Fat-Fast

According to my fitday records, the lowest I ate per day was 900 calories
and the highest was 1500 calories. Most days I barely ate 1100 calories on
induction foods.

True, in the fat fast I'm eating 1000-1050 calories a day, but that's what,
50-100 calories less than I was eating? Obviously the calories are not the
trigger, but the fat.

If you eat 90% fat, your body is forced to burn the fat on your body. You
can read this in Dr. Atkins book. The fat fast is not even Dr. Atkins work,
but someone elses. Your body is forced into Lipolysis and Ketosis. Your body
burns 1) carbs 2) protein 3) fat. Atkins works by restricting #1. The
fat-fast works by restricting #1 and #2, leaving your body to HAVE TO burn
the fat. I've just proved it in 4 days where I lost 5 lbs, whereas on
induction levels I lost 2 lbs per week for the past 2 weeks. You still doubt
it?

"Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

[email hidden] wrote:
:: Exactly. Buying the Atkins book has helped me tremendously. Well,
:: actually, reading it has. Once you understand that your body burns
:: carbs before fat, you're 90% there. There's a section in the book
:: for people having a hard time losing weight even on the suggested
:: Atkins diet/people on a plateau. I read it, and it made sense. If
:: I'm restricting my carb intake and also lower my protein by eating
:: 75-90% carbs, the body has no choice but to burn the fat.

What?

::
:: So, the mad scientist that I am, I decided to try the fat-fast for
:: the recommended 5 days before going back to induction level carbs. I
:: had solid weight loss on induction, around 2 lbs a week after 3
:: weeks of hovering around 162, but I wanted to try it anyway.
::
:: And what can I say, i'm amazed. 1,000 calories a day, 75% to 90% of
:: which is fat. In two days I went from 158 to 155. 2 days later I'm
:: at 153. My waist is down nearly an inch. For some reason I'm not
:: very hungry at all. Even on my Atkins induction diet, I was only
:: eating 1200-1500 calories a day.

???

so, you switched to 1000 kcals/ day of almost all fat...and you lost
weight. But prior you were eating more kcals.

For all you know, you had lost some of that weight prior to starting the
fat fast....sometimes weight loss happens after you would have expected
it. This proves nothing.

::
:: Simply put, the fat-fast works and it's true that while eating more
:: substantially more fat, you will lose weight, primarily fat.

Geuses, you're so unthinking it's funny. You only ate 1000 kcal / day for
5 days. There's no magic there. You simply eat a greater precentage of
fat than anything else. But if you really believe that you can eat
unlimited amounts of fat and lose weight, when don't you just up your
calories to about 4000 / day and see what happens. If you do that, since
you're eating more fat, you should lose more weight, right?

I'm not
:: going to stay on it after today, because 5 days is enough, I'm happy
:: with my regular weight loss on induction, and I want to resume
:: weight-training. The diet is not that enjoyable either, but then
:: again Atkins advises to only do the fat-fast for 4-5 days tops.
::
:: FYI, I was on a 1200 calorie diet before I tried Atkins again. I ate
:: 1 or 2 baked potatoes a day as well as other foods but kept my
:: calories down to 1200. In two weeks I went from 172 to 172. :-)
:: <[email hidden]> wrote in message
:: news:[email hidden]...
:::
::: Roger Zoul wrote:
:::: [email hidden] wrote:
:::::: After 6 weeks on Atkins (induction levels) I've gone from 172 to
:::::: 153 lbs.
::::::
:::::: Since Thursday I've been doing the fat-fast as well as walking 3
:::::: miles a day. Basically I have 2 oz of cream cheese, salad,
:::::: macademia nuts, and egg yolks. Since Thursday I've gone from 158
:::::: to 153. Not the most fun "diet" but it helped me break my
:::::: plateau (I was hanging around 160 for several weeks). Isn't it
:::::: amazing, that the more fat you eat compared to carbs, the MORE
:::::: fat you lose?
::::
:::: If you eat enough fat, you won't lose weight.
:::
::: Do you understand what you just did?
:::
::: You've just been told that this person ate a very high fat diet for
::: a period of time and lost weight. You respond by saying that if
::: they eat enough fat they won't lose weight.
:::
::: The fact that they succeeded in losing weight by eating a very high
::: fat diet for a period of time cannot be negated simply because you
::: will it so or because of your opinionated "logic".
:::
::: You cannot negate a fact just because you think it ought to be.
:::
::: The very fact that they lost weight on a very high fat diet should
::: make it clear to you that dietary fat does NOT EQUATE to fat gain
::: simply because you think it ought to.
:::
::: Time to rethink your beliefs. Fat does not make fat. Carbs do.
:::
::: TC
:::
::::
::::::
:::::: In six weeks:
::::::
:::::: Weight: 172 lbs to 153 lbs
:::::: Waist: 37.5" to just under 35"
::::::
:::::: I'm going to get off the fat-fast on Monday because I really
:::::: want to continue my weight-training.

Eat this for five straight days

Breakfast:

4 egg yolks (hard-boiled) with 2 tablespoons of mayo
2 oz cream cheese
(600 calories)

Lunch:

24 macademia nuts
(400 calories)

Dinner

4 oz cream cheese
(400 calories)

Other
3.5 oz of tunafish with 1 tbsp mayo
(200 calories)

2 oz of carb options peanut butter
(350 calories)

Yum yum! It's hard to even come up with enough foods on the fat-fast to
equal 2000 calories. There's no variety and there are no real meals. Good
luck, & report back.

"Angie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

<[email hidden]> wrote in message

Quoted message said:

Someone should go on a 2,000 calorie, 90% fat diet and see what happens.

Can you mock up a quick daily menu based on that, and I'll try it.

I'm serious. Someone post an example of a daily menu that is 2,000
calories and 90% fat and I will try it and report back the results.

Induction is also very low calorie.

I ate a low calorie, high carb diet and didn't lose a pound in two weeks.

I ate a low calories, low carb diet and lost 10 lbs during induction.

Surely, all calories are not the same.

"FOB" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Well, those foods are not just fat. Macadamia nuts are 89% fat, 3% carbs
(2
of those are fiber), and 4% protein. Cream cheese is 88% fat, 3% carbs
(no
fiber) and 9% protein. So, although it is a fat fast, it is not
completely
fat. So everyone who is discussing whether it is okay to eat nothing but
fat longterm is not talking about eating this type of food. They must be
discussing the olive oil drinkers diet. If you eat 2000 calories worth of
cream cheese you will get 15 g carb and 43 g protein along with the fat,
2000 calories of macadamia nuts gives 13 net carbs, 26 fiber, and 20
protein.

The fat fast is also very low calorie.

