Fabian Cancellara

"Andre" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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What the hell is going on with him? He manages to lose only 19 seconds
to Levi on the hardest stage, and then falls apart against the clock.
With a chance to win the Tour of California, he has failed badly.

Andre

Quote from Fabian post stage 5

"For him and [others] the Tour of California is the biggest race.
For me the Tour de Suisse is maybe the same. He is good here
and he has a rest after, but for me it is not the end - I still have
to work hard to be serious for the next race. I have Flanders
and Roubaix on my head."

Fabrizio Mazzoleni said:

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What the hell is going on with him? He manages to lose only 19 seconds
to Levi on the hardest stage, and then falls apart against the clock.
With a chance to win the Tour of California, he has failed badly.

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Andre

Quote from Fabian post stage 5

"For him and [others] the Tour of California is the biggest race.
For me the Tour de Suisse is maybe the same. He is good here
and he has a rest after, but for me it is not the end - I still have
to work hard to be serious for the next race. I have Flanders
and Roubaix on my head."

excuses...he got kicked in the teeth in his own specialty.

Andre said:

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What the hell is going on with him? He manages to lose only 19 seconds
to Levi on the hardest stage, and then falls apart against the clock.
With a chance to win the Tour of California, he has failed badly.
Andre

Quote from Fabian post stage 5

"For him and [others] the Tour of California is the biggest race.
For me the Tour de Suisse is maybe the same. He is good here
and he has a rest after, but for me it is not the end - I still have
to work hard to be serious for the next race. I have Flanders
and Roubaix on my head."

excuses...he got kicked in the teeth in his own specialty.

No [censored]. Sore loser I would say. For him to say the ToC is Levi's
biggest race is really a joke. Where did Levi place relative to Fatboy
Cancellara in last year's tour day france?

/dave a

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> What the hell is going on with him? He manages to lose only 19 seconds
> to Levi on the hardest stage, and then falls apart against the clock.
> With a chance to win the Tour of California, he has failed badly.
>             Andre
Quote from Fabian post stage 5

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Quoted message said:

"For him and [others] the Tour of California is the biggest race.
For me the Tour de Suisse is maybe the same. He is good here
and he has a rest after, but for me it is not the end - I still have
to work hard to be serious for the next race. I have Flanders
and Roubaix on my head."

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excuses...he got kicked in the teeth in his own specialty.

No [censored].  Sore loser I would say.  For him to say the ToC is Levi's
biggest race is really a joke.  Where did Levi place relative to Fatboy
Cancellara in last year's tour day france?

