fat burning and Accelerade

"Greg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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When I drink a couples bottles of Accelerade (75%carbs, 25% protein)
say on a 50 mile ride, I feel great and recover quickly. Problem is, I
would like to lose about 5 lbs. Accelerade is high cal. Does that hurt
the weight loss effort? Anybody know how much is "too much". When I
just drink water I feel hammered.

If you wanna lose weight, you want to eat 1.0-1.5% per kilogram body
weight of carbs. If you want to keep weight steady, use this:

http://www.self.com/calculators/index.ssf?/cgi-bin/calculators/calc_inpu
t.cgi?dir=carbohydrate_need&calculate=CRB&title=Carbohydrate%20Need

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When I drink a couples bottles of Accelerade (75%carbs, 25% protein)
say on a 50 mile ride, I feel great and recover quickly.

Save that drink for AFTER the ride. (I'll bet it says that on the label.)

A carb drink and maybe a tiny amount of protein will probably be more
effective during your rides.

-WG

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When I drink a couples bottles of Accelerade (75%carbs, 25% protein)
say on a 50 mile ride, I feel great and recover quickly. Problem is, I
would like to lose about 5 lbs. Accelerade is high cal. Does that hurt
the weight loss effort? Anybody know how much is "too much". When I
just drink water I feel hammered.

If you wanna lose weight, you want to eat 1.0-1.5% per kilogram body
weight of carbs. If you want to keep weight steady, use this:

http://www.self.com/calculators/index.ssf?/cgi-bin/calculators/calc_inpu
t.cgi?dir=carbohydrate_need&calculate=CRB&title=Carbohydrate%20Need

C'mon now, is this really how you'll figure this out? You can do much
better.

-WG

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Quoted message said:

When I drink a couples bottles of Accelerade (75%carbs, 25% protein)
say on a 50 mile ride, I feel great and recover quickly. Problem is, I
would like to lose about 5 lbs. Accelerade is high cal. Does that hurt
the weight loss effort? Anybody know how much is "too much". When I
just drink water I feel hammered.

If you wanna lose weight, you want to eat 1.0-1.5% per kilogram body
weight of carbs. If you want to keep weight steady, use this:

http://www.self.com/calculators/index.ssf?/cgi-bin/calculators/calc_inpu
t.cgi?dir=carbohydrate_need&calculate=CRB&title=Carbohydrate%20Need

C'mon now, is this really how you'll figure this out? You can do much
better.

-WG

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"Greg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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When I drink a couples bottles of Accelerade (75%carbs, 25% protein)
say on a 50 mile ride, I feel great and recover quickly.

Save that drink for AFTER the ride. (I'll bet it says that on the label.)

No - You're supposed to drink it during the ride, and Endurox after.

-T

"Greg" <kaw4@@4ax.com...

Quoted message said:

When I drink a couples bottles of Accelerade (75%carbs, 25% protein)
say on a 50 mile ride, I feel great and recover quickly. Problem is, I
would like to lose about 5 lbs. Accelerade is high cal. Does that hurt
the weight loss effort? Anybody know how much is "too much". When I
just drink water I feel hammered.

You gain weight by consuming more calories than you burn.

-Ken

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Schulenburg said:

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"Greg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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When I drink a couples bottles of Accelerade (75%carbs, 25% protein)
say on a 50 mile ride, I feel great and recover quickly.

Save that drink for AFTER the ride. (I'll bet it says that on the label.)

No - You're supposed to drink it during the ride, and Endurox after.

You may want to reconsider using a drink with so much protein in it
DURING a ride. Check into how your body converts carbs and protein into
fuel during a ride.

-WG

In article <XtASc.271416$JR4.61578@attbi_s54>, Ken Papai

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"Greg" <kaw4@@4ax.com...

Quoted message said:

When I drink a couples bottles of Accelerade (75%carbs, 25% protein)
say on a 50 mile ride, I feel great and recover quickly. Problem is, I
would like to lose about 5 lbs. Accelerade is high cal. Does that hurt
the weight loss effort? Anybody know how much is "too much". When I
just drink water I feel hammered.

