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  1. I've never made a Lemon Meringue Pie but a friend recently
    out of hospital hinted that she'd like this to be my
    contribution to a group of friends coming to her house and,
    between us, bringing a complete pre-prepared dinner that she
    didn't have to help with.

    So I thought, "What the hell? I can do this," and googled on
    '"lemon meringue pie" recipe' and took the first that came
    up, which was
    allsands.comlemonmeringuep wnz gn.htm

    Now, I've checked back, and it seems to me that I followed
    the recipe diligently, and didn't mess up any of the
    quantities, and yet the filling didn't set. Not even close.
    It seemed to be thickening up nicely on the stove before
    pouting into the shell but, after baking, I had a handsome-
    looking pie with well-browned meringue on top that slopped
    around like a water-bed on the waves beneath. Extra cooking
    didn't help, and refrigerating didn't help.

    Any idea what went wrong? My friend said the recipe was 'way
    more complicated than any she'd seen before, but that's not
    much to go on.

    TIA

  2. Michael Rolfe said:

    I've never made a Lemon Meringue Pie but a friend recently
    out of hospital hinted that she'd like this to be my
    contribution to a group of friends coming to her house
    and, between us, bringing a complete pre-prepared dinner
    that she didn't have to help with.

    So I thought, "What the hell? I can do this," and googled
    on '"lemon meringue pie" recipe' and took the first that
    came up, which was allsands.comlemon
    meringuep_wnz_gn.htm

    Now, I've checked back, and it seems to me that I followed
    the recipe diligently, and didn't mess up any of the
    quantities, and yet the filling didn't set. Not even
    close. It seemed to be thickening up nicely on the stove
    before pouting into the shell but, after baking, I had a
    handsome-looking pie with well-browned meringue on top
    that slopped around like a water-bed on the waves beneath.
    Extra cooking didn't help, and refrigerating didn't help.

    Any idea what went wrong? My friend said the recipe was
    'way more complicated than any she'd seen before, but
    that's not much to go on.

    TIA

    Here's my recipe; it's not that much different from yours.
    The filling has never failed for me, but sometimes the
    meringue fails if I make this in hot humid weather. Your
    recipe's cooking times seem too long, but that should not
    have caused a problem. Lemon meringue is more complicated
    than a lot of pie recipes:

    Lemon Meringue Pie (for 10" pan) 2 cups sugar 2 cups water 4
    Tbsp flour 4 Tbsp cornstarch
    1/8 tsp salt 3 Tbsp butter 1 tsp grated lemon peel
    2/2 cup lemon juice 4 egg yolks (save whites for meringue)

    Combine sugar, water, starch, flour, and salt in medium
    saucepan. Cook over medium-high heat, stirring constantly,
    until thick and bubbly. Reduce heat to low and cook 2
    minutes more. Beat egg yolks slightly. Slowly beat about 1
    cup of the hot mixture into the egg yolks, then return the
    egg yolk mixture to the saucepan. Brin gto a gentle boil,
    cook and stir 2 minutes more. Stir in butter and lemon
    peel. Slowly stir in lemon juice. Pour hot filling into
    baked 10 inch pie shell. Top with meringue and seal to
    edges; bake in a 350 degree oven for about 15 minutes or
    until meringe is golden.

    Best regards, Bob

  3. "Michael Rolfe" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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    Quoted message said:

    Any idea what went wrong? My friend said the recipe was
    'way more complicated than any she'd seen before, but
    that's not much to go on.

    Right from the recipe you supplied " Thorough cooking of
    starch prevents a runny filling and gives better flavor"

    --
    Once during Prohibition I was forced to live for days on
    nothing but food and water.
    --------
    FIELDS, W. C.

  4. "Michael Rolfe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I've never made a Lemon Meringue Pie but a friend recently
    out of hospital hinted that she'd like this to be my
    contribution to a group of friends coming to her house
    and, between us, bringing a complete pre-prepared


    dinner

    Quoted message said:

    that she didn't have to help with.

