Failed therapies

"Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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You keep looking for failed alternative therapies as if that might justify
the horrors that medical science perpetrates on the innocent and
unsuspecting victims of their "practicing". You
maim and kill little children in the name of "practicing" medicine.
Go away until you can figure it out.

One must wonder when they will finish "practicing" and be qualified to DO.

"Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Quoted message said:

You keep looking for failed alternative therapies as if that might
justify the horrors that medical science perpetrates on the innocent
and unsuspecting victims of their "practicing". You
maim and kill little children in the name of "practicing" medicine.
Go away until you can figure it out.

Nope. I can't speak for all the skeptics here, but if I were to learn that
a particular school of "alternative" medicine had a history of testing its
practices and weeding out those that turned out not to work (and *any*
field of practice is going to have some of those; it's just a consequence
of the fact that humans are fallible), that would make me *more* receptive
to its claims. It would suggest to me that even if there were a lot of
chaff, there might be some wheat as well, and that at least some of
the people working in the field were capable of understanding the
difference.

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"Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Quoted message said:

You keep looking for failed alternative therapies as if that might
justify the horrors that medical science perpetrates on the innocent
and unsuspecting victims of their "practicing". You
maim and kill little children in the name of "practicing" medicine.
Go away until you can figure it out.

Nope. I can't speak for all the skeptics here, but if I were to learn

that

Quoted message said:

a particular school of "alternative" medicine had a history of testing its
practices and weeding out those that turned out not to work (and *any*
field of practice is going to have some of those; it's just a consequence
of the fact that humans are fallible), that would make me *more* receptive
to its claims. It would suggest to me that even if there were a lot of
chaff, there might be some wheat as well, and that at least some of
the people working in the field were capable of understanding the
difference.

(W)holistic medicine uses vitamin and mineral supplementation and herbal
teas and energy alignment that requires no machines and no touching. The
result is there is nothing intrusive, threatening or dangerous that can go
wrong. No harm can be done. If you understand what this is, there just are
not harmful substances used. There are no maiming or killing side effects
such as exist in some drugs. It is all based on naturally occuring things
that
haven't been materially altered. If you overdose you may have some diahrrea
but suffer no harm. That is the reason that double blind studies aren't
done.
There aren't needed. Demanding it is the means by which the drug companies
try to suppress the spread sale of supplements. This deception is becoming
widely understood by the population.

We have all kinds of new and ever more powerful natural products occuring
on the market. Bing Han Refined Ginseng Powder is an excellent example of
a powerful pure, natural food product that has an incredible ability to
balance
and restore our immune system. This product has been in Canada for 3 years
and has helped thousands of people. It has just arrived in the U.S. in
September.
We have already helped several hundred people in the U.S. who were awaiting
its arrival.

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Subject: Re: Failed therapies
From: "Dave" [email hidden]
Date: 10/15/2003 8:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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(W)holistic medicine uses vitamin and mineral supplementation and herbal
teas and energy alignment that requires no machines and no touching. The

snipped rest of plaguarized stuff

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The
result is there is nothing intrusive, threatening or dangerous that can go
wrong. No harm can be done.

oh...so the "vits and mineral and herbs" are NOT ingested??

plus the FDA disproves that your ginseng is "materially altered" ie contains
pesticides....

again...no attributions ..

hawki

Dave said:

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"Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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<snip>

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(W)holistic medicine uses vitamin and mineral supplementation and
herbal teas and energy alignment that requires no machines and no
touching. The result is there is nothing intrusive, threatening or
dangerous that can go wrong. No harm can be done.

Other than the insistence from some "practitioners" that convential
medicine is not needed. Whilst the gullible are "experimenting" and the
" dubious practitioners" aim at becoming "fat cats", proven remedies are
ignored to the detriment of the sufferer.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Dave said:

You keep looking for failed alternative therapies as if that might justify
the horrors that medical science perpetrates on the innocent and
unsuspecting victims of their "practicing". You
maim and kill little children in the name of "practicing" medicine.
Go away until you can figure it out.

Glowlife Dave, you have yet to produce evidence to back up your
assertion that the children who were radiated for cancer before the
study you described were in any way "maimed" by the radiation. Whenever
it is pointed out that you can't back up your assertion, you either
laugh or retreat to the same refrain you just used.

The question won't go away.
--
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

In article <[email hidden]>,

Dave said:

"Eric Bohlman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

"Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote in
news:[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

You keep looking for failed alternative therapies as if that might
justify the horrors that medical science perpetrates on the innocent
and unsuspecting victims of their "practicing". You
maim and kill little children in the name of "practicing" medicine.
Go away until you can figure it out.