In news:[email hidden],
[email hidden] <[email hidden]> stated
| Exactly. And the fact you never really have a meal of any sort,
| unless you count 2 oz of cream cheese as a meal. :-) Or 12 macadamia
| nuts.
|
| Just a suggestion for those that want to test it for themselves. Do
| it for 4 days, then post back.
|
| Really though, the Atkins diet is outstanding. Why the media and
| people are blind to the fact, I'll never know. 172 to 153 in six
| weeks and healhier than ever, never hungry and eating foods I love
| like steak every day. Ribs! Grilled chicken! Salad! All while cutting
| my soda habit and never even white bread or white rice again. Gotta
| love it.
|
| "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
| news:[email hidden]...
|| In article <[email hidden]>,
|| "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote:
||
||| [email hidden] wrote:
||||| And...
|||||
||||| Any change in direction regarding fat to protein makes a huge
||||| difference. If you cut out some protein you normally eat while on
||||| Atkins, and eat more fat, the weight will come off faster.
|||
||| Well, don't go overboard with this. If Atkins really thought that
||| just eating fat was the secret to weight loss, don't you think he
||| would have just
||| said "eat only fat?"
||
|| IIRC Atkins recommended the fat fast go no longer than a week due to
|| the shortage of essential amino acids.
|| --
|| Peace!
|| Om
||
|| "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a [censored]"
|| -- Jack Nicholson

The fat-fast requires 75 to 90% of your calories come from fat, so of course
it is not 100% fat.

The highest I've had was 92% one day, lowest was 75%.

"FOB" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Well, those foods are not just fat. Macadamia nuts are 89% fat, 3% carbs
(2
of those are fiber), and 4% protein. Cream cheese is 88% fat, 3% carbs
(no
fiber) and 9% protein. So, although it is a fat fast, it is not
completely
fat. So everyone who is discussing whether it is okay to eat nothing but
fat longterm is not talking about eating this type of food. They must be
discussing the olive oil drinkers diet. If you eat 2000 calories worth of
cream cheese you will get 15 g carb and 43 g protein along with the fat,
2000 calories of macadamia nuts gives 13 net carbs, 26 fiber, and 20
protein.

The fat fast is also very low calorie.

In news:[email hidden],
[email hidden] <[email hidden]> stated
| Exactly. And the fact you never really have a meal of any sort,
| unless you count 2 oz of cream cheese as a meal. :-) Or 12 macadamia
| nuts.
|
| Just a suggestion for those that want to test it for themselves. Do
| it for 4 days, then post back.
|
| Really though, the Atkins diet is outstanding. Why the media and
| people are blind to the fact, I'll never know. 172 to 153 in six
| weeks and healhier than ever, never hungry and eating foods I love
| like steak every day. Ribs! Grilled chicken! Salad! All while cutting
| my soda habit and never even white bread or white rice again. Gotta
| love it.
|
| "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
| news:[email hidden]...
|| In article <[email hidden]>,
|| "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote:
||
||| [email hidden] wrote:
||||| And...
|||||
||||| Any change in direction regarding fat to protein makes a huge
||||| difference. If you cut out some protein you normally eat while on
||||| Atkins, and eat more fat, the weight will come off faster.
|||
||| Well, don't go overboard with this. If Atkins really thought that
||| just eating fat was the secret to weight loss, don't you think he
||| would have just
||| said "eat only fat?"
||
|| IIRC Atkins recommended the fat fast go no longer than a week due to
|| the shortage of essential amino acids.
|| --
|| Peace!
|| Om
||
|| "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a [censored]"
|| -- Jack Nicholson

[email hidden] wrote:
:: According to my fitday records, the lowest I ate per day was 900
:: calories and the highest was 1500 calories. Most days I barely ate
:: 1100 calories on induction foods.
::
:: True, in the fat fast I'm eating 1000-1050 calories a day, but
:: that's what, 50-100 calories less than I was eating? Obviously the
:: calories are not the trigger, but the fat.

If you're extremely insulin resistant, then this maybe a key for you. But
for most folks, just the sheer lack of calories is what does the trick, even
at higher carb levels. There are some small % of folks for whom nothing but
cutting carbs works.

::
:: If you eat 90% fat, your body is forced to burn the fat on your
:: body. You can read this in Dr. Atkins book. The fat fast is not even
:: Dr. Atkins work, but someone elses. Your body is forced into
:: Lipolysis and Ketosis. Your body burns 1) carbs 2) protein 3) fat.
:: Atkins works by restricting #1. The fat-fast works by restricting #1
:: and #2, leaving your body to HAVE TO burn the fat. I've just proved
:: it in 4 days where I lost 5 lbs, whereas on induction levels I lost
:: 2 lbs per week for the past 2 weeks. You still doubt it?

Doubt what? Most folks who are prediabetic lose great on Atkins...those who
are highly insulin resistant lose great too. So nothing in surprising.
However, I don't believe you lost 5 lbs of real fat in 4 days not after
being on induction first...I think you probably lost some of that weight
before while you were on induction...it's just now showing up on the scales.
Also, you're probably losing some muscle as well as fat.

::
:: "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
:: news:[email hidden]...
::: [email hidden] wrote:
::::: Exactly. Buying the Atkins book has helped me tremendously. Well,
::::: actually, reading it has. Once you understand that your body burns
::::: carbs before fat, you're 90% there. There's a section in the book
::::: for people having a hard time losing weight even on the suggested
::::: Atkins diet/people on a plateau. I read it, and it made sense. If
::::: I'm restricting my carb intake and also lower my protein by eating
::::: 75-90% carbs, the body has no choice but to burn the fat.
:::
::: What?
:::
:::::
::::: So, the mad scientist that I am, I decided to try the fat-fast for
::::: the recommended 5 days before going back to induction level
::::: carbs. I had solid weight loss on induction, around 2 lbs a week
::::: after 3 weeks of hovering around 162, but I wanted to try it
::::: anyway.
:::::
::::: And what can I say, i'm amazed. 1,000 calories a day, 75% to 90%
::::: of which is fat. In two days I went from 158 to 155. 2 days later
::::: I'm at 153. My waist is down nearly an inch. For some reason I'm
::::: not very hungry at all. Even on my Atkins induction diet, I was
::::: only eating 1200-1500 calories a day.
:::
::: ???
:::
::: so, you switched to 1000 kcals/ day of almost all fat...and you lost
::: weight. But prior you were eating more kcals.
:::
::: For all you know, you had lost some of that weight prior to
::: starting the fat fast....sometimes weight loss happens after you
::: would have expected it. This proves nothing.
:::
:::::
::::: Simply put, the fat-fast works and it's true that while eating
::::: more substantially more fat, you will lose weight, primarily fat.
:::
::: Geuses, you're so unthinking it's funny. You only ate 1000 kcal /
::: day for 5 days. There's no magic there. You simply eat a greater
::: precentage of fat than anything else. But if you really believe
::: that you can eat unlimited amounts of fat and lose weight, when
::: don't you just up your calories to about 4000 / day and see what
::: happens. If you do that, since you're eating more fat, you should
::: lose more weight, right?
:::
::: I'm not
::::: going to stay on it after today, because 5 days is enough, I'm
::::: happy with my regular weight loss on induction, and I want to
::::: resume weight-training. The diet is not that enjoyable either,
::::: but then again Atkins advises to only do the fat-fast for 4-5
::::: days tops.
:::::
::::: FYI, I was on a 1200 calorie diet before I tried Atkins again. I
::::: ate 1 or 2 baked potatoes a day as well as other foods but kept my
::::: calories down to 1200. In two weeks I went from 172 to 172. :-)
::::: <[email hidden]> wrote in message
::::: news:[email hidden]...
::::::
:::::: Roger Zoul wrote:
::::::: [email hidden] wrote:
::::::::: After 6 weeks on Atkins (induction levels) I've gone from 172
::::::::: to 153 lbs.
:::::::::
::::::::: Since Thursday I've been doing the fat-fast as well as
::::::::: walking 3 miles a day. Basically I have 2 oz of cream cheese,
::::::::: salad, macademia nuts, and egg yolks. Since Thursday I've
::::::::: gone from 158 to 153. Not the most fun "diet" but it helped
::::::::: me break my plateau (I was hanging around 160 for several
::::::::: weeks). Isn't it amazing, that the more fat you eat compared
::::::::: to carbs, the MORE fat you lose?
:::::::
::::::: If you eat enough fat, you won't lose weight.
::::::
:::::: Do you understand what you just did?
::::::
:::::: You've just been told that this person ate a very high fat diet
:::::: for a period of time and lost weight. You respond by saying that
:::::: if they eat enough fat they won't lose weight.
::::::
:::::: The fact that they succeeded in losing weight by eating a very
:::::: high fat diet for a period of time cannot be negated simply
:::::: because you will it so or because of your opinionated "logic".
::::::
:::::: You cannot negate a fact just because you think it ought to be.
::::::
:::::: The very fact that they lost weight on a very high fat diet
:::::: should make it clear to you that dietary fat does NOT EQUATE to
:::::: fat gain simply because you think it ought to.
::::::
:::::: Time to rethink your beliefs. Fat does not make fat. Carbs do.
::::::
:::::: TC
::::::
:::::::
:::::::::
::::::::: In six weeks:
:::::::::
::::::::: Weight: 172 lbs to 153 lbs
::::::::: Waist: 37.5" to just under 35"
:::::::::
::::::::: I'm going to get off the fat-fast on Monday because I really
::::::::: want to continue my weight-training.