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Rank Rider Team Time
1 Alberto Contador Discovery Channel Pro Cycling Team 91h 00'26"
2 Cadel Evans Predictor-Lotto 23"
3 Levi Leipheimer Discovery Channel Pro Cycling Team 31"
4 Carlos Sastre Team CSC 7'08"
5 Haimar Zubeldia Euskaltel-Euskadi 8'17"
6 Alejandro Valverde Caisse d'Epargne 11'37"
7 Kim Kirchen T-Mobile Team 12'18"
8 Yaroslav Popovych Discovery Channel Pro Cycling Team 12'25"
9 Mikel Astarloza Euskaltel-Euskadi 14'14"
10 Óscar Pereiro Caisse d'Epargne 14'25"
11 Mauricio Soler Barloworld 16'51"
12 Michael Boogerd Rabobank 21'15"
13 David Arroyo Caisse d'Epargne 21'49"
14 Vladimir Karpets Caisse d'Epargne 24'15"
15 Chris Horner Predictor-Lotto 25'19"
16 Iban Mayo* Saunier Duval-Prodir 27'09"
17 Frank Schleck Team CSC 31'48"
18 Manuel Beltran Liquigas 34'14"
19 Tadej Valjavec Lampre-Fondital 37'08"
20 Juan Jose Cobo Saunier Duval-Prodir 37'14"
21 Juan Manuel Garate Quick Step-Innergetic 38'16"
22 Iván Gutiérrez Caisse d'Epargne 45'42"
23 Amets Txurruka Euskaltel-Euskadi 49'34"
24 George Hincapie Discovery Channel Pro Cycling Team 54'50"
25 Christian Vandevelde Team CSC 55'50"
26 Dmitriy Fofonov Crédit Agricole 56'23"
27 Stephane Goubert AG2R Prévoyance 1h 06'30"
28 Jens Voigt Team CSC 1h 08'22"
29 Patxi Vila Lampre-Fondital 1h 09'37"
30 Patrice Halgand Crédit Agricole 1h 12'45"
31 Bernhard Kohl Team Gerolsteiner 1h 13'27"
32 Kanstantsin Siutsou Barloworld 1h 15'16"
33 Alexander Botcharov Crédit Agricole 1h 22'25"
34 Markus Fothen Team Gerolsteiner 1h 30'12"
35 Thomas Dekker Rabobank 1h 30'34"
36 Linus Gerdemann T-Mobile Team 1h 30'47"
37 Christophe Moreau AG2R Prévoyance 1h 33'06"
38 Vladimir Gusev Discovery Channel Pro Cycling Team 1h 33'50"
39 Moises Duenas Nevado Agritubel 1h 36'33"
40 Bram Tankink Quick Step-Innergetic 1h 36'44"
41 Marzio Bruseghin Lampre-Fondital 1h 36'44"
42 Carlos Barredo Quick Step-Innergetic 1h 36'46"
43 Iñigo Landaluze Euskaltel-Euskadi 1h 36'50"
44 Ludovic Turpin AG2R Prévoyance 1h 44'54"
45 Charles Wegelius Liquigas 1h 46'25"
46 Xavier Florencio Bouygues Télécom 1h 52'19"
47 Christian Knees Team Milram 1h 53'23"
48 Gorka Verdugo Euskaltel-Euskadi 1h 53'32"
49 David de la Fuente Saunier Duval-Prodir 1h 54'50"
50 Ruben Perez Euskaltel-Euskadi 1h 56'15"
51 Inigo Cuesta Team CSC 1h 58'45"
52 Jose Luis Arrieta AG2R Prévoyance 2h 00'07"
53 Iker Camaño Saunier Duval-Prodir 2h 05'17"
54 John Gadret AG2R Prévoyance 2h 06'50"
55 Cédric Vasseur Quick Step-Innergetic 2h 08'14"
56 Dario Cioni Predictor-Lotto 2h 10'42"
57 Nicolas Portal Caisse d'Epargne 2h 15'14"
58 Laurent Lefevre Bouygues Télécom 2h 15'17"
59 Michael Albasini Liquigas 2h 18'35"
60 Fabian Wegmann Team Gerolsteiner 2h 19'36"
61 Egoi Martinez Discovery Channel Pro Cycling Team 2h 20'16"
62 Axel Merckx T-Mobile Team 2h 21'00"
63 Johan Van Summeren Predictor-Lotto 2h 21'57"
64 Thomas Lövkvist Française des Jeux 2h 22'50"
65 Sergio Paulinho Discovery Channel Pro Cycling Team 2h 23'21"
66 Thomas Voeckler Bouygues Télécom 2h 24'34"
67 Kurt-Asle Arvesen Team CSC 2h 24'36"
68 Jerome Pineau Bouygues Télécom 2h 24'59"
69 David Millar Saunier Duval-Prodir 2h 32'07"
70 Mario Aerts Predictor-Lotto 2h 32'58"
