fanatical

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Sprgtime said:

"Mark McArthey" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

It's too difficult to lose weight because of his family? Are they
intentionally accelerating his decrepitude and ultimate demise due

to

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CHD? He can't afford a can of mackerel or a dozen eggs a day?

We've argued about this point ourselves, believe me. The truth is

that

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eating low carb IS more expensive than what they currently eat

(mostly

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pasta/white flour/sugar/margarine). Plus then he'd have to buy and

prepare

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vegetables, and be the only person in the house to eat them. When he

works

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50 hours a week, as is the usual case, he doesn't want to spend what

little

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time he has at home with his kids preparing food for himself. He'd

love to

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get his wife on board (she's heavier than he is, and constantly

complaining

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about how she can't lose weight) but she won't budge. She's very

into

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low-fat, and is a picky eater.

Ultimately he will probably not fulfill his desire to spend more time
with his family because they will "kill him with kindness (ignorance)."

$0.89 - one dozen eggs - 930 KCal, 75 g protein, 64 g fat - prep time
10 min.
$0.99 - one can of mackerel - 560 KCal, 84 g protein, 22 g fat - prep
time 30 seconds
$1.88 - All the protein and fat a big boy needs per day in a PSMF
regime assuming he needs 0.7 g protein/pound LBM. He may need less.

If he can't afford this austere menu, then the USDA Food Stamp Program
may help him.
http://www.fns.usda.gov/fsp/applicant_recipients/10steps.htm

Rod & Betty Jo <[email hidden]> wrote:
||
|| It is not a question of having something to eat but rather
|| those few whom make lots of noise about what they won't eat
|| (acknowledged pet peeve).... My non diet Easter dinner for 12
|| included a slow roasted(20hr) apple juice/maple glazed ham,
|| homemade sourdough bread, herb roasted potatoes, asparagus,
|| large mixed green salad, humus, mixed bean salad, taboui,
|| mashed sweet potatoes, roasted carrots, peas with pearl
|| onions with fried eggs for desert (baked meringue rounds with
|| lemon curd filling)...not a nitpicker in the group. Soggy

Can I have an invite for next year? :-) BJ

"Rod & Betty Jo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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My non diet Easter dinner for 12 included a slow roasted(20hr) apple
juice/maple glazed ham

Was that a fresh ham? I've wanted to try one since I saw it on Good Eats a
while back.

Mark

"Rod & Betty Jo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

My non diet Easter dinner for 12 included a slow roasted(20hr) apple
juice/maple glazed ham

Was that a fresh ham? I've wanted to try one since I saw it on Good Eats a
while back.

Mark

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$0.89 - one dozen eggs - 930 KCal, 75 g protein, 64 g fat - prep time
10 min.
$0.99 - one can of mackerel - 560 KCal, 84 g protein, 22 g fat - prep
time 30 seconds

I think you just devised my new diet. 🙂

I'll have to look around for the mackerel. I don't recall having ever seen
this in the stores. Would it be near the canned tuna (which I'm tired of).

Mark

"warehouse" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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$0.89 - one dozen eggs - 930 KCal, 75 g protein, 64 g fat - prep time
10 min.
$0.99 - one can of mackerel - 560 KCal, 84 g protein, 22 g fat - prep
time 30 seconds

I think you just devised my new diet. 🙂

I'll have to look around for the mackerel. I don't recall having ever seen
this in the stores. Would it be near the canned tuna (which I'm tired of).

Mark

Mark McArthey said:

"warehouse" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

$0.89 - one dozen eggs - 930 KCal, 75 g protein, 64 g fat - prep time
10 min.
$0.99 - one can of mackerel - 560 KCal, 84 g protein, 22 g fat - prep
time 30 seconds

I think you just devised my new diet. 🙂

I'll have to look around for the mackerel. I don't recall having ever
seen
this in the stores. Would it be near the canned tuna (which I'm tired
of).

Mark

But these aren't really comparable. I bake my eggs to make them hard.
This takes a while, but I can get 4 meals from a dozen eggs. One can of
makerel is basically one meal. Eggs, in this regard, are cheaper.

--
Bob in CT

Mark McArthey said:

"warehouse" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

$0.89 - one dozen eggs - 930 KCal, 75 g protein, 64 g fat - prep time
10 min.
$0.99 - one can of mackerel - 560 KCal, 84 g protein, 22 g fat - prep
time 30 seconds

I think you just devised my new diet. 🙂

I'll have to look around for the mackerel. I don't recall having ever
seen
this in the stores. Would it be near the canned tuna (which I'm tired
of).