is there an alternative you can suggest for the macademia nuts? I can't
eat nuts (peanut butter is fine tho)

also, can I swap the meals around, such as the dinner for breakfast another
day, etc? or is there a science to the layout?

<[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Eat this for five straight days

Breakfast:

4 egg yolks (hard-boiled) with 2 tablespoons of mayo
2 oz cream cheese
(600 calories)

Lunch:

24 macademia nuts
(400 calories)

Dinner

4 oz cream cheese
(400 calories)

Other
3.5 oz of tunafish with 1 tbsp mayo
(200 calories)

2 oz of carb options peanut butter
(350 calories)

Yum yum! It's hard to even come up with enough foods on the fat-fast to
equal 2000 calories. There's no variety and there are no real meals. Good
luck, & report back.

"Angie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

<[email hidden]> wrote in message
>Someone should go on a 2,000 calorie, 90% fat diet and see what happens.

Can you mock up a quick daily menu based on that, and I'll try it.

I'm serious. Someone post an example of a daily menu that is 2,000
calories and 90% fat and I will try it and report back the results.

[email hidden] wrote:
:: Induction is also very low calorie.

Not necessarily. There is no calorie limit set on induction.

::
:: I ate a low calorie, high carb diet and didn't lose a pound in two
:: weeks.
::
:: I ate a low calories, low carb diet and lost 10 lbs during induction.

A lot of that is water weight that comes due to draining glycogen from the
liver and the muscles.

::
:: Surely, all calories are not the same.
::
:: "FOB" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
:: news:[email hidden]...
::: Well, those foods are not just fat. Macadamia nuts are 89% fat, 3%
::: carbs (2
::: of those are fiber), and 4% protein. Cream cheese is 88% fat, 3%
::: carbs (no
::: fiber) and 9% protein. So, although it is a fat fast, it is not
::: completely
::: fat. So everyone who is discussing whether it is okay to eat
::: nothing but fat longterm is not talking about eating this type of
::: food. They must be discussing the olive oil drinkers diet. If you
::: eat 2000 calories worth of cream cheese you will get 15 g carb and
::: 43 g protein along with the fat, 2000 calories of macadamia nuts
::: gives 13 net carbs, 26 fiber, and 20 protein.
:::
::: The fat fast is also very low calorie.
:::
:::
::: In news:[email hidden],
::: [email hidden] <[email hidden]> stated
:::: Exactly. And the fact you never really have a meal of any sort,
:::: unless you count 2 oz of cream cheese as a meal. :-) Or 12
:::: macadamia nuts.
::::
:::: Just a suggestion for those that want to test it for themselves. Do
:::: it for 4 days, then post back.
::::
:::: Really though, the Atkins diet is outstanding. Why the media and
:::: people are blind to the fact, I'll never know. 172 to 153 in six
:::: weeks and healhier than ever, never hungry and eating foods I love
:::: like steak every day. Ribs! Grilled chicken! Salad! All while
:::: cutting my soda habit and never even white bread or white rice
:::: again. Gotta love it.
::::
:::: "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
:::: news:[email hidden]...
::::: In article <[email hidden]>,
::::: "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote:
:::::
:::::: [email hidden] wrote:
:::::::: And...
::::::::
:::::::: Any change in direction regarding fat to protein makes a huge
:::::::: difference. If you cut out some protein you normally eat while
:::::::: on Atkins, and eat more fat, the weight will come off faster.
::::::
:::::: Well, don't go overboard with this. If Atkins really thought
:::::: that just eating fat was the secret to weight loss, don't you
:::::: think he would have just
:::::: said "eat only fat?"
:::::
::::: IIRC Atkins recommended the fat fast go no longer than a week due
::::: to the shortage of essential amino acids.
::::: --
::::: Peace!
::::: Om
:::::
::::: "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a [censored]"
::::: -- Jack Nicholson

Regardless, I lost 0 with a low calorie, low fat diet. I lost 10 lbs with
the same calorie, low carb diet over the same time period. The proof is in
the numbers.

"Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

[email hidden] wrote:
:: Induction is also very low calorie.

Not necessarily. There is no calorie limit set on induction.

::
:: I ate a low calorie, high carb diet and didn't lose a pound in two
:: weeks.
::
:: I ate a low calories, low carb diet and lost 10 lbs during induction.

A lot of that is water weight that comes due to draining glycogen from the
liver and the muscles.

