Falling on artificial hip??

billb said:

Consequences of falling/crashing on artificial hip?

Consequences of falling/crashing on a natural hip?

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Consequences of falling/crashing on artificial hip? What Pro can go
through a full season without falling? Most folks fall to the left and
Landis is having right hip replaced ...

Best,
Bill Black

It's a risk but how many crashes result in a direct impact to either hip?
Probably not a very high percentage.

On 07/25/2006 06:01 AM, in article
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Consequences of falling/crashing on artificial hip? What Pro can go
through a full season without falling? Most folks fall to the left and
Landis is having right hip replaced ...

Well ... If he falls to the left, then he can get his left hip replaced too,
and be well on his way to becoming the bionic man!

John Forrest Tomlinson said:

billb said:

Consequences of falling/crashing on artificial hip?

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Consequences of falling/crashing on a natural hip?

Aside from any questions re. the strength of the replacement parts vs.
natural bone, there is another issue, which is this: any fracture
resulting from a fall on the artificial hip joint is likely to be in an
uncommon place, which would make it more difficult to repair. It was
for this reason that I was advised not to race again until I had the
hardware removed from my hip after I broke my femoral neck just like
Landis (albeit not in training!).

Andy Coggan

billb said:

Consequences of falling/crashing on artificial hip? What Pro can go
through a full season without falling? Most folks fall to the left and
Landis is having right hip replaced ...

Best,
Bill Black

Damn, what a [censored] poor troll. No development, lost focus, no hooks
(Most folks fall to the left? Geez).

Please, work on this and come back in, say, 2011. Or not. We'l leave
the light on...

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

Curtis L. Russell said:

billb said:

Consequences of falling/crashing on artificial hip? What Pro can go
through a full season without falling? Most folks fall to the left and
Landis is having right hip replaced ...

Best,
Bill Black

Damn, what a [censored] poor troll. No development, lost focus, no hooks
(Most folks fall to the left? Geez).

Please, work on this and come back in, say, 2011. Or not. We'l leave
the light on...

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

Terrapins -- slow and not too talkative but they are delicious!

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Consequences of falling/crashing on artificial hip? What Pro can go
through a full season without falling? Most folks fall to the left and
Landis is having right hip replaced ...

Best,
Bill Black

It's a risk but how many crashes result in a direct impact to either hip?
Probably not a very high percentage.

You haven't crashed much, have you?

Andy Coggan

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Consequences of falling/crashing on artificial hip? What Pro can go
through a full season without falling? Most folks fall to the left and
Landis is having right hip replaced ...

It's a risk but how many crashes result in a direct impact to either
hip? Probably not a very high percentage.

Errrmmmm... must depend who you are.

With me, it's hips, knees, elbows in that order, other stuff being mostly
minor. But if you go down sideways (which I mostly do, thank heavens)
it's pretty much bound to get your hip.

Yes, I suppose it would be better not to go down at all.

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Consequences of falling/crashing on artificial hip? What Pro can go
through a full season without falling? Most folks fall to the left and
Landis is having right hip replaced ...

Best,
Bill Black

It's a risk but how many crashes result in a direct impact to either hip?
Probably not a very high percentage.

You haven't crashed much, have you?

Andy Coggan

1. I haven't crashed much (3 or 4 in 25 years).
2. I have landed on my hip sustaining a stable fracture to the pelvis.
3. I know many people who have crashed. The most common injury of a serious
nature involved collarbone/shoulder injuries. None, other than me, involved
hip/pelvis structural injuries. The most common injury is road rash.
Hip/pelvis fractures/breaks are, thankfully, relatively rare. Soft tissue
damage to the hip back and legs is no doubt more common.

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> Consequences of falling/crashing on artificial hip? What Pro can go
> through a full season without falling? Most folks fall to the left and
> Landis is having right hip replaced ...
>
> Best,
> Bill Black
>
It's a risk but how many crashes result in a direct impact to either hip?
Probably not a very high percentage.

You haven't crashed much, have you?

Andy Coggan

1. I haven't crashed much (3 or 4 in 25 years).
2. I have landed on my hip sustaining a stable fracture to the pelvis.

So at least 25-33% of your crashes resulted in a direct impact to your
hip.

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3. I know many people who have crashed. The most common injury of a serious
nature involved collarbone/shoulder injuries.

In fact, this is what the research demonstrates.

