Fake radar

David Lloyd said:

OK, everyone has heard about radar detectors, but is there any such as
a fake radar? I think it would be a good thing to have to make radar
detector owners think there is a speed trap about when there isn't
one, so putting them off putting their foot down.

I suspect such an item (whilst MOST amusing) would
breach laws about radio frequency transmitting.

BugBear

David Lloyd said:

OK, everyone has heard about radar detectors, but is there any such as
a fake radar? I think it would be a good thing to have to make radar
detector owners think there is a speed trap about when there isn't
one, so putting them off putting their foot down.

I would have thought it would be quite easy to build a transmitter of
the right frequency, however it may not be legal as there is a lot of
legislation about what frequencies the public can use. Also it could
possibly interfere with legitimate users of radar detectors and other
devices.

If you installed one permanently in a location, local people would
become used to it, and ignore it.

Martin.

David Lloyd said:

OK, everyone has heard about radar detectors, but is there any such as
a fake radar? I think it would be a good thing to have to make radar
detector owners think there is a speed trap about when there isn't
one, so putting them off putting their foot down.

I have noticed the odd gardener put a pole in their garden with a bright
yellow rectangular box, about 1ft cube, on the top. Often near a boundary
next to a road. Its a wierd design for a nestbox, but each to their own.

I'm afraid that any form of transmitter will put you the wrong side of the
wireless and telegraphy regulations. If caught, the penalties can be
serious.

- Nigel

--
Nigel Cliffe,
Webmaster at http://www.2mm.org.uk/

bugbear said:

David Lloyd said:

OK, everyone has heard about radar detectors, but is there any such as
a fake radar? I think it would be a good thing to have to make radar
detector owners think there is a speed trap about when there isn't
one, so putting them off putting their foot down.

I suspect such an item (whilst MOST amusing) would
breach laws about radio frequency transmitting.

BugBear

Good point. I think things like the radar detectors are really
irresponsible. A guy in the office has just got one. Self-administered
breath tests are another one.

David Lloyd

In article <e321d438-a962-41ee-9cba-7dc977ff02a8
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Quoted message said:

OK, everyone has heard about radar detectors, but is there any such as
a fake radar? I think it would be a good thing to have to make radar
detector owners think there is a speed trap about when there isn't
one, so putting them off putting their foot down.

Illegal I'm afraid as were the units built by employees of a US defence
contractor which took the radar signal, doppler shifted it to 200mph and
then rebroadcast it to leave the police shaking their heads in
puzzlement.

--
Tony

"The single biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has
taken place"
George Bernard Shaw

Tony Raven said:

In article <e321d438-a962-41ee-9cba-7dc977ff02a8
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Quoted message said:

OK, everyone has heard about radar detectors, but is there any such as
a fake radar? I think it would be a good thing to have to make radar
detector owners think there is a speed trap about when there isn't
one, so putting them off putting their foot down.

Illegal I'm afraid as were the units built by employees of a US defence
contractor which took the radar signal, doppler shifted it to 200mph and
then rebroadcast it to leave the police shaking their heads in
puzzlement.

Dam it, they know how to spoil peoples' harmless fun.

David Lloyd

David Lloyd said:

Good point. I think things like the radar detectors are really
irresponsible. A guy in the office has just got one. Self-administered
breath tests are another one.

I think self-administered breath tests have a probably quite useful role
in telling people that they're still drunk _the following morning_.

It's all very well saying "the only acceptable limit is 0" but how long
after drinking do you leave it before you know you're sober again?
Alcohol is absorbed at different rates in different people.

-dan

David Lloyd said:

OK, everyone has heard about radar detectors, but is there any such as
a fake radar? I think it would be a good thing to have to make radar
detector owners think there is a speed trap about when there isn't
one, so putting them off putting their foot down.

Supermarket doors, temporary traffic lights,airport radar...

bugbear bugbear@trim_papermule.co.uk_trim said:

David Lloyd said:

OK, everyone has heard about radar detectors, but is there any such as
a fake radar? I think it would be a good thing to have to make radar
detector owners think there is a speed trap about when there isn't
one, so putting them off putting their foot down.

I suspect such an item (whilst MOST amusing) would
breach laws about radio frequency transmitting.

