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  1. I've had my first mountain bike for a couple of months and a couple of hundred miles (a Rocky
    Mountain hardtail). It has 1.95 maxxis mofo xc tires on it, and I've been considering getting 2.1
    tires. What sorts of benefits are there to slightly fatter tires? Will I end up with higher rolling
    resistance and thus slower speeds when riding on roads or trails? Does the extra rubber help a lot
    in the trails?

    I've looked at many of the reviews on mtbr.com, and for my 185 lb. weight, two tires look good to
    me: the Geax Sturdy and the IRC Serac. Any thoughts on these tires? Both use the same tire for the
    front and back, unlike my mofos which have different front and back designs. Is there a benefit with
    different front and backs?

    Thanks for any help.

    Mark [email hidden]

  2. "Mark J. Rosen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    I've had my first mountain bike for a couple of months and a couple of hundred miles (a Rocky
    Mountain hardtail). It has 1.95 maxxis mofo xc tires on it, and I've been considering getting 2.1
    tires. What sorts of benefits are there to slightly fatter tires? Will I end up with higher
    rolling resistance and thus slower speeds when riding on roads or trails? Does the extra rubber
    help a lot in the trails?

    I've looked at many of the reviews on mtbr.com, and for my 185 lb. weight, two tires look good to
    me: the Geax Sturdy and the IRC Serac. Any thoughts on these tires? Both use the same tire for the
    front and back, unlike my mofos which have different front and back designs. Is there a benefit
    with different front and backs?

    Thanks for any help.

    Mark [email hidden]

    Ah yes, the infamous tire discussion. May I suggest a dejanews search, the topic has been discussed
    many times.

    - CA-G

    Can-Am Girls Kick Ass!

  3. Sorry, Carla, if it seems that I failed to do a quick deja search. I did, but didn't find any
    discussion of the different effects of the size of the tires, i.e., 1.95 vs. 2.1 vs. 2.3 etc.

    Mark

    "Carla A-G" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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    Ah yes, the infamous tire discussion. May I suggest a dejanews search, the

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    topic has been discussed many times.

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    - CA-G

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    Can-Am Girls Kick Ass!

  4. "Mark J. Rosen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    I've had my first mountain bike for a couple of months and a couple of hundred miles (a Rocky
    Mountain hardtail). It has 1.95 maxxis mofo xc tires on it, and I've been considering getting 2.1
    tires. What sorts of benefits are there to slightly fatter tires? Will I end up with higher
    rolling resistance and thus slower speeds when riding on roads or trails? Does the extra rubber
    help a lot in the trails?

    I've looked at many of the reviews on mtbr.com, and for my 185 lb. weight, two tires look good to
    me: the Geax Sturdy and the IRC Serac. Any thoughts on these tires? Both use the same tire for the
    front and back, unlike my mofos which have different front and back designs. Is there a benefit
    with different front and backs?

    Thanks for any help.

    Mark [email hidden]

    Mark: All things being equal - namely inflation pressure and tire construction (sidewall/rubber
    stiffness, rubber compound, casing thickness) - a fatter tire will roll slower, grip better, and
    provide more cush than a narrow one. So, an IRC Mythos K Redwall in 1.85 will be faster/less
    plush/breakout easier than an IRC Mythos K Redwall 2.1 (assuming both of those tires exist, but you
    get the idea). Now, when you start changing brands/models/thicknesses, all rules go to [censored]. There
    are too many variables.

    Some very general rules of thumb: If you want to new tires for more traction, go fatter. If you want
    to go faster on your local trails, find out where you have problems with your current tires, then
    ask us about what we've found works well in your specific problem areas. If you want to go slower on
    trails, go sit in the corner.

    The IRC Serac, while the same tire front and rear, is mounted "backwards" on the rear so you get a
    different style of tread making contact in back as you do up front. Lots and lots and lots of
    tires do this.

    FWIW, I run IRC Serac 2.1 (tubeless) on every bike I ride off pavement. I find they're very fast,
    very smooth, grip awesome in everything but swampmud, and when they do get all swampmuddy, they shed
    [censored] fast. Of course, I ride on usually hard, kind of rocky, every-now-and-then-a-water-crossing
    trails in Maryland. If you're in, say, Moab, my tire advice means nothing. But for me, it's my
    perfect tire. As of yet.

    I'm also 185(ish), if that means anything.

    The best way to learn about tires is to (drumroll) try them out. Buy a few pairs (scandalous! The
    money involved!) and find out what works. Give the ones you don't want to friends, neighbors, a-mb
    posters, Ebay, etc.

    Chris

  5. Thanks, Chris, for all the help. I live in the western suburbs of Philadelphia, so I think the
    terrain we ride is probably pretty similar. I'm looking to go a little bit fatter than 1.95 to get a
    bit more grip, but I was concerned about having it slow me down too much. Sounds like the Seracs are
    worth a try. Any good place to get them at less than full retail?

    Mark

  6. "Mark J. Rosen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Thanks, Chris, for all the help. I live in the western suburbs of Philadelphia, so I think the
    terrain we ride is probably pretty similar. I'm looking to go a little bit fatter than 1.95 to get
    a bit more grip,


    but

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    I was concerned about having it slow me down too much. Sounds like the Seracs are worth a try. Any
    good place to get them at less than full retail?

    Mark

    Heh. I just sent a free pair to Penny...if she doesn't like 'em, maybe she can pass 'em on.