You gain weight by consuming more calories than you burn.

I think we're going to need something a little more sexy than that.
Perhaps an interactive form that can calculate that? Or a three
paragraph article with buzzwords and magical methods marketed by
somebody with just one name...

-WG

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When I drink a couples bottles of Accelerade (75%carbs, 25%

protein)

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say on a 50 mile ride, I feel great and recover quickly. Problem

is, I

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would like to lose about 5 lbs. Accelerade is high cal. Does that

hurt

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the weight loss effort? Anybody know how much is "too much". When

I

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just drink water I feel hammered.

If you wanna lose weight, you want to eat 1.0-1.5% per kilogram body
weight of carbs. If you want to keep weight steady, use this:

http://www.self.com/calculators/index.ssf?/cgi-bin/calculators/calc_inpu

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

t.cgi?dir=carbohydrate_need&calculate=CRB&title=Carbohydrate%20Need

C'mon now, is this really how you'll figure this out? You can do much
better.

-WG

yes. how do you do it?

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When I drink a couples bottles of Accelerade (75%carbs, 25% protein)
say on a 50 mile ride, I feel great and recover quickly. Problem is, I
would like to lose about 5 lbs. Accelerade is high cal. Does that hurt
the weight loss effort? Anybody know how much is "too much". When I
just drink water I feel hammered.

Don't worry about it. On a 50-mile ride, assuming 160 lbs body weight and a
leisurely 16.7 mph, you'd burn about 1700 calories. Accelerade is 120
calories per 12 oz if you mix it at their recommended strength. Drinking a
couple of bottles is still going to leave you with -1200 calories for the
ride. Assuming you're not overdoing it on your meals you should have a
calorie deficit for the day even with the Accelerade.

You feel hammered on just water because you're probably depleting muscle
glycogen and bonking.

You could try watering down the sports drink some to see if you can get by
with less energy intake during the ride if you really want to maximize
daily calorie deficit.

Al

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"Greg" <kaw4@@4ax.com...

Quoted message said:

When I drink a couples bottles of Accelerade (75%carbs, 25% protein)
say on a 50 mile ride, I feel great and recover quickly. Problem is, I
would like to lose about 5 lbs. Accelerade is high cal. Does that hurt
the weight loss effort? Anybody know how much is "too much". When I
just drink water I feel hammered.

You gain weight by consuming more calories than you burn.

-Ken

dumbass, that isn't very helpful.

i do think that it's better to properly fuel while training even if
you are trying to lose weight.

you compromise the quality of your aerobic training if you are forced
to drop intensity because of lack of food.

building better aerobic fitness will make you faster and make it
easier to lose weight over the long term.

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Quoted message said:

When I drink a couples bottles of Accelerade (75%carbs, 25% protein)
say on a 50 mile ride, I feel great and recover quickly. Problem is, I
would like to lose about 5 lbs. Accelerade is high cal. Does that hurt
the weight loss effort? Anybody know how much is "too much". When I
just drink water I feel hammered.

50 miles riding would be at least 2,000 calories. Two bottles (2L?) of
anything I could drink riding without throwing up and getting
dehydrated would be <800 calories; you may be different but probably
not by much. So drinking it will slow down weight loss a bit, but not
by very much. Whereas running out of sugar and mucking up your
recovery repeatedly will get you ill and unable to train, and that
will really slow down your weight loss and your racing.

What works for me (when I'm losing weight for a race) is making sure
I've got enough carbs in my system (from breakfast, energy drinks) to
do the training properly, then after training instead of eating a big
bowl of pasta, meat and veg I'd eat a lot of lean meat and veg but no
pasta.

Peter

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50 miles riding would be at least 2,000 calories.

That seems pretty high. What do you base it on?

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Warren said:

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When I drink a couples bottles of Accelerade (75%carbs, 25% protein)
say on a 50 mile ride, I feel great and recover quickly.

Save that drink for AFTER the ride. (I'll bet it says that on the label.)

A carb drink and maybe a tiny amount of protein will probably be more
effective during your rides.