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None, other than me, involved
hip/pelvis structural injuries. The most common injury is road rash.
Hip/pelvis fractures/breaks are, thankfully, relatively rare. ******Soft tissue
damage to the hip***** back and legs is no doubt more common.

Well there you go: contrary to your initial comment, you apparently
understand that people often land on their hips.

Andy Coggan

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John Forrest Tomlinson said:

billb said:

Consequences of falling/crashing on artificial hip?

Quoted message said:

Consequences of falling/crashing on a natural hip?

Aside from any questions re. the strength of the replacement parts vs.
natural bone, there is another issue, which is this: any fracture
resulting from a fall on the artificial hip joint is likely to be in an
uncommon place, which would make it more difficult to repair. It was
for this reason that I was advised not to race again until I had the
hardware removed from my hip after I broke my femoral neck just like
Landis (albeit not in training!).

Andy Coggan

Likewise, I was advised not to race again until I had my hardware
removed (same injury, same surgery). After the removal surgery, I was
advised to not race for 6 months, to allow the bloody gap left by the
removal of the screws to turn into strong bone material again. And I
am so glad that I did have the removal surgery, as most of the
discomfort has gonbe away.

Did Floyd have his hardware removed? I've seen writing of additional
surgery to try and restore blood supply to his femoral neck, but no
mention of hardware removal. I'd think that the hardware would
interfere with blood supply (since that is/was an issue).

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> "billb" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> > Consequences of falling/crashing on artificial hip? What Pro can go
> > through a full season without falling? Most folks fall to the left
> > and
> > Landis is having right hip replaced ...
> >
> > Best,
> > Bill Black
> >
> It's a risk but how many crashes result in a direct impact to either
> hip?
> Probably not a very high percentage.

You haven't crashed much, have you?

Andy Coggan

1. I haven't crashed much (3 or 4 in 25 years).
2. I have landed on my hip sustaining a stable fracture to the pelvis.

So at least 25-33% of your crashes resulted in a direct impact to your
hip.

Which even candyass professors know is not a valid sample (see your own
comments below to point 3.

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3. I know many people who have crashed. The most common injury of a
serious
nature involved collarbone/shoulder injuries.

In fact, this is what the research demonstrates.

Quoted message said:

None, other than me, involved
hip/pelvis structural injuries. The most common injury is road rash.
Hip/pelvis fractures/breaks are, thankfully, relatively rare. ******Soft
tissue
damage to the hip***** back and legs is no doubt more common.

Well there you go: contrary to your initial comment, you apparently
understand that people often land on their hips.

People often land on their side, hip, hands and arms in the same crash
resulting in road rash and muscle damage. Direct falls on the hip severe
enough to brake the pelvis, ball and/or socket are much more rare.

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Andy Coggan

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>> "billb" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>> > Consequences of falling/crashing on artificial hip? What Pro can go
>> > through a full season without falling? Most folks fall to the left
>> > and
>> > Landis is having right hip replaced ...
>> >
>> > Best,
>> > Bill Black
>> >
>> It's a risk but how many crashes result in a direct impact to either
>> hip?
>> Probably not a very high percentage.
>
> You haven't crashed much, have you?
>
> Andy Coggan
>
1. I haven't crashed much (3 or 4 in 25 years).
2. I have landed on my hip sustaining a stable fracture to the pelvis.

So at least 25-33% of your crashes resulted in a direct impact to your
hip.

Which even candyass professors know is not a valid sample (see your own
comments below to point 3.

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Quoted message said:

3. I know many people who have crashed. The most common injury of a
serious
nature involved collarbone/shoulder injuries.

In fact, this is what the research demonstrates.

Quoted message said:

None, other than me, involved
hip/pelvis structural injuries. The most common injury is road rash.
Hip/pelvis fractures/breaks are, thankfully, relatively rare. ******Soft
tissue
damage to the hip***** back and legs is no doubt more common.

Well there you go: contrary to your initial comment, you apparently
understand that people often land on their hips.

People often land on their side, hip, hands and arms in the same crash
resulting in road rash and muscle damage. Direct falls on the hip severe
enough to brake the pelvis, ball and/or socket are much more rare.

If you'd been this explicit in your first posting then I wouldn't have
had to rag on you. Maybe next time you'll think about the words you've
actually typed before hitting 'send' (but I doubt it).