Mark

But these aren't really comparable. I bake my eggs to make them hard.
This takes a while, but I can get 4 meals from a dozen eggs. One can of
makerel is basically one meal. Eggs, in this regard, are cheaper.

--
Bob in CT

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But these aren't really comparable. I bake my eggs to make them hard.
This takes a while, but I can get 4 meals from a dozen eggs. One can of
makerel is basically one meal. Eggs, in this regard, are cheaper.

Bake them? I've never heard of this. How does it differ from hard boiled?
Mark

"Bob M" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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But these aren't really comparable. I bake my eggs to make them hard.
This takes a while, but I can get 4 meals from a dozen eggs. One can of
makerel is basically one meal. Eggs, in this regard, are cheaper.

Bake them? I've never heard of this. How does it differ from hard boiled?
Mark

Bob M said:

On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 14:22:41 GMT, Mark McArthey <[email hidden]>

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"warehouse" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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$0.89 - one dozen eggs - 930 KCal, 75 g protein, 64 g fat - prep

time

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

10 min.
$0.99 - one can of mackerel - 560 KCal, 84 g protein, 22 g fat -

prep

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

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time 30 seconds

I think you just devised my new diet. 🙂

I'll have to look around for the mackerel. I don't recall having

ever

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

seen
this in the stores. Would it be near the canned tuna (which I'm

tired

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

of).

Mark

But these aren't really comparable. I bake my eggs to make them

hard.

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This takes a while, but I can get 4 meals from a dozen eggs. One can

of

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makerel is basically one meal. Eggs, in this regard, are cheaper.

--
Bob in CT

The side benefit of the mackerel is to get a hefty dosage of omega-3
eicosanoids to balance out any omega-6 or transfats he may consume
without resorting to the expense of supplements.

Bob M said:

On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 14:22:41 GMT, Mark McArthey <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

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"warehouse" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

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$0.89 - one dozen eggs - 930 KCal, 75 g protein, 64 g fat - prep

time

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

10 min.
$0.99 - one can of mackerel - 560 KCal, 84 g protein, 22 g fat -

prep

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

time 30 seconds

I think you just devised my new diet. 🙂

I'll have to look around for the mackerel. I don't recall having

ever

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

seen
this in the stores. Would it be near the canned tuna (which I'm

tired

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

of).

Mark

But these aren't really comparable. I bake my eggs to make them

hard.

Quoted message said:

This takes a while, but I can get 4 meals from a dozen eggs. One can

of

Quoted message said:

makerel is basically one meal. Eggs, in this regard, are cheaper.

--
Bob in CT

The side benefit of the mackerel is to get a hefty dosage of omega-3
eicosanoids to balance out any omega-6 or transfats he may consume
without resorting to the expense of supplements.

"BJ in Texas" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

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Rod & Betty Jo <[email hidden]> wrote:
||
|| It is not a question of having something to eat but rather
|| those few whom make lots of noise about what they won't eat
|| (acknowledged pet peeve).... My non diet Easter dinner for 12
|| included a slow roasted(20hr) apple juice/maple glazed ham,
|| homemade sourdough bread, herb roasted potatoes, asparagus,
|| large mixed green salad, humus, mixed bean salad, taboui,
|| mashed sweet potatoes, roasted carrots, peas with pearl
|| onions with fried eggs for desert (baked meringue rounds with
|| lemon curd filling)...not a nitpicker in the group. Soggy

Can I have an invite for next year? :-) BJ

Sure.....dinner will be at 4pm...... Soggy

"BJ in Texas" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Rod & Betty Jo <[email hidden]> wrote:
||
|| It is not a question of having something to eat but rather
|| those few whom make lots of noise about what they won't eat
|| (acknowledged pet peeve).... My non diet Easter dinner for 12
|| included a slow roasted(20hr) apple juice/maple glazed ham,
|| homemade sourdough bread, herb roasted potatoes, asparagus,
|| large mixed green salad, humus, mixed bean salad, taboui,
|| mashed sweet potatoes, roasted carrots, peas with pearl
|| onions with fried eggs for desert (baked meringue rounds with
|| lemon curd filling)...not a nitpicker in the group. Soggy

Can I have an invite for next year? :-) BJ

Sure.....dinner will be at 4pm...... Soggy

"Mark McArthey" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

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"Rod & Betty Jo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

My non diet Easter dinner for 12 included a slow roasted(20hr) apple
juice/maple glazed ham

Was that a fresh ham? I've wanted to try one since I saw it on Good Eats
a while back.