71 Sandy Casar Française des Jeux 2h 33'46"
72 Francisco Perez Sanchez Caisse d'Epargne 2h 37'25"
73 Frederik Willems Liquigas 2h 37'41"
74 Martin Elmiger AG2R Prévoyance 2h 37'41"
75 Daniele Bennati Lampre-Fondital 2h 38'30"
76 Kjell Carlström Liquigas 2h 39'34"
77 Christophe Rinero Saunier Duval-Prodir 2h 40'59"
78 Andriy Hryvko Team Milram 2h 41'41"
79 Erik Zabel Team Milram 2h 42'28"
80 Juan Miguel Mercado Agritubel 2h 44'27"
81 Ronny Scholz Team Gerolsteiner 2h 44'39"
82 Jorge Azanza Euskaltel-Euskadi 2h 50'30"
83 Benoit Vaugrenard Française des Jeux 2h 50'54"
84 Pierrick Fédrigo Bouygues Télécom 2h 53'42"
85 Juan Antonio Flecha Rabobank 2h 55'58"
86 Grischa Niermann Rabobank 2h 56'09"
87 Stefan Schumacher Team Gerolsteiner 2h 56'30"
88 Alessandro Ballan Lampre-Fondital 2h 57'05"
89 Aleksandr Kuschynski Liquigas 2h 58'46"
90 Iñaki Isasi Euskaltel-Euskadi 2h 59'37"
91 José Vicente García Caisse d'Epargne 3h 00'38"
92 Nicolas Vogondy Agritubel 3h 00'50"
93 Johann Tschopp Bouygues Télécom 3h 07'19"
94 Simon Gerrans AG2R Prévoyance 3h 09'19"
95 Paolo Bossoni Lampre-Fondital 3h 09'56"
96 Daniele Righi Lampre-Fondital 3h 10'35"
97 Lilian Jegou Française des Jeux 3h 14'11"
98 Anthony Geslin Bouygues Télécom 3h 14'15"
99 Alexander Efimkin Barloworld 3h 14'19"
100 Fabian Cancellara Team CSC 3h 15'48"
101 Murilo Fischer Liquigas 3h 16'08"
102 Freddy Bichot Agritubel 3h 16'58"
103 David Cañada Saunier Duval-Prodir 3h 17'19"
104 Sébastien Rosseler Quick Step-Innergetic 3h 18'25"
105 Bert Grabsch T-Mobile Team 3h 19'58"
106 Félix Cardenas Barloworld 3h 19'58"
107 Julian Dean Crédit Agricole 3h 21'57"
108 Matteo Tosatto Quick Step-Innergetic 3h 22'14"
109 William Bonnet Crédit Agricole 3h 22'59"
110 Leif Hoste Predictor-Lotto 3h 23'02"
111 Giampaolo Cheula Barloworld 3h 23'11"
112 Mathieu Ladagnous Française des Jeux 3h 23'17"
113 Manuel Quinziato Liquigas 3h 23'42"
114 Nicolas Jalabert Agritubel 3h 24'02"
115 Benjamin Noval Discovery Channel Pro Cycling Team 3h 24'13"
116 Ralf Grabsch Team Milram 3h 24'35"
117 Mickael Delage Française des Jeux 3h 24'46"
118 Robert Hunter Barloworld 3h 26'12"
119 Tom Boonen Quick Step-Innergetic 3h 26'19"
120 Marcel Sieberg Team Milram 3h 26'48"
121 Bernhard Eisel T-Mobile Team 3h 26'57"
122 Alessandro Cortinovis Team Milram 3h 27'04"
123 Steven de Jongh Quick Step-Innergetic 3h 27'45"
124 Paolo Longo Borghini Barloworld 3h 27'48"
125 Benoit Salmon Agritubel 3h 28'59"
126 Claudio Corioni Lampre-Fondital 3h 29'26"
127 Marcus Burghardt T-Mobile Team 3h 29'37"
128 Pieter Weening Rabobank 3h 31'49"
129 Heinrich Haussler Team Gerolsteiner 3h 32'30"
130 Sébastien Chavanel Française des Jeux 3h 35'25"
131 Enrico Poitschke Team Milram 3h 35'28"
132 Sébastien Hinault Crédit Agricole 3h 35'37"
133 Peter Wrolich Team Gerolsteiner 3h 36'05"
134 Bram de Groot Rabobank 3h 37'46"
135 Robert Förster Team Gerolsteiner 3h 40'10"
136 Anthony Charteau Crédit Agricole 3h 40'44"
137 Sven Krauss Team Gerolsteiner 3h 40'51"
138 Gert Steegmans Quick Step-Innergetic 3h 41'38"
139 Thor Hushovd Crédit Agricole 3h 41'57"
140 Geraint Thomas Barloworld 3h 46'51"
141 Wim Vansevenant Predictor-Lotto 3h 52'54"