    So I thought, "What the hell? I can do this," and googled
    on '"lemon meringue pie" recipe' and took the first that
    came up, which was allsands.comlemon
    meringuep_wnz_gn.htm

    Now, I've checked back, and it seems to me that I followed
    the recipe diligently, and didn't mess up any of the
    quantities, and yet the filling didn't set. Not even
    close. It seemed to be thickening up nicely on the stove
    before pouting into the shell but, after baking, I had a
    handsome-looking pie with well-browned meringue on top
    that slopped around like a water-bed on the waves beneath.
    Extra cooking didn't help, and refrigerating didn't help.

    Any idea what went wrong? My friend said the recipe was
    'way more complicated than any she'd seen before, but
    that's not much to go on.

    If the filling thickened on the stove, but thinned out
    later, it is likely that the starch broke down due to
    enzymatic action. Amylase will digest starch, turning your
    think filling into soup. You can get amylase in two places.
    Egg yolks have amylase, so if you didn't heat the filling
    long enough to denature the enzyme, it could have remained
    to digest your filing. The other source of amylase is
    saliva. If you tasted it and put the spoon back in the
    filling, especially after it was below 180F, you could have
    contaminated the filling.

  5. "Michael Rolfe" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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    Quoted message said:

    Any idea what went wrong? My friend said the recipe was
    'way more complicated than any she'd seen before, but
    that's not much to go on.

    Nothing looks wrong with the recipe, and the recipe
    seems typical for the majority of those out there.
    Having said that, I disagree about waiting until the
    filling is completely cool before pouring into the
    crust. Also, too much stirring after the filling is
    completely cooked will tend to thin down the filling.
    Cornstarch doesn't like that. :-)

    I have made the following recipe doezens of times and,
    although it may seem long and complex, it is really very
    simple. All the filling ingredients except the butter are
    cooked together.

    The meringue for this recipe is foolproof and works
    regardless of the climate.

    All in all, I have found it a wonderful pie and never use
    any other recipe! (Actually, I use my own crust recipe, but
    this one is fine.)
    ___________________________________________________________-
    __________

    Lemon Meringue Pie

    Crust 2 cups flour
    1/4 tsp. salt
    2/3 cup sugar
    3/3 cup butter or shortening OR 2/3 cup butter flavored
    shortening 2 T milk 1 egg
    4/2 tsp. baking powder

    Filling 7 egg yolks 1 1/2 T lemon zest
    5/4 cup lemon juice 1 2/3 cups water 1 1/4 cups sugar (this
    makes for a [censored] pie, increase sugar if you like your pie
    sweeter) 3 T butter
    6/3 cup corn starch

    Meringue 7 egg whites
    7/2 tsp. cream of tartar 1 1/2 cups confectioner's sugar

    Serves 6-8

    Pre-heat oven to 375°.

    Prepare crust. Mix together crust dry ingredients. Cut
    shortening or butter into dry ingredients (your bowl should
    be full of small clumps, when finished). Add beaten egg and
    mix well. Add milk 1 tablespoon at a time until mixture
    holds together (add additional milk is necessary). Use a
    rolling pin to roll dough out to approximately 1 1/4 times
    the size of pie pan. Place dough in pan and finish edges.
    Follow this link, if you need to, for more detailed pie
    crust instructions. Once your crust is neatly in the pie
    pan, use a fork to [censored] holes in the dough (this keeps it
    from puffing up while baking). Make sure to get the bottom
    and the sides with the fork. Bake crust for 15 minutes or
    until beginning to brown. Remove from oven and lower
    temperature to 325°F.

    While crust is baking, prepare filling. Whisk together all
    filling ingredients, except butter, in a heavy saucepan over
    medium heat. Use whisk to stir constantly until filling
    begins to boil (about 15 minutes). Filling should be fairly
    thick at this point and it will continue to thicken as the
    process continues. Remove filling from heat and whisk in
    butter. Continue stirring until butter is completely melted.
    Pour filling into baked crust.