::
:: Surely, all calories are not the same.
::
:: "FOB" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
:: news:[email hidden]...
::: Well, those foods are not just fat. Macadamia nuts are 89% fat, 3%
::: carbs (2
::: of those are fiber), and 4% protein. Cream cheese is 88% fat, 3%
::: carbs (no
::: fiber) and 9% protein. So, although it is a fat fast, it is not
::: completely
::: fat. So everyone who is discussing whether it is okay to eat
::: nothing but fat longterm is not talking about eating this type of
::: food. They must be discussing the olive oil drinkers diet. If you
::: eat 2000 calories worth of cream cheese you will get 15 g carb and
::: 43 g protein along with the fat, 2000 calories of macadamia nuts
::: gives 13 net carbs, 26 fiber, and 20 protein.
:::
::: The fat fast is also very low calorie.
:::
:::
::: In news:[email hidden],
::: [email hidden] <[email hidden]> stated
:::: Exactly. And the fact you never really have a meal of any sort,
:::: unless you count 2 oz of cream cheese as a meal. :-) Or 12
:::: macadamia nuts.
::::
:::: Just a suggestion for those that want to test it for themselves. Do
:::: it for 4 days, then post back.
::::
:::: Really though, the Atkins diet is outstanding. Why the media and
:::: people are blind to the fact, I'll never know. 172 to 153 in six
:::: weeks and healhier than ever, never hungry and eating foods I love
:::: like steak every day. Ribs! Grilled chicken! Salad! All while
:::: cutting my soda habit and never even white bread or white rice
:::: again. Gotta love it.
::::
:::: "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
:::: news:[email hidden]...
::::: In article <[email hidden]>,
::::: "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote:
:::::
:::::: [email hidden] wrote:
:::::::: And...
::::::::
:::::::: Any change in direction regarding fat to protein makes a huge
:::::::: difference. If you cut out some protein you normally eat while
:::::::: on Atkins, and eat more fat, the weight will come off faster.
::::::
:::::: Well, don't go overboard with this. If Atkins really thought
:::::: that just eating fat was the secret to weight loss, don't you
:::::: think he would have just
:::::: said "eat only fat?"
:::::
::::: IIRC Atkins recommended the fat fast go no longer than a week due
::::: to the shortage of essential amino acids.
::::: --
::::: Peace!
::::: Om
:::::
::::: "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a [censored]"
::::: -- Jack Nicholson

Yeah eat the meals at any time, in any combination. You can skip the nuts
and just eat more of something else. You can eat just cream cheese, egg
yolks and peanut butter. Don't forget a veggie salad to get you through the
times where you're feeling a bit sluggish. See how much you lose. My fast is
ending tomorrow and I'm going to eat scrambled eggs, sausage, and a 9 oz NY
strip steak. :-)

"Angie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

is there an alternative you can suggest for the macademia nuts? I can't
eat nuts (peanut butter is fine tho)

also, can I swap the meals around, such as the dinner for breakfast
another day, etc? or is there a science to the layout?

<[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Eat this for five straight days

Breakfast:

4 egg yolks (hard-boiled) with 2 tablespoons of mayo
2 oz cream cheese
(600 calories)

Lunch:

24 macademia nuts
(400 calories)

Dinner

4 oz cream cheese
(400 calories)

Other
3.5 oz of tunafish with 1 tbsp mayo
(200 calories)

2 oz of carb options peanut butter
(350 calories)

Yum yum! It's hard to even come up with enough foods on the fat-fast to
equal 2000 calories. There's no variety and there are no real meals. Good
luck, & report back.

"Angie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

> <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>>Someone should go on a 2,000 calorie, 90% fat diet and see what
>>happens.
>
>
> Can you mock up a quick daily menu based on that, and I'll try it.

I'm serious. Someone post an example of a daily menu that is 2,000
calories and 90% fat and I will try it and report back the results.

In article said:

Eat this for five straight days

Breakfast:

4 egg yolks (hard-boiled) with 2 tablespoons of mayo
2 oz cream cheese
(600 calories)

Hah, ok I'm stopping right there, I know I couldn't do this. I feel a
bit ill just thinking of eating that much at one sitting.

[email hidden] wrote:
:: Regardless, I lost 0 with a low calorie, low fat diet. I lost 10 lbs
:: with the same calorie, low carb diet over the same time period. The
:: proof is in the numbers.

Is it really?

::
:: "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
:: news:[email hidden]...
::: [email hidden] wrote:
::::: Induction is also very low calorie.
:::
::: Not necessarily. There is no calorie limit set on induction.
:::
:::::
::::: I ate a low calorie, high carb diet and didn't lose a pound in two
::::: weeks.
:::::
::::: I ate a low calories, low carb diet and lost 10 lbs during
::::: induction.
:::
::: A lot of that is water weight that comes due to draining glycogen
::: from the liver and the muscles.
:::
:::::
::::: Surely, all calories are not the same.
:::::
::::: "FOB" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
::::: news:[email hidden]...
:::::: Well, those foods are not just fat. Macadamia nuts are 89% fat,
:::::: 3% carbs (2
:::::: of those are fiber), and 4% protein. Cream cheese is 88% fat,
:::::: 3% carbs (no
:::::: fiber) and 9% protein. So, although it is a fat fast, it is not
:::::: completely
:::::: fat. So everyone who is discussing whether it is okay to eat
:::::: nothing but fat longterm is not talking about eating this type of
:::::: food. They must be discussing the olive oil drinkers diet. If
:::::: you eat 2000 calories worth of cream cheese you will get 15 g
:::::: carb and 43 g protein along with the fat, 2000 calories of
:::::: macadamia nuts gives 13 net carbs, 26 fiber, and 20 protein.
::::::
:::::: The fat fast is also very low calorie.
::::::
::::::
:::::: In news:[email hidden],
:::::: [email hidden] <[email hidden]> stated
::::::: Exactly. And the fact you never really have a meal of any sort,
::::::: unless you count 2 oz of cream cheese as a meal. :-) Or 12
::::::: macadamia nuts.
:::::::
::::::: Just a suggestion for those that want to test it for
::::::: themselves. Do it for 4 days, then post back.
:::::::
::::::: Really though, the Atkins diet is outstanding. Why the media and
::::::: people are blind to the fact, I'll never know. 172 to 153 in six
::::::: weeks and healhier than ever, never hungry and eating foods I
::::::: love like steak every day. Ribs! Grilled chicken! Salad! All
::::::: while cutting my soda habit and never even white bread or white
::::::: rice again. Gotta love it.
:::::::
::::::: "OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
::::::: news:[email hidden]...
:::::::: In article <[email hidden]>,
:::::::: "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote:
::::::::
::::::::: [email hidden] wrote:
::::::::::: And...
:::::::::::
::::::::::: Any change in direction regarding fat to protein makes a
::::::::::: huge difference. If you cut out some protein you normally
::::::::::: eat while on Atkins, and eat more fat, the weight will come
::::::::::: off faster.
:::::::::
::::::::: Well, don't go overboard with this. If Atkins really thought
::::::::: that just eating fat was the secret to weight loss, don't you
::::::::: think he would have just
::::::::: said "eat only fat?"
::::::::
:::::::: IIRC Atkins recommended the fat fast go no longer than a week
:::::::: due to the shortage of essential amino acids.
:::::::: --
:::::::: Peace!
:::::::: Om
::::::::
:::::::: "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a [censored]"
:::::::: -- Jack Nicholson

Luna wrote:
:: In article <[email hidden]>, <[email hidden]>
:: wrote:
::
::: Eat this for five straight days
:::
::: Breakfast:
:::
::: 4 egg yolks (hard-boiled) with 2 tablespoons of mayo
::: 2 oz cream cheese
::: (600 calories)
::
:: Hah, ok I'm stopping right there, I know I couldn't do this. I feel
:: a bit ill just thinking of eating that much at one sitting.