Nope. I can't speak for all the skeptics here, but if I were to learn

that

Quoted message said:

a particular school of "alternative" medicine had a history of testing its
practices and weeding out those that turned out not to work (and *any*
field of practice is going to have some of those; it's just a consequence
of the fact that humans are fallible), that would make me *more* receptive
to its claims. It would suggest to me that even if there were a lot of
chaff, there might be some wheat as well, and that at least some of
the people working in the field were capable of understanding the
difference.

(W)holistic medicine uses vitamin and mineral supplementation and
herbal teas and energy alignment that requires no machines and no
touching. The result is there is nothing intrusive, threatening or
dangerous that can go wrong. No harm can be done.

But we have pointed out several examples of things that CAN go wrong
with these therapies and where harm CAN be done. Ignoring them doesn't
make them go away.

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If you understand
what this is, there just are not harmful substances used. There are
no maiming or killing side effects such as exist in some drugs. It is
all based on naturally occuring things that haven't been materially
altered.

Really? You sell Ginseng powder. Turning the Ginseng root into Ginseng
"powder" certainly qualifies as "materially" altering the Ginseng root.
Similarly, extracting supplements and vitamins from their "natural"
sources can also qualify as "materially altering them."

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If you overdose you may have some diahrrea but suffer no
harm.

But Glowlife Dave, you just said that nothing can go wrong, that there
can't be any side effects. Well, diarrhea is a side effect.

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That is the reason that double blind studies aren't done. There
aren't needed.

[censored]. Without double-blind studies (or even lesser power studies),
there's no way of knowing if your "treatments" actually do what you
claim they do.

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Demanding it is the means by which the drug companies
try to suppress the spread sale of supplements.

[censored] again. Drug companies are major sellers of supplements. Making
supplements has become a profitable side business for many major
pharmaceutical companies.

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This deception is
becoming widely understood by the population.

No, the only deception here is coming from MLM'ers like you, who make
hugely exaggerated (not to mention scientifically unsupported) claims
for the health benefits of your product in order to sell it to desperate
or gullible people for nearly $300 for a 150 g tin. Doing double-blind
studies would risk your business's profitability if those studies failed
to support your grandiose claims for your product.

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We have all kinds of new and ever more powerful natural products
occuring on the market. Bing Han Refined Ginseng Powder is an
excellent example of a powerful pure, natural food product that has
an incredible ability to balance and restore our immune system.

What is the scientific evidence that your Ginseng Powder "restores" the
immune system?

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This
product has been in Canada for 3 years and has helped thousands of
people.

And what is the evidence that it has helped anyone?

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It has just arrived in the U.S. in September. We have already
helped several hundred people in the U.S. who were awaiting its
arrival.

And what is the evidence that it has helped anyone?
--
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

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dickinson said:

Dave said:

"Eric Bohlman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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<snip>

Quoted message said:

(W)holistic medicine uses vitamin and mineral supplementation and
herbal teas and energy alignment that requires no machines and no
touching. The result is there is nothing intrusive, threatening or
dangerous that can go wrong. No harm can be done.

Other than the insistence from some "practitioners" that convential
medicine is not needed. Whilst the gullible are "experimenting" and the
" dubious practitioners" aim at becoming "fat cats", proven remedies are
ignored to the detriment of the sufferer.

Not to mention the staggering ignorance of someone who proclaims, with
a straight face, that vitamins and minerals can't possibly do any
harm. The concept of hypervitaminosis just passes some people by.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"I hate quotations. Tell me what you know." -- R. W. Emerson

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(David Wright) said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

dickinson said:

Dave said:

"Eric Bohlman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> "Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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<snip>

Quoted message said:

(W)holistic medicine uses vitamin and mineral supplementation and
herbal teas and energy alignment that requires no machines and no
touching. The result is there is nothing intrusive, threatening or
dangerous that can go wrong. No harm can be done.

Other than the insistence from some "practitioners" that convential
medicine is not needed. Whilst the gullible are "experimenting" and the
" dubious practitioners" aim at becoming "fat cats", proven remedies are
ignored to the detriment of the sufferer.

Not to mention the staggering ignorance of someone who proclaims, with
a straight face, that vitamins and minerals can't possibly do any
harm. The concept of hypervitaminosis just passes some people by.