Popular nonetheless. I can't immediately see why you'd want to place a
microwave intruder alarm at the side of the road or the front of your
bike, but it's hard to see how it could actually be illegal to operate
a type-approved device unless the approval limited it to indoor use.

http://www.psychicgoldfish.com/text/trolling.htm

-adrian

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Quoted message said:

David Lloyd said:

OK, everyone has heard about radar detectors, but is there any such as
a fake radar? I think it would be a good thing to have to make radar
detector owners think there is a speed trap about when there isn't
one, so putting them off putting their foot down.

I have noticed the odd gardener put a pole in their garden with a bright
yellow rectangular box, about 1ft cube, on the top. Often near a boundary
next to a road. Its a wierd design for a nestbox, but each to their own.

I'm afraid that any form of transmitter will put you the wrong side of the
wireless and telegraphy regulations. If caught, the penalties can be
serious.

- Nigel

--
Nigel Cliffe,
Webmaster at http://www.2mm.org.uk/

There's an even simpler device near me in Somerset. Someone has attached a
rectangular piece of board (of a similar size to a camera box) , painted the
appropriate orange to a lamppost. It's in a 30 limit which is preceeded by
a 40 from a 60 on a quite straight road slight downhill therefore visible
from some way away.

David Lloyd said:

OK, everyone has heard about radar detectors, but is there any such as
a fake radar? I think it would be a good thing to have to make radar
detector owners think there is a speed trap about when there isn't
one, so putting them off putting their foot down.

Radar detectors are now, I believe, illegal to use now anyway(BICBW),
but devices which show locations of speed traps (Sat-Nav POI sets)
aren't.

I suggest there are very few of the former about now and much more of
the latter, so it's likely that only you would be likely to have a
problem ... in the form of illegally transmitting on a non-public
frequency.

--
Paul - [censored]

'96/'97 Landrover Discovery 300 Tdi 'Big and Butch'
'98 Suzuki DR 200 Djebel 'Small but perfectly formed'

David Lloyd said:

OK, everyone has heard about radar detectors, but is there any such as
a fake radar? I think it would be a good thing to have to make radar
detector owners think there is a speed trap about when there isn't
one, so putting them off putting their foot down.

Don't listen to the rest. All you need is one of those electronic door
openers from a supermarket. Mine used to go off every single petrol
station and supermarket I passed....

David Lloyd said:

bugbear said:

David Lloyd said:

OK, everyone has heard about radar detectors, but is there any such as
a fake radar? I think it would be a good thing to have to make radar
detector owners think there is a speed trap about when there isn't
one, so putting them off putting their foot down.

I suspect such an item (whilst MOST amusing) would
breach laws about radio frequency transmitting.

BugBear

Good point. I think things like the radar detectors are really
irresponsible. A guy in the office has just got one. Self-administered
breath tests are another one.

What's irresponsible about making sure you're not over the drink-drive
limit (say, the day after a bender)?

Paul - censored said:

David Lloyd said:

OK, everyone has heard about radar detectors, but is there any such as
a fake radar? I think it would be a good thing to have to make radar
detector owners think there is a speed trap about when there isn't
one, so putting them off putting their foot down.

Radar detectors are now, I believe, illegal to use now anyway(BICBW),
but devices which show locations of speed traps (Sat-Nav POI sets)
aren't.

I suggest there are very few of the former about now and much more of
the latter, so it's likely that only you would be likely to have a
problem ... in the form of illegally transmitting on a non-public
frequency.

My Satnav has an audible alert for speed cameras [1] but it does not
warn me of mobile cameras. I'm regularly amused by the people who, in
ignorance of the 'High Priority Enforcement' signs, the large and
repeated speed limit signs and the brightly coloured vans, still get
caught by the mobile speed camera down the road from me.

Cheers,
Luke

[1] This does not mean that I routinely break the speed limit [2]. It
does mean that I find Staffordshire's speed limits so random that I now
refuse to drive past a Staffs speed camera at a speed greater than 30
mph without very good reason.

[2] Well, I do on my bike. There are some fine descents round here.