Mark

By fresh do you mean non cured? nope....I have dabbled with curing pork a
few times. made peameal bacon etc...I'd presently like to get some nitrate
cure, when I do I'll do a large picnic then smoke the thing in my smoker.

My Easter ham was just a generic cheap ham...I scored the skin
criss-crossed, added 2 qts of cider, a cup or two of brown sugar ...cover
tightly and cooked at 200degrees for 12-16 hours, turn and/or baste a few
times...when tender but not quite falling completely off the bone(it is
supposed to look like a ham when done)......drain the now doubled liquid(you
have removed much salt and have both sweetened and concentrated the flavor
of ham)......drizzle ham with maple syrup real and/or imitation and roast
uncovered at 200-250degrees for 1-2hrs..... one year I added cloves, bad
idea since after 16hrs of cooking I didn't have a ham but rather a giant
clove, still edible but not to my liking, no cloves at all now but if I did
the last hour would work..... Incidentally Good Eats is the best....Soggy

"Mark McArthey" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

"Rod & Betty Jo" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

My non diet Easter dinner for 12 included a slow roasted(20hr) apple
juice/maple glazed ham

Was that a fresh ham? I've wanted to try one since I saw it on Good Eats
a while back.

Mark

By fresh do you mean non cured? nope....I have dabbled with curing pork a
few times. made peameal bacon etc...I'd presently like to get some nitrate
cure, when I do I'll do a large picnic then smoke the thing in my smoker.

My Easter ham was just a generic cheap ham...I scored the skin
criss-crossed, added 2 qts of cider, a cup or two of brown sugar ...cover
tightly and cooked at 200degrees for 12-16 hours, turn and/or baste a few
times...when tender but not quite falling completely off the bone(it is
supposed to look like a ham when done)......drain the now doubled liquid(you
have removed much salt and have both sweetened and concentrated the flavor
of ham)......drizzle ham with maple syrup real and/or imitation and roast
uncovered at 200-250degrees for 1-2hrs..... one year I added cloves, bad
idea since after 16hrs of cooking I didn't have a ham but rather a giant
clove, still edible but not to my liking, no cloves at all now but if I did
the last hour would work..... Incidentally Good Eats is the best....Soggy

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Sprgtime wrote:
> "Mark McArthey" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

It's too difficult to lose weight because of his family? Are they
intentionally accelerating his decrepitude and ultimate demise due

to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

CHD? He can't afford a can of mackerel or a dozen eggs a day?

We've argued about this point ourselves, believe me. The truth is

that

Quoted message said:

eating low carb IS more expensive than what they currently eat

(mostly

Quoted message said:

pasta/white flour/sugar/margarine). Plus then he'd have to buy and

prepare

Quoted message said:

vegetables, and be the only person in the house to eat them. When he

works

Quoted message said:

50 hours a week, as is the usual case, he doesn't want to spend what

little

Quoted message said:

time he has at home with his kids preparing food for himself. He'd

love to

Quoted message said:

get his wife on board (she's heavier than he is, and constantly

complaining

Quoted message said:

about how she can't lose weight) but she won't budge. She's very

into

Quoted message said:

low-fat, and is a picky eater.

Ultimately he will probably not fulfill his desire to spend more time
with his family because they will "kill him with kindness (ignorance)."

$0.89 - one dozen eggs - 930 KCal, 75 g protein, 64 g fat - prep time
10 min.
$0.99 - one can of mackerel - 560 KCal, 84 g protein, 22 g fat - prep
time 30 seconds
$1.88 - All the protein and fat a big boy needs per day in a PSMF
regime assuming he needs 0.7 g protein/pound LBM. He may need less.

You missed what I said about vegetables.
Plus, I remember how it was for me the first week I was on low carb... I
felt like I was STARVING and ate a LOT of meat.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Sprgtime wrote:
> "Mark McArthey" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

It's too difficult to lose weight because of his family? Are they
intentionally accelerating his decrepitude and ultimate demise due

to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

CHD? He can't afford a can of mackerel or a dozen eggs a day?

We've argued about this point ourselves, believe me. The truth is

that

Quoted message said:

eating low carb IS more expensive than what they currently eat

(mostly

Quoted message said:

pasta/white flour/sugar/margarine). Plus then he'd have to buy and

prepare

Quoted message said:

vegetables, and be the only person in the house to eat them. When he

works

Quoted message said:

50 hours a week, as is the usual case, he doesn't want to spend what

little

Quoted message said:

time he has at home with his kids preparing food for himself. He'd

love to

Quoted message said:

get his wife on board (she's heavier than he is, and constantly

complaining

Quoted message said:

about how she can't lose weight) but she won't budge. She's very

into

Quoted message said:

low-fat, and is a picky eater.

