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No. I've never used Chelation. I know people who have. I met
them through the Naturopath I'm seeing. Incidentally, before
seeing the Naturopath my blood pressure was 120/80 and after
going on the diet he recommended my blood pressure dropped
to around 100/70 and has stayed there!

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Someone mentioned that you used chelation for your heart
problems, did you use mega doses of vitamin c along with
the chelation protocol? Thanks Anth

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Date: 3/14/2004 4:10 PM Pacific Standard Time
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before seeing the Naturopath my blood pressure was 120/80
and after going on the diet he recommended my blood
pressure dropped to around 100/70 and has stayed there!

cut out a little salt???

common sense could tell you that...

btw...120/80 is perfectly acceptable hawki.....

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before seeing the Naturopath my blood pressure was 120/80
and after going on the diet he recommended my blood
pressure dropped to around 100/70 and has stayed there!

cut out a little salt???

He didn't mention salt to me and I'm probably using more
of that than ever.

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btw...120/80 is perfectly acceptable

Go up 5 or 10 points and you have high blood pressure.
100/70 is much better.

Cool good to see you are well with your protocol. I changed
my diet and dropped my blood pressure to 'textbook perfect'
of course I stopped eating 16 bags of crisps a day, added
vitamin c and started juicing, so I really don't know what
dropped it. Anth

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No. I've never used Chelation. I know people who have.
I met them

through

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the Naturopath I'm seeing. Incidentally, before seeing the
Naturopath my blood pressure was 120/80 and after going on
the diet he recommended my blood pressure dropped to
around 100/70 and has stayed there!

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Someone mentioned that you used chelation for your heart
problems, did

you

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use mega doses of vitamin c along with the chelation
protocol? Thanks Anth

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Cool good to see you are well with your protocol. I
changed my diet and dropped my blood pressure to 'textbook
perfect' of course I stopped eating 16 bags of crisps a
day, added vitamin c and

started

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juicing, so I really don't know what dropped it. Anth

What do you regard as textbook perfect?

Dropping the crisps must have really helped out in more ways
than one. Those hydrogenated fats are deadly.

I'm a great believer in high doses of Vitamin C myself and
take about 3000 mg's per day but I don't know what
percentage of that is elemental Vitamin
C. I'm now planning on adding powdered Calcium and Magnesium
to my supplements and switching Vitamin C to powder as
well. I found the Life Extension Foundation on my website
and they have a most excellent source of all three along
with scads more great products and they claim they use
only the finest ingredients.You can get big 1+ Kilogram
jars of powder that can easily give big daily doses for
about $20.00 each that will last for about 5-6 months.
Right up my alley.

Juicing is something that has really intrigued me. I plan to
do it someday.

RB

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Subject: Re: rb From: "RB" [email hidden] Date:
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before seeing the Naturopath my blood pressure was
120/80 and after going on the diet he recommended my
blood pressure dropped to around 100/70 and has stayed
there!

cut out a little salt???

He didn't mention salt to me and I'm probably using
more of that than ever.

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btw...120/80 is perfectly acceptable

Go up 5 or 10 points and you have high blood pressure.
100/70 is much better.

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Your IGNORANCE is showing like a bonfire in the night. 130
isn't considered HB pressure.
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Kim Please note, I don't wish to get involved in any
personal conflicts between the posters here. I'm simply
looking for answers.
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I get vitamin c really cheap (Holland & Barret)- about half
a kilo for £10 on special It will last me whole year, only
problem is it's not buffered which is my only complaint. I
usually crunch the tablet up (waste I know) and drink it
with a pint of juice.. Anth

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Cool good to see you are well with your protocol. I
changed my diet and dropped my blood pressure to
'textbook perfect' of course I stopped eating 16 bags of
crisps a day, added vitamin c and

started

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juicing, so I really don't know what dropped it. Anth

What do you regard as textbook perfect?

Dropping the crisps must have really helped out in more
ways than one.