Andre said:

Dave said:

Where did Levi place relative to Fatboy
Cancellara in last year's tour day france?

Rank Rider Team Time
1 Alberto Contador Discovery Channel Pro Cycling Team 91h 00'26"
2 Cadel Evans Predictor-Lotto 23"
3 Levi Leipheimer Discovery Channel Pro Cycling Team 31"

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100 Fabian Cancellara Team CSC 3h 15'48"

That's a little clearer, no?

R

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Fabrizio Mazzoleni said:

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> What the hell is going on with him? He manages to lose only 19 seconds
> to Levi on the hardest stage, and then falls apart against the clock.
> With a chance to win the Tour of California, he has failed badly.
> Andre
Quote from Fabian post stage 5

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

"For him and [others] the Tour of California is the biggest race.
For me the Tour de Suisse is maybe the same. He is good here
and he has a rest after, but for me it is not the end - I still have
to work hard to be serious for the next race. I have Flanders
and Roubaix on my head."

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excuses...he got kicked in the teeth in his own specialty.

No [censored]. Sore loser I would say. For him to say the ToC is Levi's
biggest race is really a joke. Where did Levi place relative to Fatboy
Cancellara in last year's tour day france?

/dave a

But which one of them is going to be watching it on TV this year?

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Andre said:

Fabrizio Mazzoleni said:

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> What the hell is going on with him? He manages to lose only 19 seconds
> to Levi on the hardest stage, and then falls apart against the clock.
> With a chance to win the Tour of California, he has failed badly.
> Andre
Quote from Fabian post stage 5

"For him and [others] the Tour of California is the biggest race.
For me the Tour de Suisse is maybe the same. He is good here
and he has a rest after, but for me it is not the end - I still have
to work hard to be serious for the next race. I have Flanders
and Roubaix on my head."

excuses...he got kicked in the teeth in his own specialty.

No [censored]. Sore loser I would say. For him to say the ToC is Levi's
biggest race is really a joke. Where did Levi place relative to Fatboy
Cancellara in last year's tour day france?

/dave a

You guys know nothing. Take Fabian at his word. If you would like to beat
your own insecurities out on someone, pick on Dave Z... he was off his game,
on his speciality, in his home country, and he has questions to answer re:
facial hair.

Why don't you look up how many days each of them wore the yellow jersey last
year?

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RicodJour said:

Andre said:

Dave said:

Where did Levi place relative to Fatboy
Cancellara in last year's tour day france?

Rank Rider Team Time
1 Alberto Contador Discovery Channel Pro Cycling Team 91h 00'26"
2 Cadel Evans Predictor-Lotto 23"
3 Levi Leipheimer Discovery Channel Pro Cycling Team 31"

{snip}

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100 Fabian Cancellara Team CSC 3h 15'48"

That's a little clearer, no?

Cancellara won the prologue and one stage, and wore the Yellow Jersey
for seven days. Leipheimer sucked wheel for 3 weeks. Can you remember
a single thing that he did during the whole race? Most pros would
rather have Cancellara's results that Leipheimer.

jyh.

jean-yves hervé said:

Cancellara won the prologue and one stage, and wore the Yellow Jersey
for seven days. Leipheimer sucked wheel for 3 weeks. Can you remember
a single thing that he did during the whole race?

Yes.
http://anonymous.coward.free.fr/rbr/tdf07-19-splits.png

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jean-yves hervé said:

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RicodJour said:

Andre said:

On Feb 23, 1:07 pm, Dave <[email hidden]> wrote:

> Where did Levi place relative to Fatboy
> Cancellara in last year's tour day france?

Rank Rider Team Time
1 Alberto Contador Discovery Channel Pro Cycling Team 91h 00'26"
2 Cadel Evans Predictor-Lotto 23"
3 Levi Leipheimer Discovery Channel Pro Cycling Team 31"

{snip}

Quoted message said:

100 Fabian Cancellara Team CSC 3h 15'48"

That's a little clearer, no?

Cancellara won the prologue and one stage, and wore the Yellow Jersey
for seven days. Leipheimer sucked wheel for 3 weeks. Can you remember
a single thing that he did during the whole race? Most pros would
rather have Cancellara's results that Leipheimer.

Yeah, but he's really _good_ at sucking wheel.
He had to be a stealth wheel sucker to hide
it from the rest of the team who were trying
to get his team mate the win.

--
Michael Press

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jean-yves hervé said:

In article
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RicodJour said:

Andre said:

On Feb 23, 1:07 pm, Dave <[email hidden]> wrote:

> Where did Levi place relative to Fatboy
> Cancellara in last year's tour day france?