Split it up into 3 parts and stand between eating each.

I never realized how low calorie (my) atkins is. I just started using
Fitday (which I
had used before but never really paid attention to.) The carbs aren't
really accurate
on Fitday because they don't do net carbs (you have to do it yourself
via the custom
window); but on Fitday, I did notice that I rarely even have a 1000
calorie day. In
fact, yesterday I had had wasa, cream cheese, chicken, suisse mocha (2
carbs!!!), olives, soy
milk (soy slender), blue cheese, all bran with fiber--and barely topped
600 calories. I
was looking at nutritional needs--and finally broke down and took a vitamin.

Though, to be honest, I'm a female, not quite five feet tall--and I
really really don't
eat that much--at least now that I'm watching carbs. Without bread,
pasta, potatoes,
flour, sugar and cokes...I find it takes very little food to satisfy
me. Of course, I did
have a major trauma get me started back to low carbing. And really, I
was at the
fattest of my life, too, when this whole thing started. I am just
about at the point
where I was in 2002-3 when I used to come here all of the time.

I'm Allie by the way. I think my old address was bookally. Hi to anyone who
remembers me. Some of the same people are still here--i remember
Saffire (waves!)

Allie, aka Dusty

"If you're extremely insulin resistant, then this maybe a key for you. But
for most folks, just the sheer lack of calories is what does the trick, even
at higher carb levels. There are some small % of folks for whom nothing but
cutting carbs works."

I disagree completely. Please show some research or a back-up for this. I'd
dying to hear this...

"Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

[email hidden] wrote:
:: According to my fitday records, the lowest I ate per day was 900
:: calories and the highest was 1500 calories. Most days I barely ate
:: 1100 calories on induction foods.
::
:: True, in the fat fast I'm eating 1000-1050 calories a day, but
:: that's what, 50-100 calories less than I was eating? Obviously the
:: calories are not the trigger, but the fat.

If you're extremely insulin resistant, then this maybe a key for you.
But for most folks, just the sheer lack of calories is what does the
trick, even at higher carb levels. There are some small % of folks for
whom nothing but cutting carbs works.

::
:: If you eat 90% fat, your body is forced to burn the fat on your
:: body. You can read this in Dr. Atkins book. The fat fast is not even
:: Dr. Atkins work, but someone elses. Your body is forced into
:: Lipolysis and Ketosis. Your body burns 1) carbs 2) protein 3) fat.
:: Atkins works by restricting #1. The fat-fast works by restricting #1
:: and #2, leaving your body to HAVE TO burn the fat. I've just proved
:: it in 4 days where I lost 5 lbs, whereas on induction levels I lost
:: 2 lbs per week for the past 2 weeks. You still doubt it?

Doubt what? Most folks who are prediabetic lose great on Atkins...those
who are highly insulin resistant lose great too. So nothing in
surprising. However, I don't believe you lost 5 lbs of real fat in 4 days
not after being on induction first...I think you probably lost some of
that weight before while you were on induction...it's just now showing up
on the scales. Also, you're probably losing some muscle as well as fat.

::
:: "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
:: news:[email hidden]...
::: [email hidden] wrote:
::::: Exactly. Buying the Atkins book has helped me tremendously. Well,
::::: actually, reading it has. Once you understand that your body burns
::::: carbs before fat, you're 90% there. There's a section in the book
::::: for people having a hard time losing weight even on the suggested
::::: Atkins diet/people on a plateau. I read it, and it made sense. If
::::: I'm restricting my carb intake and also lower my protein by eating
::::: 75-90% carbs, the body has no choice but to burn the fat.
:::
::: What?
:::
:::::
::::: So, the mad scientist that I am, I decided to try the fat-fast for
::::: the recommended 5 days before going back to induction level
::::: carbs. I had solid weight loss on induction, around 2 lbs a week
::::: after 3 weeks of hovering around 162, but I wanted to try it
::::: anyway.
:::::
::::: And what can I say, i'm amazed. 1,000 calories a day, 75% to 90%
::::: of which is fat. In two days I went from 158 to 155. 2 days later
::::: I'm at 153. My waist is down nearly an inch. For some reason I'm
::::: not very hungry at all. Even on my Atkins induction diet, I was
::::: only eating 1200-1500 calories a day.
:::
::: ???
:::
::: so, you switched to 1000 kcals/ day of almost all fat...and you lost
::: weight. But prior you were eating more kcals.
:::
::: For all you know, you had lost some of that weight prior to
::: starting the fat fast....sometimes weight loss happens after you
::: would have expected it. This proves nothing.
:::
:::::
::::: Simply put, the fat-fast works and it's true that while eating
::::: more substantially more fat, you will lose weight, primarily fat.
:::
::: Geuses, you're so unthinking it's funny. You only ate 1000 kcal /
::: day for 5 days. There's no magic there. You simply eat a greater
::: precentage of fat than anything else. But if you really believe
::: that you can eat unlimited amounts of fat and lose weight, when
::: don't you just up your calories to about 4000 / day and see what
::: happens. If you do that, since you're eating more fat, you should
::: lose more weight, right?
:::
::: I'm not
::::: going to stay on it after today, because 5 days is enough, I'm
::::: happy with my regular weight loss on induction, and I want to
::::: resume weight-training. The diet is not that enjoyable either,
::::: but then again Atkins advises to only do the fat-fast for 4-5
::::: days tops.
:::::
::::: FYI, I was on a 1200 calorie diet before I tried Atkins again. I
::::: ate 1 or 2 baked potatoes a day as well as other foods but kept my
::::: calories down to 1200. In two weeks I went from 172 to 172. :-)
::::: <[email hidden]> wrote in message
::::: news:[email hidden]...
::::::
:::::: Roger Zoul wrote:
::::::: [email hidden] wrote:
::::::::: After 6 weeks on Atkins (induction levels) I've gone from 172
::::::::: to 153 lbs.
:::::::::
::::::::: Since Thursday I've been doing the fat-fast as well as
::::::::: walking 3 miles a day. Basically I have 2 oz of cream cheese,
::::::::: salad, macademia nuts, and egg yolks. Since Thursday I've
::::::::: gone from 158 to 153. Not the most fun "diet" but it helped
::::::::: me break my plateau (I was hanging around 160 for several
::::::::: weeks). Isn't it amazing, that the more fat you eat compared
::::::::: to carbs, the MORE fat you lose?
:::::::
::::::: If you eat enough fat, you won't lose weight.
::::::
:::::: Do you understand what you just did?
::::::
:::::: You've just been told that this person ate a very high fat diet
:::::: for a period of time and lost weight. You respond by saying that
:::::: if they eat enough fat they won't lose weight.
::::::
:::::: The fact that they succeeded in losing weight by eating a very
:::::: high fat diet for a period of time cannot be negated simply
:::::: because you will it so or because of your opinionated "logic".
::::::
:::::: You cannot negate a fact just because you think it ought to be.
::::::
:::::: The very fact that they lost weight on a very high fat diet
:::::: should make it clear to you that dietary fat does NOT EQUATE to
:::::: fat gain simply because you think it ought to.
::::::
:::::: Time to rethink your beliefs. Fat does not make fat. Carbs do.
::::::
:::::: TC
::::::
:::::::
:::::::::
::::::::: In six weeks:
:::::::::
::::::::: Weight: 172 lbs to 153 lbs
::::::::: Waist: 37.5" to just under 35"
:::::::::
::::::::: I'm going to get off the fat-fast on Monday because I really
::::::::: want to continue my weight-training.