Indeed. The fat-soluble vitamins in particular can be toxic at excessive
doses.
--
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

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In article <[email hidden]>,

dickinson said:

Dave said:

"Eric Bohlman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> "Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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<snip>

Quoted message said:

(W)holistic medicine uses vitamin and mineral supplementation and
herbal teas and energy alignment that requires no machines and no
touching. The result is there is nothing intrusive, threatening or
dangerous that can go wrong. No harm can be done.

Other than the insistence from some "practitioners" that convential
medicine is not needed. Whilst the gullible are "experimenting" and the
" dubious practitioners" aim at becoming "fat cats", proven remedies are
ignored to the detriment of the sufferer.

Not to mention the staggering ignorance of someone who proclaims, with
a straight face, that vitamins and minerals can't possibly do any
harm. The concept of hypervitaminosis just passes some people by.

That's because it is a concept invented by the drug companies to shovel
down
the throats of their "brainwashed" to try to discredit vitamins as a health
benefit.
Obviously you swallowed it. LOL

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In article <[email hidden]>,

Dave said:

You keep looking for failed alternative therapies as if that might

justify

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

the horrors that medical science perpetrates on the innocent and
unsuspecting victims of their "practicing". You
maim and kill little children in the name of "practicing" medicine.
Go away until you can figure it out.

Glowlife Dave, you have yet to produce evidence to back up your
assertion that the children who were radiated for cancer before the
study you described were in any way "maimed" by the radiation. Whenever
it is pointed out that you can't back up your assertion, you either
laugh or retreat to the same refrain you just used.

The question won't go away.

The answer won't go away either. This is snipped from The Connecticut
Children's
Medical Center

http://www.ccmckids.org/departments/hema_takingcharge_radiation.htm .

This is maiming...............

RADIATION THERAPY

Radiation Therapy is the use of high energy rays to stop cancer cells from
reproducing. It is often a necessary part of cancer treatment. It affects
normal cells and cancer cells during active cycles of cell division. In
children, because all cells are dividing for growth, radiation therapy may
damage normal body cells in addition to cancer cells. The amount of
radiation damage depends on factors such as the type and amount of radiation
given, the part of the body treated, the age of the patient at the time of
treatment, and the type of chemotherapy or drug therapy used. Individuals
treated with high-dose radiation at young ages are at greatest risk for
radiation damage.

Radiation affects normal cells by preventing growth in bone, soft tissues
and muscles. Adults who had radiation therapy to one side of the body during
childhood may have less fat, muscle and other soft tissues on the irradiated
side of the body. This difference, called asymmetry, may become more
noticeable with weight gain. Maintaining normal weight will make this
problem less noticeable.

When radiation therapy is given to the abdomen, or areas which include the
kidney(s) or liver, blood test called chemistry profiles should be done to
make sure these organs are functioning normally. The kidney helps regulate
blood pressure. Blood pressure is a measure of the push of blood against the
walls of the arteries. High blood pressure (hypertension) means the heart is
straining to pump blood through the arteries. High blood pressure is
unhealthy because it can lead to heart disease, hardening of the arteries
and stroke. Any adult who has had radiation to the kidney may be at greater
risk for high blood pressure.

Since high blood pressure does not usually have any noticeable symptoms, it
is important to have your blood pressure checked several times each year.
This can be done at your doctor's office or, perhaps at your place of
employment. You can help keep your blood pressure normal by keeping your
weight normal, exercising moderately and reducing salt use. This is
especially true for adults with a single kidney.

Radiation therapy to the chest may cause lung or heart problems. Depending
upon the dose to the heart, problems similar to those experienced generally,
may occur at earlier ages. Shortness of breath should be reported to your
doctor who may order a pulmonary function test or cardiac evaluations to
make sure the lungs and heart are functioning properly. Smoking causes lungs
cancer, emphysema and other disorders and should be avoided especially if
you had radiation to the chest.

Radiation may increase the risk of developing another cancer in the
irradiated area. Your physician should examine the skin, muscles and deeper
organs that were so treated. Avoidance of excess exposure to the sun is
especially important.

Women who had radiation to the chest should examine their breasts each month
and have periodic mammograms starting at age 25.

Radiation to the head may affect the thyroid gland, the eyes, and the teeth.
Thyroid palpation (feeling the thyroid), should be done as part of your
annual physical examination. Eye and dental examinations should be performed
yearly. Cataracts may develop earlier than generally expected, but managed
easily. Those who had radiation to the mouth and jaw may need closer dental
supervision.