Those

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hydrogenated fats are deadly.

I'm a great believer in high doses of Vitamin C myself and
take about 3000 mg's per day but I don't know what
percentage of that is elemental Vitamin
C. I'm now planning on adding powdered Calcium and
Magnesium to my supplements and switching Vitamin C to
powder as well. I found the Life Extension Foundation
on my website and they have a most excellent source

of

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all three along with scads more great products and they
claim they use

only

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the finest ingredients.You can get big 1+ Kilogram jars of
powder that can easily give big daily doses for about
$20.00 each that will last for about 5-6 months. Right up
my alley.

Juicing is something that has really intrigued me. I plan
to do it

someday.

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RB

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I get vitamin c really cheap (Holland & Barret)- about
half a kilo for £10 on special. It will last me whole
year, only problem is it's not buffered which is my only
complaint. I usually crunch the tablet up (waste I know)
and drink it with a pint of juice.. Anth

Have you looked into the difference between calcium
ascorbate and sodium ascorbate? I only usually only use the
former, in concentrated powder form. A friend says it also
works to head off migraines, or at least mitigate them
considerably, if taken at the first sign one is beginning,
but I have neither personal experience nor research on that.

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I'm a great believer in high doses of Vitamin C myself
and take about 3000 mg's per day but I don't know what
percentage of that is elemental Vitamin C. I'm now
planning on adding powdered Calcium and Magnesium to my
supplements and switching Vitamin C to powder as well.

To be honest I've not really looked into it. I find the
buffered more expensive, the stuff I have is ascorbic
acid. Anth

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Anth said:

I get vitamin c really cheap (Holland & Barret)- about
half a kilo for £10 on special. It will last me whole
year, only problem is it's not buffered which is my only
complaint. I usually crunch the tablet up (waste I know)
and drink it with a pint of juice.. Anth

Have you looked into the difference between calcium
ascorbate and sodium ascorbate? I only usually only use
the former, in concentrated powder form. A friend says it
also works to head off migraines, or at least mitigate
them considerably, if taken at the first sign one is
beginning, but I have neither personal experience nor
research on that.

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I'm a great believer in high doses of Vitamin C myself
and take about 3000 mg's per day but I don't know what
percentage of that is

elemental

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Vitamin C. I'm now planning on adding powdered Calcium
and Magnesium

to

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my supplements and switching Vitamin C to powder as
well.

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I have put on a lot of weight since I started juicing and
I feel hungry a lot - seems like I am hungry a lot more
than when I wasn't drinking

juices.
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As you know excess weight can be deadly. You can avoid
juicing the veggies with a high carbohydrate content. Carbs
are fattening.
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Kim "Thou seest the mote in thy brother's eye, but thou
seest not the beam in thine own eye. When thou castest the
beam out of thine own eye, then wilt thou see clearly to
cast the mote from thy brother's eye."
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I have put on a lot of weight since I started juicing
and I feel hungry

a

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lot - seems like I am hungry a lot more than when I
wasn't drinking

juices.
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As you know excess weight can be deadly. You can avoid
juicing the veggies with a high carbohydrate content.
Carbs are fattening.

Ya, I see problems with carrots and fruits (as they are very
sweet and full of sugars) but the other problem with this is
actually consuming enough beneficial compounds to prevent
disease. Basically a balance I think.

Good plan is to get at least 1 pint of tomato juice down,
which is rich in lycopene and vitamin c. Anth

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Kim "Thou seest the mote in thy brother's eye, but thou
seest not the beam in thine own eye. When thou castest the
beam out of thine own eye, then wilt thou see clearly to
cast the mote from thy brother's eye."
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As you know excess weight can be deadly. You can avoid
juicing the veggies with a high carbohydrate content.

Carbs

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are fattening.

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Ya, I see problems with carrots and fruits (as they are
very sweet and

full

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of sugars) but the other problem with this is actually
consuming enough beneficial compounds to prevent disease.