You can not believe all you want. I lost 1" off of my waist and 5 lbs in 4
days. Of course it's not 100% fat, but the proof is there. If you don't eat
carbs, and limit your protein, your body has no choice but to burn fat. You
obviously haven't read the book or looked at any research.

"Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

[email hidden] wrote:
:: According to my fitday records, the lowest I ate per day was 900
:: calories and the highest was 1500 calories. Most days I barely ate
:: 1100 calories on induction foods.
::
:: True, in the fat fast I'm eating 1000-1050 calories a day, but
:: that's what, 50-100 calories less than I was eating? Obviously the
:: calories are not the trigger, but the fat.

If you're extremely insulin resistant, then this maybe a key for you.
But for most folks, just the sheer lack of calories is what does the
trick, even at higher carb levels. There are some small % of folks for
whom nothing but cutting carbs works.

::
:: If you eat 90% fat, your body is forced to burn the fat on your
:: body. You can read this in Dr. Atkins book. The fat fast is not even
:: Dr. Atkins work, but someone elses. Your body is forced into
:: Lipolysis and Ketosis. Your body burns 1) carbs 2) protein 3) fat.
:: Atkins works by restricting #1. The fat-fast works by restricting #1
:: and #2, leaving your body to HAVE TO burn the fat. I've just proved
:: it in 4 days where I lost 5 lbs, whereas on induction levels I lost
:: 2 lbs per week for the past 2 weeks. You still doubt it?

Doubt what? Most folks who are prediabetic lose great on Atkins...those
who are highly insulin resistant lose great too. So nothing in
surprising. However, I don't believe you lost 5 lbs of real fat in 4 days
not after being on induction first...I think you probably lost some of
that weight before while you were on induction...it's just now showing up
on the scales. Also, you're probably losing some muscle as well as fat.

::
:: "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
:: news:[email hidden]...
::: [email hidden] wrote:
::::: Exactly. Buying the Atkins book has helped me tremendously. Well,
::::: actually, reading it has. Once you understand that your body burns
::::: carbs before fat, you're 90% there. There's a section in the book
::::: for people having a hard time losing weight even on the suggested
::::: Atkins diet/people on a plateau. I read it, and it made sense. If
::::: I'm restricting my carb intake and also lower my protein by eating
::::: 75-90% carbs, the body has no choice but to burn the fat.
:::
::: What?
:::
:::::
::::: So, the mad scientist that I am, I decided to try the fat-fast for
::::: the recommended 5 days before going back to induction level
::::: carbs. I had solid weight loss on induction, around 2 lbs a week
::::: after 3 weeks of hovering around 162, but I wanted to try it
::::: anyway.
:::::
::::: And what can I say, i'm amazed. 1,000 calories a day, 75% to 90%
::::: of which is fat. In two days I went from 158 to 155. 2 days later
::::: I'm at 153. My waist is down nearly an inch. For some reason I'm
::::: not very hungry at all. Even on my Atkins induction diet, I was
::::: only eating 1200-1500 calories a day.
:::
::: ???
:::
::: so, you switched to 1000 kcals/ day of almost all fat...and you lost
::: weight. But prior you were eating more kcals.
:::
::: For all you know, you had lost some of that weight prior to
::: starting the fat fast....sometimes weight loss happens after you
::: would have expected it. This proves nothing.
:::
:::::
::::: Simply put, the fat-fast works and it's true that while eating
::::: more substantially more fat, you will lose weight, primarily fat.
:::
::: Geuses, you're so unthinking it's funny. You only ate 1000 kcal /
::: day for 5 days. There's no magic there. You simply eat a greater
::: precentage of fat than anything else. But if you really believe
::: that you can eat unlimited amounts of fat and lose weight, when
::: don't you just up your calories to about 4000 / day and see what
::: happens. If you do that, since you're eating more fat, you should
::: lose more weight, right?
:::
::: I'm not
::::: going to stay on it after today, because 5 days is enough, I'm
::::: happy with my regular weight loss on induction, and I want to
::::: resume weight-training. The diet is not that enjoyable either,
::::: but then again Atkins advises to only do the fat-fast for 4-5
::::: days tops.
:::::
::::: FYI, I was on a 1200 calorie diet before I tried Atkins again. I
::::: ate 1 or 2 baked potatoes a day as well as other foods but kept my
::::: calories down to 1200. In two weeks I went from 172 to 172. :-)
::::: <[email hidden]> wrote in message
::::: news:[email hidden]...
::::::
:::::: Roger Zoul wrote:
::::::: [email hidden] wrote:
::::::::: After 6 weeks on Atkins (induction levels) I've gone from 172
::::::::: to 153 lbs.
:::::::::
::::::::: Since Thursday I've been doing the fat-fast as well as
::::::::: walking 3 miles a day. Basically I have 2 oz of cream cheese,
::::::::: salad, macademia nuts, and egg yolks. Since Thursday I've
::::::::: gone from 158 to 153. Not the most fun "diet" but it helped
::::::::: me break my plateau (I was hanging around 160 for several
::::::::: weeks). Isn't it amazing, that the more fat you eat compared
::::::::: to carbs, the MORE fat you lose?
:::::::
::::::: If you eat enough fat, you won't lose weight.
::::::
:::::: Do you understand what you just did?
::::::
:::::: You've just been told that this person ate a very high fat diet
:::::: for a period of time and lost weight. You respond by saying that
:::::: if they eat enough fat they won't lose weight.
::::::
:::::: The fact that they succeeded in losing weight by eating a very
:::::: high fat diet for a period of time cannot be negated simply
:::::: because you will it so or because of your opinionated "logic".
::::::
:::::: You cannot negate a fact just because you think it ought to be.
::::::
:::::: The very fact that they lost weight on a very high fat diet
:::::: should make it clear to you that dietary fat does NOT EQUATE to
:::::: fat gain simply because you think it ought to.
::::::
:::::: Time to rethink your beliefs. Fat does not make fat. Carbs do.
::::::
:::::: TC
::::::
:::::::
:::::::::
::::::::: In six weeks:
:::::::::
::::::::: Weight: 172 lbs to 153 lbs
::::::::: Waist: 37.5" to just under 35"
:::::::::
::::::::: I'm going to get off the fat-fast on Monday because I really
::::::::: want to continue my weight-training.