Andy Coggan

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> >> "billb" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> >> > Consequences of falling/crashing on artificial hip? What Pro can
> >> > go
> >> > through a full season without falling? Most folks fall to the
> >> > left
> >> > and
> >> > Landis is having right hip replaced ...
> >> >
> >> > Best,
> >> > Bill Black
> >> >
> >> It's a risk but how many crashes result in a direct impact to
> >> either
> >> hip?
> >> Probably not a very high percentage.
> >
> > You haven't crashed much, have you?
> >
> > Andy Coggan
> >
> 1. I haven't crashed much (3 or 4 in 25 years).
> 2. I have landed on my hip sustaining a stable fracture to the pelvis.

So at least 25-33% of your crashes resulted in a direct impact to your
hip.

Which even candyass professors know is not a valid sample (see your own
comments below to point 3.

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> 3. I know many people who have crashed. The most common injury of a
> serious
> nature involved collarbone/shoulder injuries.

In fact, this is what the research demonstrates.

> None, other than me, involved
> hip/pelvis structural injuries. The most common injury is road rash.
> Hip/pelvis fractures/breaks are, thankfully, relatively rare.
> ******Soft
> tissue
> damage to the hip***** back and legs is no doubt more common.

Well there you go: contrary to your initial comment, you apparently
understand that people often land on their hips.

People often land on their side, hip, hands and arms in the same crash
resulting in road rash and muscle damage. Direct falls on the hip severe
enough to brake the pelvis, ball and/or socket are much more rare.

If you'd been this explicit in your first posting then I wouldn't have
had to rag on you. Maybe next time you'll think about the words you've
actually typed before hitting 'send' (but I doubt it).

Andy Coggan

Maybe next time you'll read carefully and politely raise any questions you
might have.

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>> >> "billb" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>> >> > Consequences of falling/crashing on artificial hip? What Pro can
>> >> > go
>> >> > through a full season without falling? Most folks fall to the
>> >> > left
>> >> > and
>> >> > Landis is having right hip replaced ...
>> >> >
>> >> > Best,
>> >> > Bill Black
>> >> >
>> >> It's a risk but how many crashes result in a direct impact to
>> >> either
>> >> hip?
>> >> Probably not a very high percentage.
>> >
>> > You haven't crashed much, have you?
>> >
>> > Andy Coggan
>> >
>> 1. I haven't crashed much (3 or 4 in 25 years).
>> 2. I have landed on my hip sustaining a stable fracture to the pelvis.
>
> So at least 25-33% of your crashes resulted in a direct impact to your
> hip.

Which even candyass professors know is not a valid sample (see your own
comments below to point 3.

>
>> 3. I know many people who have crashed. The most common injury of a
>> serious
>> nature involved collarbone/shoulder injuries.
>
> In fact, this is what the research demonstrates.
>
>> None, other than me, involved
>> hip/pelvis structural injuries. The most common injury is road rash.
>> Hip/pelvis fractures/breaks are, thankfully, relatively rare.
>> ******Soft
>> tissue
>> damage to the hip***** back and legs is no doubt more common.
>
> Well there you go: contrary to your initial comment, you apparently
> understand that people often land on their hips.

People often land on their side, hip, hands and arms in the same crash
resulting in road rash and muscle damage. Direct falls on the hip severe
enough to brake the pelvis, ball and/or socket are much more rare.

If you'd been this explicit in your first posting then I wouldn't have
had to rag on you. Maybe next time you'll think about the words you've
actually typed before hitting 'send' (but I doubt it).

Andy Coggan

Maybe next time you'll read carefully and politely raise any questions you
might have.

I did read carefully. You wrote "...how many crashes result in a direct
impact to either hip? Probably not a very high percentage." In fact, as
you now admit, people frequently land on their hips (even if they don't
often do so hard enough to break anything).

As for being polite, all I can say is, if you can't stand the heat,
then stay out of the kitchen.