But you may be counteracting one type of disease for another
caused by obesity. More diseases are caused by obesity than
a lack of raw veggies. If you don't care to remove the high-
carb veggies why not just cut back the overall amount you
consume in a day? Providing your teeth are good why not just
consume the food whole instead of juiced? I love nothing
better for a snack than some raw mushrooms or a sliced,
salted cucumber. I also love a raw carrot for a snack.

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Basically a balance I think.

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Good plan is to get at least 1 pint of tomato juice down,
which is rich in lycopene and vitamin c. Anth

These are not going to prevent the diseases caused by
obesity. Perhaps you can find less calorie laden foods to
provide you what you need - or even purchase supplements. If
I drank enough milk or ate enough cheese to provide me the
calcium I need (1500mgs a day) I would soon weigh 300 lbs. I
take supplements rather than gaining the excess weight.
--
Kim "Thou seest the mote in thy brother's eye, but thou
seest not the beam in thine own eye. When thou castest the
beam out of thine own eye, then wilt thou see clearly to
cast the mote from thy brother's eye."
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As you know excess weight can be deadly. You can avoid
juicing the veggies with a high carbohydrate content.

Carbs

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are fattening.

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Ya, I see problems with carrots and fruits (as they are
very sweet and

full

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of sugars) but the other problem with this is actually
consuming enough beneficial compounds to prevent
disease.

But you may be counteracting one type of disease for
another caused by obesity. More diseases are caused by
obesity than a lack of raw veggies. If you don't care to
remove the high-carb veggies why not just cut back

the

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overall amount you consume in a day? Providing your teeth
are good why

not

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just consume the food whole instead of juiced? I love
nothing better for

a

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snack than some raw mushrooms or a sliced, salted
cucumber. I also love a raw carrot for a snack.

Well it depends, I doubt that a regular juice diet would
make you obese (there isn't enough calories in it), in fact
there's evidence that it would be protective for certain
diseases. Take for example prostate cancer, that has a link
to obesity, but you consume a lot of tomato products then
studies hint that your chances of prostate cancer will be
reduced. Of course in theory anyways, and since you are not
a male, you would benefit from this for prostate cancer.
Heart disease and cancer risk is lowered with consumption of
fresh fruit and veggies.

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Basically a balance I think.

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Good plan is to get at least 1 pint of tomato juice
down, which is rich

in

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lycopene and vitamin c. Anth

These are not going to prevent the diseases caused by
obesity. Perhaps

you

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can find less calorie laden foods to provide you what you
need - or even purchase supplements. If I drank enough
milk or ate enough cheese to provide me the calcium I need
(1500mgs a day) I would soon weigh 300 lbs.

I

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take supplements rather than gaining the excess weight.
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If I was obese I would consider adding more exercise and
protein to my diet and losing the carbs. If you take
notice to RDA's you will drive yourself mad, besides the
RDA keeps changing.

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Kim "Thou seest the mote in thy brother's eye, but thou
seest not the beam in thine own eye. When thou castest the
beam out of thine own eye, then wilt thou see clearly to
cast the mote from thy brother's eye."
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Anth

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If I was obese I would consider adding more exercise and
protein to my

diet

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and losing the carbs. If you take notice to RDA's you will
drive yourself mad, besides the RDA keeps changing.

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This is so true. Since I'm still healthy except for my
hypothyroidism I will pretty much stick to the diet I've
been on all my life. I love fruit and veggies, and also
consume at least 4 to 6 oz a day of protein. I do take
supplements most of the time. I try to get exercise every
day but that is difficult in this rural area where I reside.
Too many nasty dogs running lose and there was a murder and
a rape.....

I need to get back on the treadmill.
--
Kim "We look at the ancient Greeks with their gods on a
mountain top throwing lightning bolts and say, 'Those
ancient Greeks. They were so silly. So primitive and naive.
Not like our religion. We have burning bushes talking to
people and guys walking on water. We're ...sophisticated.'"
-= Paul Provenza =-
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