Ultimately he will probably not fulfill his desire to spend more time
with his family because they will "kill him with kindness (ignorance)."

$0.89 - one dozen eggs - 930 KCal, 75 g protein, 64 g fat - prep time
10 min.
$0.99 - one can of mackerel - 560 KCal, 84 g protein, 22 g fat - prep
time 30 seconds
$1.88 - All the protein and fat a big boy needs per day in a PSMF
regime assuming he needs 0.7 g protein/pound LBM. He may need less.

You missed what I said about vegetables.
Plus, I remember how it was for me the first week I was on low carb... I
felt like I was STARVING and ate a LOT of meat.

Sprgtime said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> Sprgtime wrote:
>> "Mark McArthey" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>
> It's too difficult to lose weight because of his family? Are

they

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> intentionally accelerating his decrepitude and ultimate demise

due

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

to

Quoted message said:

> CHD? He can't afford a can of mackerel or a dozen eggs a day?

We've argued about this point ourselves, believe me. The truth is

that

Quoted message said:

eating low carb IS more expensive than what they currently eat

(mostly

Quoted message said:

pasta/white flour/sugar/margarine). Plus then he'd have to buy

and

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

prepare

Quoted message said:

vegetables, and be the only person in the house to eat them. When

he

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

works

Quoted message said:

50 hours a week, as is the usual case, he doesn't want to spend

what

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

little

Quoted message said:

time he has at home with his kids preparing food for himself.

He'd

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

love to

Quoted message said:

get his wife on board (she's heavier than he is, and constantly

complaining

Quoted message said:

about how she can't lose weight) but she won't budge. She's very

into

Quoted message said:

low-fat, and is a picky eater.

Ultimately he will probably not fulfill his desire to spend more

time

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

with his family because they will "kill him with kindness

(ignorance)."

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

$0.89 - one dozen eggs - 930 KCal, 75 g protein, 64 g fat - prep

time

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

10 min.
$0.99 - one can of mackerel - 560 KCal, 84 g protein, 22 g fat -

prep

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

time 30 seconds
$1.88 - All the protein and fat a big boy needs per day in a PSMF
regime assuming he needs 0.7 g protein/pound LBM. He may need

less.

Quoted message said:

You missed what I said about vegetables.
Plus, I remember how it was for me the first week I was on low

carb... I

Quoted message said:

felt like I was STARVING and ate a LOT of meat.

What could possibly as inexpensive or as easy to prepare as a stalk of
celery?
Is there some kind of Draconian vegetable police stalking his
household?
It almost seems as if you are making excuses for him.

Sprgtime said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> Sprgtime wrote:
>> "Mark McArthey" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>
> It's too difficult to lose weight because of his family? Are

they

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> intentionally accelerating his decrepitude and ultimate demise

due

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

to

Quoted message said:

> CHD? He can't afford a can of mackerel or a dozen eggs a day?

We've argued about this point ourselves, believe me. The truth is

that

Quoted message said:

eating low carb IS more expensive than what they currently eat

(mostly

Quoted message said:

pasta/white flour/sugar/margarine). Plus then he'd have to buy

and

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

prepare

Quoted message said:

vegetables, and be the only person in the house to eat them. When

he

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

works

Quoted message said:

50 hours a week, as is the usual case, he doesn't want to spend

what

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

little

Quoted message said:

time he has at home with his kids preparing food for himself.

He'd

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

love to

Quoted message said:

get his wife on board (she's heavier than he is, and constantly

complaining

Quoted message said:

about how she can't lose weight) but she won't budge. She's very

into

Quoted message said:

low-fat, and is a picky eater.

Ultimately he will probably not fulfill his desire to spend more

time

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

with his family because they will "kill him with kindness

(ignorance)."

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

$0.89 - one dozen eggs - 930 KCal, 75 g protein, 64 g fat - prep

time

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

10 min.
$0.99 - one can of mackerel - 560 KCal, 84 g protein, 22 g fat -

prep

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

time 30 seconds
$1.88 - All the protein and fat a big boy needs per day in a PSMF
regime assuming he needs 0.7 g protein/pound LBM. He may need

less.

Quoted message said:

You missed what I said about vegetables.
Plus, I remember how it was for me the first week I was on low

carb... I

Quoted message said:

felt like I was STARVING and ate a LOT of meat.

What could possibly as inexpensive or as easy to prepare as a stalk of
celery?
Is there some kind of Draconian vegetable police stalking his
household?
It almost seems as if you are making excuses for him.