--
Red Rose Ramblings, the diary of an Essex boy in
exile in Lancashire <http://www.shrimper.org.uk>

Paul - censored said:

Radar detectors are now, I believe, illegal to use now anyway(BICBW),
but devices which show locations of speed traps (Sat-Nav POI sets)
aren't.

Here's a radical idea for reducing still further the chance of getting
caught by a speed camera: we know that speed cameras are often moved
around to catch the poor unwary motorist out and enhance revenue
collection, *but* we also know that at any potential camera location
there has to be a speed limit in place, otherwise they can't collect.
So, why not have the sat nav display all the *potential* camera
locations (i.e. places where speed limits exist) so that the motorist
can proactively avoid getting NIPped in this way.

In rather more seriousness, a device which did that _and_ produced an
audible warning when exceeding the limit would finally put paid to the
objection that constantly monitoring the speedo is a distraction from
paying attention to the road. And it needn't be more expensive than an
ordinary satnav-with-camera-database either. It would dumb down driving
still further, but I figure that the potential market for these things
is pretty dumb already and we'd be unlikely to see much difference.

-dan

Quoted message said:

Paul - censored said:

Radar detectors are now, I believe, illegal to use now
anyway(BICBW), but devices which show locations of speed traps
(Sat-Nav POI sets) aren't.

Here's a radical idea for reducing still further the chance of
getting caught by a speed camera: we know that speed cameras are
often moved around to catch the poor unwary motorist out and enhance
revenue collection, but we also know that at any potential camera
location there has to be a speed limit in place, otherwise they can't
collect. So, why not have the sat nav display all the potential
camera locations (i.e. places where speed limits exist) so that the
motorist can proactively avoid getting NIPped in this way.

Mine does. PDA with built-in GPS and Tom-Tom Sat-Nav with speed camera
database updated monthly. The only places where cameras can be put
(legally) are already known.

Quoted message said:

In rather more seriousness, a device which did that and produced an
audible warning when exceeding the limit would finally put paid to
the objection that constantly monitoring the speedo is a distraction
from paying attention to the road. And it needn't be more expensive
than an ordinary satnav-with-camera-database either. It would dumb
down driving still further, but I figure that the potential market
for these things is pretty dumb already and we'd be unlikely to see
much difference.

Mine does a visible warning, ie the indicated road speed changes colour
to red when you go over the speed limit. I haven't checked if I can
make it 'beep' yet ... 😉
It isn't infallible though ... 😉

--
Paul - [censored]

'96/'97 Landrover Discovery 300 Tdi 'Big and Butch'
'98 Suzuki DR 200 Djebel 'Small but perfectly formed'

Paul - censored said:

Mine does. PDA with built-in GPS and Tom-Tom Sat-Nav with speed camera
database updated monthly. The only places where cameras can be put
(legally) are already known.

I remember seeing one product which boasted that you could add to its
list of known camera sites on their web site. I would imagine it
shouldn't be too hard to add your own street to that database. Even if
they need several reports from more than one person, that could be
arranged.

Graeme

On 15 Nov, 18:25, JNugent <[email hidden]>

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David Lloyd said:

bugbear wrote:

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David Lloyd wrote:

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Quoted message said:

>OK, everyone has heard about radar detectors, but is there any such as
>a fake radar? I think it would be a good thing to have to make radar
>detector owners think there is a speed trap about when there isn't
>one, so putting them off putting their foot down.

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I suspect such an item (whilst MOST amusing) would
breach laws about radio frequency transmitting.

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BugBear

Quoted message said:

Good point. I think things like the radar detectors are really
irresponsible. A guy in the office has just got one. Self-administered
breath tests are another one.

What's irresponsible about making sure you're not over the drink-drive
limit (say, the day after a bender)?

I'm more concerned about it encouraging people to drink up to the
limit, as if imparement only happens after that point.

David Lloyd

Graeme Dods said:

Paul - censored said:

Mine does. PDA with built-in GPS and Tom-Tom Sat-Nav with speed camera
database updated monthly. The only places where cameras can be put
(legally) are already known.

I remember seeing one product which boasted that you could add to its
list of known camera sites on their web site. I would imagine it
shouldn't be too hard to add your own street to that database. Even if
they need several reports from more than one person, that could be
arranged.

Graeme

That sounds like a plan.

David Lloyd