    Prepare the meringue using an electric mixer. Beat egg
    whites until foamy. Beat in cream of tartar. Gradually beat
    in sugar, 1/4 cup at a time. Continue to beat at high speed
    until egg whites are stiff and glossy (about 7 or 8
    minutes). Use a rubber spatula to spread the egg white over
    the pie. Be sure that all edges of the pie crust are sealed
    with meringue. If you miss a spot, your meringue will shrink
    up and your pie will not look good.

    Bake the pie for 25 minutes then reduce the temperature to
    275°F and bake for about 50 minutes more. The meringue
    should be set and a golden brown when the pie is ready.
    Remove from oven and cool completely. Store uncovered in the
    refrigerator.

    ©2003 FabulousFoods.com

    --
    Wayne in Phoenix

    Big on natural foods?? 82.38% of people die of
    "natural" causes.

  6. Michael Rolfe said:


    Any idea what went wrong? My friend said the recipe was
    'way more complicated than any she'd seen before, but
    that's not much to go on.

    Cornstarch only needs a couple of minutes of stirring when
    it boils to thicken and lose its starchy flavour. After some
    time (don't know how long) it will also lose its thickening
    feature. Maybe you overcooked it.

  7. "hahabogus" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    "Michael Rolfe" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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    Quoted message said:

    Any idea what went wrong? My friend said the recipe
    was 'way more complicated than any she'd seen before,
    but that's not much to go on.

    Right from the recipe you supplied " Thorough cooking of
    starch prevents a runny filling and gives better flavor"

    Yeahbut. [cough, whine] I did that. "Bring to a full boil
    over direct heat. Turn heat to low setting and cook 6 to 8
    minutes more, stirring often." Followed to the letter.

  8. "Michael Rolfe" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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    Quoted message said:


    "hahabogus" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Michael Rolfe" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    :"]news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    Any idea what went wrong? My friend said the recipe
    was 'way more complicated than any she'd seen before,
    but that's not much to go on.

    Right from the recipe you supplied " Thorough cooking
    of starch prevents a runny filling and gives better
    flavor"

    Yeahbut. [cough, whine] I did that. "Bring to a full
    boil over direct heat. Turn heat to low setting and cook
    6 to 8 minutes more, stirring often." Followed to the
    letter.

    Well if it didn't thicken you either didn't add enough
    thickener or you didn't cook it long enough. The thickener
    (corn starch) is pretty reliable if you add enough and boil
    it while *constantly stiring*....

    Which your recipe doesn't say. You perhaps should've stirred
    more frequently

    --
    Once during Prohibition I was forced to live for days on
    nothing but food and water.
    --------
    FIELDS, W. C.

  9. hahabogus said:

    "Michael Rolfe" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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    Quoted message said:

    "hahabogus" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Michael Rolfe" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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    > Any idea what went wrong? My friend said the recipe
    > was 'way more complicated than any she'd seen before,
    > but that's not much to go on.
    >
    Right from the recipe you supplied " Thorough cooking
    of starch prevents a runny filling and gives better
    flavor"

    Yeahbut. [cough, whine] I did that. "Bring to a full
    boil over direct heat. Turn heat to low setting and cook
    6 to 8 minutes more, stirring often." Followed to the
    letter.

    Well if it didn't thicken you either didn't add enough
    thickener or you didn't cook it long enough. The thickener
    (corn starch) is pretty reliable if you add enough and
    boil it while *constantly stiring*....

    Which your recipe doesn't say. You perhaps should've
    stirred more frequently

    Corn starch doesn't really need much cooking. It gelatinizes
    just below the boiling point of water. You can see it gel
    because it gets clear at that point. And, yes, it needs to
    be cooked gently and stirred constantly to get any cooked
    starch off the sides and bottom of the saucepan.

    But that recipe from the OP was way too complicated. For
    the thousands of LM pies we made in our restaurants, we
    combined *all* the ingredients except the eggs right up
    front. Cooked it until it gelled and did the "temper the
    eggs" thing and finished that way. Poured it into the shell
    and chilled it. Italian meringue to finish. Browned with a
    Bernz-O-Matic torch.

    Pastorio

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