-WG

No. It is for DURING and AFTER the ride. Stuff is good, unless it is
hot, then it is very hard to swallow.

Scott
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-*- Scott Patton
-*- Colorado Springs, CO
-*- http://www.FixedGearFever.com
-*- Track Racing Web Services

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"Greg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> When I drink a couples bottles of Accelerade (75%carbs, 25% protein)
> say on a 50 mile ride, I feel great and recover quickly.

Save that drink for AFTER the ride. (I'll bet it says that on the label.)

No - You're supposed to drink it during the ride, and Endurox after.

You may want to reconsider using a drink with so much protein in it
DURING a ride. Check into how your body converts carbs and protein into
fuel during a ride.

-WG

You may want to go read about it, and the studies assoicated with it.

Some have pointed out a few issues with the study, I don't remember
what they were, but the stuff does work pretty well.

Scott
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-*- Scott Patton
-*- Colorado Springs, CO
-*- http://www.FixedGearFever.com
-*- Track Racing Web Services

On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 14:55:59 -0000, scott patton <[email hidden]>

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warren said:

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Schulenburg said:

"Warren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> "Greg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> > When I drink a couples bottles of Accelerade (75%carbs, 25%
protein)
> > say on a 50 mile ride, I feel great and recover quickly.
>
> Save that drink for AFTER the ride. (I'll bet it says that on the
label.)

No - You're supposed to drink it during the ride, and Endurox after.

You may want to reconsider using a drink with so much protein in it
DURING a ride. Check into how your body converts carbs and protein into
fuel during a ride.

-WG

You may want to go read about it, and the studies assoicated with it.

Some have pointed out a few issues with the study, I don't remember
what they were, but the stuff does work pretty well.

Scott

From Nutrient Timing, by exercise physiologist
John Ivy, Ph.D., and biochemist Robert Portman, Ph.D.:

1. Consuming protein with carbohydrate during exercise can
increase endurance

It appears that the effectiveness of carbohydrate consumption
during exercise is limited by the maximum rate at which the
liver can release glucose into the bloodstream -- about 1 gram
per minute. It's not hard to consume enough carbohydrate in a
sports drink to reach this limit, and consuming any more will
not help.
But the muscles can also use protein for energy. A supplement
combining carbohydrate and protein can therefore provide more
energy and delay fatigue by allowing the muscles to
conserve more glycogen (their main energy source).
A study at the University of Texas compared the effects of a
carbohydrate and a carbohydrate-protein supplement on
endurance performance. Trained cyclists last 36% longer in a
ride to exhaustion when fed the carbohydrate-protein drink
than when fed the carbohydrate drink.

2. Consuming protein during exercise can reduce muscle
damage.
When protein is not consumed during exercise, muscle proteins
are broken down for energy, resulting in muscle damage.
When protein is consumed during exercise, such damage
is minimized.
This was demonstrated in a study done at James Madison
University. Researchers fed either a regular carbohydrate
sports drink or a carbohydrate-protein drink to subjects during
a hard stationary bike ride and measured post-exercise
levels of creatine phosphokinase (CPK) in the blood. CPK is a
biomarker of muscle damage.
The subjects receiving the carbohydrate/protein supplement
had CPK levels 83% lower than those receiving the carbohydrate
supplement, indicating significantly less muscle damage
during exercise.

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On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 14:55:59 -0000, scott patton <[email hidden]>

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warren said:

In article <[email hidden]>, Tom
Schulenburg <[email hidden]> wrote:

> "Warren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> news:[email hidden]...
> >
> > "Greg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> > news:[email hidden]...
> > > When I drink a couples bottles of Accelerade (75%carbs, 25%
> protein)
> > > say on a 50 mile ride, I feel great and recover quickly.
> >
> > Save that drink for AFTER the ride. (I'll bet it says that on the
> label.)
>
> No - You're supposed to drink it during the ride, and Endurox after.

You may want to reconsider using a drink with so much protein in it
DURING a ride. Check into how your body converts carbs and protein into
fuel during a ride.