While radiation to the ovaries or testes may lead to infertility or
sterility, it is not known to cause birth defects in offspring of adults
treated for childhood cancer. Newer technologies may offer opportunities for
parenting and can be discussed with a specialist.

When relatively high doses of radiation are directed at tissues responsible
for producing hormones, such as the thyroid gland, the pituitary gland, and
the gonads, the levels of these hormones will need to be evaluated and
replacements offered, if necessary.

During young childhood relatively doses of radiation directed to an area
that includes the brain, may produce problems with remembering information
or learning. A specialist may help with this kind of problem.

--

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"Eric Bohlman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

"Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Quoted message said:

You keep looking for failed alternative therapies as if that might
justify the horrors that medical science perpetrates on the innocent
and unsuspecting victims of their "practicing". You
maim and kill little children in the name of "practicing" medicine.
Go away until you can figure it out.

Nope. I can't speak for all the skeptics here, but if I were to learn

that

Quoted message said:

a particular school of "alternative" medicine had a history of testing

its

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

practices and weeding out those that turned out not to work (and *any*
field of practice is going to have some of those; it's just a

consequence

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

of the fact that humans are fallible), that would make me *more*

receptive

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

to its claims. It would suggest to me that even if there were a lot of
chaff, there might be some wheat as well, and that at least some of
the people working in the field were capable of understanding the
difference.

(W)holistic medicine uses vitamin and mineral supplementation and herbal
teas and energy alignment that requires no machines and no touching. The
result is there is nothing intrusive, threatening or dangerous that can go
wrong. No harm can be done. If you understand what this is, there just are
not harmful substances used. There are no maiming or killing side effects
such as exist in some drugs. It is all based on naturally occuring things
that
haven't been materially altered. If you overdose you may have some

diahrrea

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but suffer no harm. That is the reason that double blind studies aren't
done.

Nonsense! Plants contain some of the most toxic substances known. Many
thousands of people have been harmed, even killed, by "natural" herbal
remedies. Ephedra is a recent example.

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There aren't needed. Demanding it is the means by which the drug companies
try to suppress the spread sale of supplements. This deception is becoming
widely understood by the population.

This could not be further from the truth. It is the conventional
pharmaceuticals that are held to the 'proven safe and effective' standard.
The altie big businesses are allowed to call their products "supplements"
and make any outrageous medical claims they like about them so long as they
do ot do so on the label. What little testing of these products occurs,
happens at government expense, and is only for the presence of contaminants
such as the toxic pesticides and fungicides that have been found in Bing Han
Refined Panax Ginseng Powder.

Quoted message said:

We have all kinds of new and ever more powerful natural products occuring
on the market. Bing Han Refined Ginseng Powder is an excellent example of
a powerful pure, natural food product that has an incredible ability to
balance
and restore our immune system.

This make my point. You are allowed to make this statement without violating
any FDA regulations, even though you know nothing at all about human
immunity, and could not describe how "imbalance" of an immune system would
affect its function.

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This product has been in Canada for 3 years
and has helped thousands of people. It has just arrived in the U.S. in
September.
We have already helped several hundred people in the U.S. who were

awaiting

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its arrival.

Thus several hundred people have livers and kidneys working overtime to rid
their bodies of pesticide and fungicide loads, while they naively write
their testimonials for ginseng.

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Dave said:

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In article <[email hidden]>,

dickinson said:

Dave wrote:
> "Eric Bohlman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> news:[email hidden]...
>> "Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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<snip>
> (W)holistic medicine uses vitamin and mineral supplementation and
> herbal teas and energy alignment that requires no machines and no
> touching. The result is there is nothing intrusive, threatening or
> dangerous that can go wrong. No harm can be done.

Other than the insistence from some "practitioners" that convential
medicine is not needed. Whilst the gullible are "experimenting" and the
" dubious practitioners" aim at becoming "fat cats", proven remedies are
ignored to the detriment of the sufferer.

Not to mention the staggering ignorance of someone who proclaims, with
a straight face, that vitamins and minerals can't possibly do any
harm. The concept of hypervitaminosis just passes some people by.

That's because it is a concept invented by the drug companies to
shovel down the throats of their "brainwashed" to try to discredit
vitamins as a health benefit. Obviously you swallowed it. LOL

Laugh, clown. You've advanced from being a mere spamming nuisance to
an actual menace to public health.

Are you truly so stupid and ignorant that you don't realize that
vitamins can be harmful in excess? Particularly vitamins A, D, K,
B3 and B6? This is not a matter of opinion. It's not propaganda.
It's not just the fat-soluble vitamins, either.