:-)

I've done it for almost 5 days. Try it, you'll love it! :-)

Eat fat to lose fat. Simple & plain.

"Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

In article said:

Eat this for five straight days

Breakfast:

4 egg yolks (hard-boiled) with 2 tablespoons of mayo
2 oz cream cheese
(600 calories)

Hah, ok I'm stopping right there, I know I couldn't do this. I feel a
bit ill just thinking of eating that much at one sitting.

Just be careful... Eating a diet high in fat (with low or no protein)
ultimately leads to muscle breakdown (since your body needs protein,
and the only source in that situation is existing muscle). So don't do
it for very long.

Duane

Quoted message said:

Roger Zoul said:

[email hidden] wrote:
:: After 6 weeks on Atkins (induction levels) I've gone from 172 to 153
:: lbs.
::
:: Since Thursday I've been doing the fat-fast as well as walking 3
:: miles a day. Basically I have 2 oz of cream cheese, salad, macademia
:: nuts, and egg yolks. Since Thursday I've gone from 158 to 153. Not
:: the most fun "diet" but it helped me break my plateau (I was hanging
:: around 160 for several weeks). Isn't it amazing, that the more fat
:: you eat compared to carbs, the MORE fat you lose?

If you eat enough fat, you won't lose weight.

Do you understand what you just did?

You've just been told that this person ate a very high fat diet for a
period of time and lost weight. You respond by saying that if they eat
enough fat they won't lose weight.

The fact that they succeeded in losing weight by eating a very high fat
diet for a period of time cannot be negated simply because you will it
so or because of your opinionated "logic".

You cannot negate a fact just because you think it ought to be.

The very fact that they lost weight on a very high fat diet should make
it clear to you that dietary fat does NOT EQUATE to fat gain simply
because you think it ought to.

Time to rethink your beliefs. Fat does not make fat. Carbs do.

TC

Quoted message said:

::
:: In six weeks:
::
:: Weight: 172 lbs to 153 lbs
:: Waist: 37.5" to just under 35"
::
:: I'm going to get off the fat-fast on Monday because I really want to
:: continue my weight-training.

Yeah, I'm finished with it as of Monday. Actually only 4 days (Th, F, Sat,
Sun). It helped get rid of 5 extra lbs. Tomorrow is "steak day." :-)

<[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Just be careful... Eating a diet high in fat (with low or no protein)
ultimately leads to muscle breakdown (since your body needs protein,
and the only source in that situation is existing muscle). So don't do
it for very long.

Duane

Quoted message said:

Roger Zoul said:

[email hidden] wrote:
:: After 6 weeks on Atkins (induction levels) I've gone from 172 to 153
:: lbs.
::
:: Since Thursday I've been doing the fat-fast as well as walking 3
:: miles a day. Basically I have 2 oz of cream cheese, salad, macademia
:: nuts, and egg yolks. Since Thursday I've gone from 158 to 153. Not
:: the most fun "diet" but it helped me break my plateau (I was hanging
:: around 160 for several weeks). Isn't it amazing, that the more fat
:: you eat compared to carbs, the MORE fat you lose?

If you eat enough fat, you won't lose weight.

Do you understand what you just did?

You've just been told that this person ate a very high fat diet for a
period of time and lost weight. You respond by saying that if they eat
enough fat they won't lose weight.

The fact that they succeeded in losing weight by eating a very high fat
diet for a period of time cannot be negated simply because you will it
so or because of your opinionated "logic".

You cannot negate a fact just because you think it ought to be.

The very fact that they lost weight on a very high fat diet should make
it clear to you that dietary fat does NOT EQUATE to fat gain simply
because you think it ought to.

Time to rethink your beliefs. Fat does not make fat. Carbs do.

TC

Quoted message said:

::
:: In six weeks:
::
:: Weight: 172 lbs to 153 lbs
:: Waist: 37.5" to just under 35"
::
:: I'm going to get off the fat-fast on Monday because I really want to
:: continue my weight-training.

Exactly, and fat will satiate you well before you can over indulge to
any extreme.

TC

Quoted message said:

I think it would be impossible to eat enough fat to stop weight loss. You'd
probably throw up by then or not be hungry at all. Someone should go on a
2,000 calorie, 90% fat diet and see what happens. However, I agree with the
previous poster... carbs make you fat due to insulin. Fat does not make you
fat.

"Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

[email hidden] wrote:
:: Roger Zoul wrote:
::: [email hidden] wrote:
::::: After 6 weeks on Atkins (induction levels) I've gone from 172 to
::::: 153 lbs.
:::::
::::: Since Thursday I've been doing the fat-fast as well as walking 3
::::: miles a day. Basically I have 2 oz of cream cheese, salad,
::::: macademia nuts, and egg yolks. Since Thursday I've gone from 158
::::: to 153. Not the most fun "diet" but it helped me break my plateau
::::: (I was hanging around 160 for several weeks). Isn't it amazing,
::::: that the more fat you eat compared to carbs, the MORE fat you
::::: lose?
:::
::: If you eat enough fat, you won't lose weight.
::
:: Do you understand what you just did?
::
:: You've just been told that this person ate a very high fat diet for a
:: period of time and lost weight. You respond by saying that if they
:: eat enough fat they won't lose weight.

Which is true.

::
:: The fact that they succeeded in losing weight by eating a very high
:: fat diet for a period of time cannot be negated simply because you
:: will it so or because of your opinionated "logic".

Eating a very high fat diet is not the same thing as eating so much fat as
to prevent weight loss. You can eat enough fat to prevent weight loss.
Period. That's all I said. Eating more and more fat will not lead to
more weight loss.

::
:: You cannot negate a fact just because you think it ought to be.
::

What fact?

:: The very fact that they lost weight on a very high fat diet should
:: make it clear to you that dietary fat does NOT EQUATE to fat gain
:: simply because you think it ought to.

Are you stupid or what? Eating a high-fat diet isn't the same thing as
eating enough fat to prevent weight loss.

::
:: Time to rethink your beliefs. Fat does not make fat. Carbs do.

TC...don't be stupid...if you don't know that I EAT A HIGH-FAT DIET by
now, you're a complete moron...

What I was attempted to point out is that you can't just eat MORE FAT and
expect to keep losing weight. i.e, eating more fat doesn't equate to more
fat loss, though eating a high-fat diet can, under the appropriate
circumstances. Of course, I don't expect you to believe that since you
think thta only carbs make people fat.

More of your "the world according to TC" logic.

[email hidden] wrote:
:: You can not believe all you want. I lost 1" off of my waist and 5
:: lbs in 4 days. Of course it's not 100% fat, but the proof is there.
:: If you don't eat carbs, and limit your protein, your body has no
:: choice but to burn fat. You obviously haven't read the book or
:: looked at any research.

Make up your mind...in other posts you said you lost only fat, now you're
saying it's not only fat?

Based on your weight and eating of 1000 kcal/day, I don't think you lost 5
lbs in 4 days. No. I can believe that the scale changed by that much, but I
don't believe you really lost that weight in 4 days. You were probably
holding on to water weight for some reason, and the fat fast freed it up.