-WG

You may want to go read about it, and the studies assoicated with it.

Some have pointed out a few issues with the study, I don't remember
what they were, but the stuff does work pretty well.

Scott

From Nutrient Timing, by exercise physiologist
John Ivy, Ph.D., and biochemist Robert Portman, Ph.D.:

1. Consuming protein with carbohydrate during exercise can
increase endurance

It appears that the effectiveness of carbohydrate consumption
during exercise is limited by the maximum rate at which the
liver can release glucose into the bloodstream -- about 1 gram
per minute. It's not hard to consume enough carbohydrate in a
sports drink to reach this limit, and consuming any more will
not help.
But the muscles can also use protein for energy. A supplement
combining carbohydrate and protein can therefore provide more
energy and delay fatigue by allowing the muscles to
conserve more glycogen (their main energy source).
A study at the University of Texas compared the effects of a
carbohydrate and a carbohydrate-protein supplement on
endurance performance. Trained cyclists last 36% longer in a
ride to exhaustion when fed the carbohydrate-protein drink
than when fed the carbohydrate drink.

2. Consuming protein during exercise can reduce muscle
damage.
When protein is not consumed during exercise, muscle proteins
are broken down for energy, resulting in muscle damage.
When protein is consumed during exercise, such damage
is minimized.
This was demonstrated in a study done at James Madison
University. Researchers fed either a regular carbohydrate
sports drink or a carbohydrate-protein drink to subjects during
a hard stationary bike ride and measured post-exercise
levels of creatine phosphokinase (CPK) in the blood. CPK is a
biomarker of muscle damage.
The subjects receiving the carbohydrate/protein supplement
had CPK levels 83% lower than those receiving the carbohydrate
supplement, indicating significantly less muscle damage
during exercise.

Testing "to exhaustion" is not normally the kind of training and racing
we are concerend about. We want to go fast, and/or at high intensities,
or whatever, but almost never are we concerned with actually going
until we are exhausted while riding at a moderate to slow pace.

I didn't say no protein, just that 25% protein was too much. Protein
doesn't convert to fuel as efficiently as carbs and some of the waste
products associated with protein digestion (like ammonia) are not good
for performance. So, a little protein is good, just not that much. If
you were consuming as much carbs as you could during a ride, via a
drink that was 25% protein, you'd be getting way too much protein
during that ride.

-WG

In article <[email hidden]>, Peter

Allen said:

What works for me (when I'm losing weight for a race) is making sure
I've got enough carbs in my system (from breakfast, energy drinks) to
do the training properly, then after training instead of eating a big
bowl of pasta, meat and veg I'd eat a lot of lean meat and veg but no
pasta.

So you're not concerned about rapid relenishment of your glycogen? (or
you eat a huge pile of veg)

-WG

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Testing "to exhaustion" is not normally the kind of training and racing
we are concerend about. We want to go fast, and/or at high intensities,
or whatever, but almost never are we concerned with actually going
until we are exhausted while riding at a moderate to slow pace.

I didn't say no protein, just that 25% protein was too much. Protein
doesn't convert to fuel as efficiently as carbs and some of the waste
products associated with protein digestion (like ammonia) are not good
for performance. So, a little protein is good, just not that much. If
you were consuming as much carbs as you could during a ride, via a
drink that was 25% protein, you'd be getting way too much protein
during that ride.

-WG

Personally, I'm on a low carb diet, so I consume nowhere near the
recommended input of carbs during (before or after) a ride. I typically
take in about 20 grams of carbs per hour, but only if my bike ride is over
about 2.5 hours (don't know why I selected that limit, but I did). I
have, however, started to take a packet having about 20 grams of carbs and
20 grams of protein, which I take about 2/3 into my ride, and I've found
it to help fill my stomach and to help me. I also take in about 20 grams
of protein both before and after the ride. That's about 60 grams of
protein for a 5 hour ride, plus whatever is in my relatively low carb bar
I take. My current long ride is about 67 miles with about one mile of
elevation gain.

Also, let's say that you do take in too much protein during a ride.
What's the detriment to this?

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