    They're really popular, so don't expect to see them clearanced anywhere. My UST pair was about $65,
    and that was with my LBS employee discount. Tube-requireds should be, I don't know, like $30-35
    each retail?

    I am STRONGLY in support of LBS shopping, so check around your town first (I know there is a pretty
    cool shop right near the Convention Center in Philly...see what they'd want for them. Since they're
    a Fisher dealer, there's even the chance they have a pair lying around that someone pulled off a
    new Sugar). If you must go online shopping, there are only three good sites IMO: Cambria, where the
    2.1s are on sale for $19 each, Jenson, who doesn't carry them, and Pricepoint, where the tires are
    $54 a pair.

    Christmas is coming; if that's your kind of thing, then treat yourself.

    Here's the Cambria link...if you must: cambriabike.comindex.htm

    Enjoy, and post a report if you pick 'em up.

    Chris

  7. Chris murmured while asleep:

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    "Mark J. Rosen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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    Thanks, Chris, for all the help. I live in the western suburbs of Philadelphia, so I think the
    terrain we ride is probably pretty similar. I'm looking to go a little bit fatter than 1.95 to
    get a bit more grip, but I was concerned about having it slow me down too much. Sounds like the
    Seracs are worth a try. Any good place to get them at less than full retail?

    Mark

    Heh. I just sent a free pair to Penny...if she doesn't like 'em, maybe she can pass 'em on.

    unlikely.. I've had a few rides on them and so far, I like 'em just fine.

  8. "Penny S" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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    Chris murmured while asleep:

    Quoted message said:

    "Mark J. Rosen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Thanks, Chris, for all the help. I live in the western suburbs of Philadelphia, so I think the
    terrain we ride is probably pretty similar. I'm looking to go a little bit fatter than 1.95 to
    get a bit more grip, but I was concerned about having it slow me down too much. Sounds like the
    Seracs are worth a try. Any good place to get them at less than full retail?

    Mark

    Heh. I just sent a free pair to Penny...if she doesn't like 'em, maybe she can pass 'em on.

    unlikely.. I've had a few rides on them and so far, I like 'em just fine.

    Sweet. Glad to hear it.

    Suck it up and crack open the wallet, Mark 🙂

    Chris

  9. OK, OK. 🙂

    I'm happy to pay for them. Is there any difference between the red walled ones and the black walled
    ones? I'll be using them with tubes, but I know I saw something during my googling about staying
    away from certain black walled tires, so I think that was the Korean made panaracer fires rather
    than the seracs. If the black walled ones are fine, I'll go get 'em at Cambria for $19 a tire. I've
    checked all my local shops and no one has them.

    Mark

    "Chris" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Penny S" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Chris murmured while asleep:

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    "Mark J. Rosen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    > Thanks, Chris, for all the help. I live in the western suburbs of Philadelphia, so I think
    > the terrain we ride is probably pretty similar. I'm looking to go a little bit fatter than
    > 1.95 to get a bit more grip, but I was concerned about having it slow me down too much.
    > Sounds like the Seracs are worth a try. Any good place to get them at less than full retail?
    >
    > Mark
    >

    Heh. I just sent a free pair to Penny...if she doesn't like 'em, maybe she can pass 'em on.

    unlikely.. I've had a few rides on them and so far, I like 'em just


    fine.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    Sweet. Glad to hear it.

    Suck it up and crack open the wallet, Mark 🙂

    Chris

  10. "Mark J. Rosen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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    OK, OK. 🙂

    I'm happy to pay for them. Is there any difference between the red walled ones and the black
    walled ones? I'll be using them with tubes, but I know


    I

    Quoted message said:

    saw something during my googling about staying away from certain black walled tires, so I
    think that was the Korean made panaracer fires rather than the seracs. If the black walled
    ones are fine, I'll go get 'em at Cambria for $19 a tire. I've checked all my local shops and
    no one has them.

    Mark

    I know there is a preference for Redwall IRC Mythos tires, so I would _assume_ with no first hand
    experience the Redwall Seracs would share whatever magic the Mythos' did.

    FWIW, I've never ridden Redwalls - as I understand it, the big difference in between Jap and Korean
    models...I think. Whatever. The USTs are blackwall, my earlier tubed Seracs were blackwalls, and
    I've never had tire life or any other problems.

    Christ, I should get a freaking royalty check from IRC. I don't work for them or anything...or do I?

    Chris

  11. Chris said:
    Quoted message said:

    saw something during my googling about staying away from certain black walled tires, so I
    think that was the Korean made panaracer fires rather than the seracs. If the black walled
    ones are fine, I'll go get 'em at Cambria for $19 a tire. I've checked all my local shops and
    no one has them.

    I know there is a preference for Redwall IRC Mythos tires, so I would _assume_ with no first hand
    experience the Redwall Seracs would share whatever magic the Mythos' did.

    I had a feeling it was because the red wall Mythos' were the ones made in Japan with the higher tpi.
    I don't know if the same is true for the Seracs.

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  12. "bomba" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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    On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 02:39:53 +0000, Chris wrote:

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    I had a feeling it was because the red wall Mythos' were the ones made in Japan with the higher
    tpi. I don't know if the same is true for the Seracs.

    That sounds about what everyone was saying...all my blackwall Seracs have been Japanese, if that
    means a damn thing.

    Chris

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