If you really think this works, then why don't you do this: Do a fat fast
every other week....one week on and one week off. Just do induction in the
week you're off the fat fast so you don't gain any back. You'll be to goal
in no time as you'll lose at least 10 lbs a month, maybe more!

::
:: "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
:: news:[email hidden]...
::: [email hidden] wrote:
::::: According to my fitday records, the lowest I ate per day was 900
::::: calories and the highest was 1500 calories. Most days I barely ate
::::: 1100 calories on induction foods.
:::::
::::: True, in the fat fast I'm eating 1000-1050 calories a day, but
::::: that's what, 50-100 calories less than I was eating? Obviously the
::::: calories are not the trigger, but the fat.
:::
::: If you're extremely insulin resistant, then this maybe a key for
::: you. But for most folks, just the sheer lack of calories is what
::: does the trick, even at higher carb levels. There are some small %
::: of folks for whom nothing but cutting carbs works.
:::
:::::
::::: If you eat 90% fat, your body is forced to burn the fat on your
::::: body. You can read this in Dr. Atkins book. The fat fast is not
::::: even Dr. Atkins work, but someone elses. Your body is forced into
::::: Lipolysis and Ketosis. Your body burns 1) carbs 2) protein 3) fat.
::::: Atkins works by restricting #1. The fat-fast works by restricting
::::: #1 and #2, leaving your body to HAVE TO burn the fat. I've just
::::: proved it in 4 days where I lost 5 lbs, whereas on induction
::::: levels I lost 2 lbs per week for the past 2 weeks. You still
::::: doubt it?
:::
::: Doubt what? Most folks who are prediabetic lose great on
::: Atkins...those who are highly insulin resistant lose great too. So
::: nothing in surprising. However, I don't believe you lost 5 lbs of
::: real fat in 4 days not after being on induction first...I think you
::: probably lost some of that weight before while you were on
::: induction...it's just now showing up on the scales. Also, you're
::: probably losing some muscle as well as fat.
:::
:::::
::::: "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
::::: news:[email hidden]...
:::::: [email hidden] wrote:
:::::::: Exactly. Buying the Atkins book has helped me tremendously.
:::::::: Well, actually, reading it has. Once you understand that your
:::::::: body burns carbs before fat, you're 90% there. There's a
:::::::: section in the book for people having a hard time losing
:::::::: weight even on the suggested Atkins diet/people on a plateau.
:::::::: I read it, and it made sense. If I'm restricting my carb
:::::::: intake and also lower my protein by eating 75-90% carbs, the
:::::::: body has no choice but to burn the fat.
::::::
:::::: What?
::::::
::::::::
:::::::: So, the mad scientist that I am, I decided to try the fat-fast
:::::::: for the recommended 5 days before going back to induction level
:::::::: carbs. I had solid weight loss on induction, around 2 lbs a
:::::::: week after 3 weeks of hovering around 162, but I wanted to try
:::::::: it anyway.
::::::::
:::::::: And what can I say, i'm amazed. 1,000 calories a day, 75% to
:::::::: 90% of which is fat. In two days I went from 158 to 155. 2
:::::::: days later I'm at 153. My waist is down nearly an inch. For
:::::::: some reason I'm not very hungry at all. Even on my Atkins
:::::::: induction diet, I was only eating 1200-1500 calories a day.
::::::
:::::: ???
::::::
:::::: so, you switched to 1000 kcals/ day of almost all fat...and you
:::::: lost weight. But prior you were eating more kcals.
::::::
:::::: For all you know, you had lost some of that weight prior to
:::::: starting the fat fast....sometimes weight loss happens after you
:::::: would have expected it. This proves nothing.
::::::
::::::::
:::::::: Simply put, the fat-fast works and it's true that while eating
:::::::: more substantially more fat, you will lose weight, primarily
:::::::: fat.
::::::
:::::: Geuses, you're so unthinking it's funny. You only ate 1000 kcal
:::::: / day for 5 days. There's no magic there. You simply eat a
:::::: greater precentage of fat than anything else. But if you really
:::::: believe that you can eat unlimited amounts of fat and lose
:::::: weight, when don't you just up your calories to about 4000 /
:::::: day and see what happens. If you do that, since you're eating
:::::: more fat, you should lose more weight, right?
::::::
:::::: I'm not
:::::::: going to stay on it after today, because 5 days is enough, I'm
:::::::: happy with my regular weight loss on induction, and I want to
:::::::: resume weight-training. The diet is not that enjoyable either,
:::::::: but then again Atkins advises to only do the fat-fast for 4-5
:::::::: days tops.
::::::::
:::::::: FYI, I was on a 1200 calorie diet before I tried Atkins again.
:::::::: I ate 1 or 2 baked potatoes a day as well as other foods but
:::::::: kept my calories down to 1200. In two weeks I went from 172 to
:::::::: 172. :-) <[email hidden]> wrote in message
:::::::: news:[email hidden]...
:::::::::
::::::::: Roger Zoul wrote:
:::::::::: [email hidden] wrote:
:::::::::::: After 6 weeks on Atkins (induction levels) I've gone from
:::::::::::: 172 to 153 lbs.
::::::::::::
:::::::::::: Since Thursday I've been doing the fat-fast as well as
:::::::::::: walking 3 miles a day. Basically I have 2 oz of cream
:::::::::::: cheese, salad, macademia nuts, and egg yolks. Since
:::::::::::: Thursday I've gone from 158 to 153. Not the most fun
:::::::::::: "diet" but it helped me break my plateau (I was hanging
:::::::::::: around 160 for several weeks). Isn't it amazing, that the
:::::::::::: more fat you eat compared to carbs, the MORE fat you lose?
::::::::::
:::::::::: If you eat enough fat, you won't lose weight.
:::::::::
::::::::: Do you understand what you just did?
:::::::::
::::::::: You've just been told that this person ate a very high fat
::::::::: diet for a period of time and lost weight. You respond by
::::::::: saying that if they eat enough fat they won't lose weight.
:::::::::
::::::::: The fact that they succeeded in losing weight by eating a very
::::::::: high fat diet for a period of time cannot be negated simply
::::::::: because you will it so or because of your opinionated "logic".
:::::::::
::::::::: You cannot negate a fact just because you think it ought to
::::::::: be.
:::::::::
::::::::: The very fact that they lost weight on a very high fat diet
::::::::: should make it clear to you that dietary fat does NOT EQUATE
::::::::: to fat gain simply because you think it ought to.
:::::::::
::::::::: Time to rethink your beliefs. Fat does not make fat. Carbs do.
:::::::::
::::::::: TC
:::::::::
::::::::::
::::::::::::
:::::::::::: In six weeks:
::::::::::::
:::::::::::: Weight: 172 lbs to 153 lbs
:::::::::::: Waist: 37.5" to just under 35"
::::::::::::
:::::::::::: I'm going to get off the fat-fast on Monday because I
:::::::::::: really want to continue my weight-training.