Minerals are even worse, in terms of the danger of overdose.

And it would amuse me mightily to see you given large quantities of
all the major trace minerals and the aforementioned vitamins. Since
I'm not an MD, I'm allowed to enjoy the suffering of others, as long
as they're vermin like you.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"I hate quotations. Tell me what you know." -- R. W. Emerson

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Orac said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

(David Wright) said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

dickinson said:

Dave wrote:
> "Eric Bohlman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> news:[email hidden]...
>> "Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote in
>> news:[email hidden]:
<snip>
> (W)holistic medicine uses vitamin and mineral supplementation and
> herbal teas and energy alignment that requires no machines and no
> touching. The result is there is nothing intrusive, threatening or
> dangerous that can go wrong. No harm can be done.

Other than the insistence from some "practitioners" that convential
medicine is not needed. Whilst the gullible are "experimenting" and the
" dubious practitioners" aim at becoming "fat cats", proven remedies are
ignored to the detriment of the sufferer.

Not to mention the staggering ignorance of someone who proclaims, with
a straight face, that vitamins and minerals can't possibly do any
harm. The concept of hypervitaminosis just passes some people by.

Indeed. The fat-soluble vitamins in particular can be toxic at excessive
doses.

The minerals are worse -- the difference between a healthy amount and
a dangerous amount is usually narrower with minerals than with
vitamins.

However, it's probably also worth emphasizing that some of the water-
soluble vitamins can also be toxic, in particular B3 (niacin) and B6.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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In article <[email hidden]>,

Dave said:

"David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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In article <[email hidden]>,
dickinson <[email hidden]> wrote:
>Dave wrote:
>> "Eric Bohlman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>> news:[email hidden]...
>>> "Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote in
>>> news:[email hidden]:
><snip>
>> (W)holistic medicine uses vitamin and mineral supplementation and
>> herbal teas and energy alignment that requires no machines and no
>> touching. The result is there is nothing intrusive, threatening or
>> dangerous that can go wrong. No harm can be done.
>
>Other than the insistence from some "practitioners" that convential
>medicine is not needed. Whilst the gullible are "experimenting" and

the

Quoted message said:

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>" dubious practitioners" aim at becoming "fat cats", proven remedies

are

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>ignored to the detriment of the sufferer.

Not to mention the staggering ignorance of someone who proclaims, with
a straight face, that vitamins and minerals can't possibly do any
harm. The concept of hypervitaminosis just passes some people by.

That's because it is a concept invented by the drug companies to
shovel down the throats of their "brainwashed" to try to discredit
vitamins as a health benefit. Obviously you swallowed it. LOL

Laugh, clown. You've advanced from being a mere spamming nuisance to
an actual menace to public health.

Are you truly so stupid and ignorant that you don't realize that
vitamins can be harmful in excess? Particularly vitamins A, D, K,
B3 and B6? This is not a matter of opinion. It's not propaganda.
It's not just the fat-soluble vitamins, either.
Minerals are even worse, in terms of the danger of overdose.

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And it would amuse me mightily to see you given large quantities of
all the major trace minerals and the aforementioned vitamins. Since
I'm not an MD, I'm allowed to enjoy the suffering of others, as long
as they're vermin like you.

You mistakenly think I have called you ignorant as in name calling.
I call you ignorant because you are ignorant of the most fundamental health.
Perhaps you need this......

ig·no·rant ( P ) Pronunciation Key (gnr-nt)
adj.
Lacking education or knowledge.
Showing or arising from a lack of education or knowledge: an
ignorant mistake.
Unaware or uninformed.

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Dave said:

"David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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In article <[email hidden]>,

Dave said:

"David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> In article <[email hidden]>,
> dickinson <[email hidden]> wrote:
> >Dave wrote:
> >> "Eric Bohlman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> >> news:[email hidden]...
> >>> "Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote in
> >>> news:[email hidden]:
> ><snip>
> >> (W)holistic medicine uses vitamin and mineral supplementation and
> >> herbal teas and energy alignment that requires no machines and no
> >> touching. The result is there is nothing intrusive, threatening or
> >> dangerous that can go wrong. No harm can be done.
> >
> >Other than the insistence from some "practitioners" that
> >convential medicine is not needed. Whilst the gullible are
> >"experimenting" and the "dubious practitioners" aim at becoming
> >"fat cats", proven remedies are ignored to the detriment of the
> >sufferer.
>
> Not to mention the staggering ignorance of someone who proclaims, with
> a straight face, that vitamins and minerals can't possibly do any
> harm. The concept of hypervitaminosis just passes some people by.