Andy Coggan

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> >> >> > Consequences of falling/crashing on artificial hip? What Pro
> >> >> > can
> >> >> > go
> >> >> > through a full season without falling? Most folks fall to the
> >> >> > left
> >> >> > and
> >> >> > Landis is having right hip replaced ...
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Best,
> >> >> > Bill Black
> >> >> >
> >> >> It's a risk but how many crashes result in a direct impact to
> >> >> either
> >> >> hip?
> >> >> Probably not a very high percentage.
> >> >
> >> > You haven't crashed much, have you?
> >> >
> >> > Andy Coggan
> >> >
> >> 1. I haven't crashed much (3 or 4 in 25 years).
> >> 2. I have landed on my hip sustaining a stable fracture to the
> >> pelvis.
> >
> > So at least 25-33% of your crashes resulted in a direct impact to
> > your
> > hip.
>
> Which even candyass professors know is not a valid sample (see your
> own
> comments below to point 3.
>
> >
> >> 3. I know many people who have crashed. The most common injury of a
> >> serious
> >> nature involved collarbone/shoulder injuries.
> >
> > In fact, this is what the research demonstrates.
> >
> >> None, other than me, involved
> >> hip/pelvis structural injuries. The most common injury is road
> >> rash.
> >> Hip/pelvis fractures/breaks are, thankfully, relatively rare.
> >> ******Soft
> >> tissue
> >> damage to the hip***** back and legs is no doubt more common.
> >
> > Well there you go: contrary to your initial comment, you apparently
> > understand that people often land on their hips.
>
> People often land on their side, hip, hands and arms in the same crash
> resulting in road rash and muscle damage. Direct falls on the hip
> severe
> enough to brake the pelvis, ball and/or socket are much more rare.

If you'd been this explicit in your first posting then I wouldn't have
had to rag on you. Maybe next time you'll think about the words you've
actually typed before hitting 'send' (but I doubt it).

Andy Coggan

Maybe next time you'll read carefully and politely raise any questions
you
might have.

I did read carefully. You wrote "...how many crashes result in a direct
impact to either hip? Probably not a very high percentage." In fact, as
you now admit, people frequently land on their hips (even if they don't
often do so hard enough to break anything).

Go to the library at your excellent university and look up the meaning of
the word "direct." Your institutioin does have a library, correct?

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As for being polite, all I can say is, if you can't stand the heat,
then stay out of the kitchen.

Heat isn't a problem, candyass.

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Andy Coggan

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Probably not a very high percentage.

You haven't crashed much, have you?

Andy Coggan

Andy, a lot of us grew up in the Coca Cola generation.

If you're under 40, you belong to a generation that saw a huge downturn
in the amount of milk consumed during the crucial pre-teen years (where
the bulk of bone DENSITY is ganied) and a corresponding (almost
identical) upturn in the amount of carbonated beverages consumed. Not
a big deal in and of itself, but the instance of forearm and hip
fractures among those who grew up in this time period skyrocketed in a
similar manner also,. It has been well documented in medical studies.

It might have less to do with force (or body position), and more to do
with bone density.

I drank a fair amount of milk when I was little, but by age 10, my
'frig was always stocked with a fresh 2-liter bottle of Coke (and
plenty more waiting in the garage). Amazing that I do not have type 2
diabetes by now.

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> Consequences of falling/crashing on artificial hip? What Pro can go
> through a full season without falling? Most folks fall to the left and
> Landis is having right hip replaced ...
>
> Best,
> Bill Black
>
It's a risk but how many crashes result in a direct impact to either hip?
Probably not a very high percentage.

You haven't crashed much, have you?

Andy Coggan

1. I haven't crashed much (3 or 4 in 25 years).
2. I have landed on my hip sustaining a stable fracture to the pelvis.
3. I know many people who have crashed. The most common injury of a serious
nature involved collarbone/shoulder injuries. None, other than me, involved
hip/pelvis structural injuries. The most common injury is road rash.
Hip/pelvis fractures/breaks are, thankfully, relatively rare. Soft tissue
damage to the hip back and legs is no doubt more common.

I've crashed badly 6 times in the past 11 years. Three of those had
bone injuries confirmed in X-rays:

Once I cracked some ribs (mtn bike landing on a curb flipping me off),
2000.

Once I fractured my scapula (road bike corner descent). 2004.

And once I completely separated my shoulder (road bike bad cornering on
off camber downhill), the shoulder still has the 3rd degree AMC
separation. 1997.

A couple of those times my thumb was bent but do not think it was
fractured and elbow was knocked around, but chipped?

-Ken

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Consequences of falling/crashing on artificial hip? What Pro can go
through a full season without falling? Most folks fall to the left and
Landis is having right hip replaced ...

Best,
Bill Black

Part of it depends on the bearing surface - if you fracture a ceramic cup or
ball....bad [censored] man.

I doubt he'll do the ceramic thing though. I'm guessing metal on metal.

-Andy B.