Rank Rider Team Time
1 Alberto Contador Discovery Channel Pro Cycling Team 91h 00'26"
2 Cadel Evans Predictor-Lotto 23"
3 Levi Leipheimer Discovery Channel Pro Cycling Team 31"

{snip}

Quoted message said:

100 Fabian Cancellara Team CSC 3h 15'48"

That's a little clearer, no?

Cancellara won the prologue and one stage, and wore the Yellow Jersey
for seven days. Leipheimer sucked wheel for 3 weeks. Can you remember
a single thing that he did during the whole race? Most pros would
rather have Cancellara's results that Leipheimer.

Yeah, but he's really _good_ at sucking wheel.
He had to be a stealth wheel sucker to hide
it from the rest of the team who were trying
to get his team mate the win.

--
Michael Press

TM said:

Why don't you look up how many days each of them wore the yellow jersey last
year?

Yeah, the number of days one wears the yellow, as long as it doesn't
include the podium in Paris, is pretty forgettable. I had to look it
up, too.

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TM said:

Why don't you look up how many days each of them wore the yellow jersey
last
year?

Yeah, the number of days one wears the yellow, as long as it doesn't
include the podium in Paris, is pretty forgettable. I had to look it
up, too.

I call [censored] on that. Others may have had to look that up, but you?

My point is that there are a lot of ways to succeed as a bike racer and if
you can win Paris Roubaix and a hilly little time trial leading up to it you
would be named Merckx and not Axle.

TM said:

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> "For him and [others] the Tour of California is the biggest race.
> For me the Tour de Suisse is maybe the same. He is good here
> and he has a rest after, but for me it is not the end - I still have
> to work hard to be serious for the next race. I have Flanders
> and Roubaix on my head."

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Quoted message said:

excuses...he got kicked in the teeth in his own specialty.

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No [censored].  Sore loser I would say.  For him to say the ToC is Levi's
biggest race is really a joke.  Where did Levi place relative to Fatboy
Cancellara in last year's tour day france?

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/dave a

You guys know nothing.  Take Fabian at his word.

Dumbass -

He can say what he wants about how little the TdCali means to him and
we can take him at his word.

Him saying that it's the most important race to Leipheimer, however,
is absurd. Let other people speak for themselves.

I'm not a fan of Mr. Gunn, but I seriously doubt whether the ToCali is
his most important race.

thanks,

K. Gringioni.

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Cancellara won the prologue and one stage, and wore the Yellow Jersey
for seven days. Leipheimer sucked wheel for 3 weeks. Can you remember
a single thing that he did during the whole race?

Yes.
http://anonymous.coward.free.fr/rbr/tdf07-19-splits.png

Oh, that? Well, *I* had completely forgotten about it. Why did you
have to inject facts into this thread? If I say you're gay and a
liberal, am I allowed to act as if your post never happened?

jyh.

jean-yves hervé said:

Oh, that? Well, *I* had completely forgotten about it. Why did you
have to inject facts into this thread? If I say you're gay and a
liberal, am I allowed to act as if your post never happened?

Works for TK.

Kurgan Gringioni said:

He can say what he wants about how little the TdCali means to him and
we can take him at his word.

Him saying that it's the most important race to Leipheimer, however,
is absurd. Let other people speak for themselves.

I'm not a fan of Mr. Gunn, but I seriously doubt whether the ToCali is
his most important race.

Its a throwaway line from a guy whose first language isn't English.
I wouldn't read to much into it.

The ToC is a training race for him. And it *is* more important to
the Americans in the race than it is to him. I wouldn't take it any
further than that.

Now I'm going back to sleep until Milan-San Remo.

Bob Schwartz

Bob Schwartz said:

Kurgan Gringioni said:

He can say what he wants about how little the TdCali means to him and
we can take him at his word.

Him saying that it's the most important race to Leipheimer, however,
is absurd. Let other people speak for themselves.

I'm not a fan of Mr. Gunn, but I seriously doubt whether the ToCali is
his most important race.

Its a throwaway line from a guy whose first language isn't English.
I wouldn't read to much into it.

The ToC is a training race for him. And it *is* more important to
the Americans in the race than it is to him. I wouldn't take it any
further than that.

Now I'm going back to sleep until Milan-San Remo.

Bob Schwartz

FC better be ready to throw down some serious [censored] at that Tour day
Swiss thing.

/dave a