That's because it is a concept invented by the drug companies to
shovel down the throats of their "brainwashed" to try to discredit
vitamins as a health benefit. Obviously you swallowed it. LOL

Laugh, clown. You've advanced from being a mere spamming nuisance to
an actual menace to public health.

Are you truly so stupid and ignorant that you don't realize that
vitamins can be harmful in excess? Particularly vitamins A, D, K,
B3 and B6? This is not a matter of opinion. It's not propaganda.
It's not just the fat-soluble vitamins, either.
Minerals are even worse, in terms of the danger of overdose.

Quoted message said:

And it would amuse me mightily to see you given large quantities of
all the major trace minerals and the aforementioned vitamins. Since
I'm not an MD, I'm allowed to enjoy the suffering of others, as long
as they're vermin like you.

You mistakenly think I have called you ignorant as in name calling.

Is there another meaning? In any event, the ignorance is yours, since
you are unaware that excesses of vitamins and minerals can be harmful.

If you think that an excess of vitamins or minerals cannot be harmful,
we can set up a little experiment to show you, in person, how wrong
you are. It will be a lot of fun (for me, but not for you).

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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Dave said:

"Orac" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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In article <[email hidden]>,

Dave said:

You keep looking for failed alternative therapies as if that might

justify

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the horrors that medical science perpetrates on the innocent and
unsuspecting victims of their "practicing". You
maim and kill little children in the name of "practicing" medicine.
Go away until you can figure it out.

Glowlife Dave, you have yet to produce evidence to back up your
assertion that the children who were radiated for cancer before the
study you described were in any way "maimed" by the radiation. Whenever
it is pointed out that you can't back up your assertion, you either
laugh or retreat to the same refrain you just used.

The question won't go away.

The answer won't go away either. This is snipped from The Connecticut
Children's
Medical Center

http://www.ccmckids.org/departments/hema_takingcharge_radiation.htm .

This is maiming...............

It depends on what you mean by "maim":

maim: To disable or disfigure, usually by depriving of the use of a limb
or other part of the body.

(From the he American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language,
Fourth Edition Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Published
by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.)

The vast majority of potential radiation complications are not
"maiming." They are also all highly dependent upon where on the body the
radiation is targeted. Also, here's where the concept of risk-benefit
ratio comes in. The potential complications incurred above are from
treatments that have an 85% chance of curing a 100% fatal disease. Let's
put it this way: If it were your kid with cancer, would you consider
these risks worth it to give your kid roughly an 85% chance of surviving
(give or take, depending on the specific cancer)? I would. After all,
using your "alternative therapy" may be safe in comparison, but it is
also ineffective in producing a cure.

So you could either give your kid something that's safe but will not
cure him or something that has a risk of complications but has an 85%
chance of curing him. The choice is fairly obvious.
--
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

Spamming Dave said:

You mistakenly think I have called you ignorant as in name calling.
I call you ignorant because you are ignorant of the most fundamental health.

You mistakenly think we have called you a Spamming Bag of Steaming Feces as in
name calling. We are merely applying the most truthful, appropriate label to
you.

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Perhaps you need this......

Perhaps you need to detox from the pesticides in your ginseng.

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dickinson said:

Dave wrote:
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>> "Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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> (W)holistic medicine uses vitamin and mineral supplementation and
> herbal teas and energy alignment that requires no machines and no
> touching. The result is there is nothing intrusive, threatening or
> dangerous that can go wrong. No harm can be done.

Other than the insistence from some "practitioners" that convential
medicine is not needed. Whilst the gullible are "experimenting" and the
" dubious practitioners" aim at becoming "fat cats", proven remedies are
ignored to the detriment of the sufferer.

Not to mention the staggering ignorance of someone who proclaims, with
a straight face, that vitamins and minerals can't possibly do any
harm. The concept of hypervitaminosis just passes some people by.

That's because it is a concept invented by the drug companies to shovel
down
the throats of their "brainwashed" to try to discredit vitamins as a health
benefit.
Obviously you swallowed it. LOL

I invite you to swallow a nice polar bear liver steak and then tell us
how fictional hypervitaminosis is. Robert Peary's crew must have been
paid off by early 20th century pharma-conglomerates to fake death,
hmmm?

You're an ignorant, uneducated, money-grubbing blowhard. Peddle your
ginseng [censored] all you want, but unless you want to look like a complete
ass, quit making stupid statements like "Vitamins and minerals can do
no harm."

Mark, MD