FA: Last Day! AMBROSIO CRONO rims

Gemma_k said:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7136019868

36 hole. Pair. Super-strong sub 320g double-eyelet road rim! Retail
$120/pair.
Museeuw's favorite...
Currently no bids, no reserve US$19.99!
Will post anywhere.

While we're on the topic of ebay..

FA: Bullhorn/Stoker bars:
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7137252748

hippy 🙂

hippy said:

FA: Bullhorn/Stoker bars:
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7137252748

Yep, I'll have them thanks. Everyone else just bugger off right :-)

Brian.

Resound said:

Heh, made myself a pair a few weeks back. Cut drop bars. Invert. Refit
hardware and bartape. Field questions from oddly enthusiastic old men
wanting to know where you got those funky bars. Easy.

Oi! You're talking me out of a sale! :P

I have a set of normal drop bars that I can put up too if anyone wants
to do the mod thing 🙂

hippy

Resound said:

"Brian Watson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

hippy said:

FA: Bullhorn/Stoker bars:
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7137252748

Yep, I'll have them thanks. Everyone else just bugger off right :-)

Brian.

Heh, made myself a pair a few weeks back. Cut drop bars. Invert. Refit
hardware and bartape. Field questions from oddly enthusiastic old men
wanting to know where you got those funky bars. Easy.

Yeah, I could do that but all the old road bars I have laying about are
tiny little 30-something wide. I need at least 42cm.

I've already got a set of 42cm Profile Airwings, but I don't think(1) I
like the drop. I spend almost all my time riding on the flats of the
bars, but they are not flat and my hands are always twisted out and I
get sore hands. I am hoping that the flatter flats will help.

Anyone got any experiences to share?

Thanks,

Brian.

1. It could also be the fact that I am riding a frame that I have
"borrowed" from my brother, is a little too big for me and has parallel
78 degree geometry!

"hippy" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Resound said:

Heh, made myself a pair a few weeks back. Cut drop bars. Invert. Refit
hardware and bartape. Field questions from oddly enthusiastic old men
wanting to know where you got those funky bars. Easy.

Oi! You're talking me out of a sale! :P

I have a set of normal drop bars that I can put up too if anyone wants
to do the mod thing 🙂

hippy

Sorry...opened mouth without engaging brain. Happens of an evening.

hippy said:

Resound said:

Heh, made myself a pair a few weeks back. Cut drop bars. Invert. Refit
hardware and bartape. Field questions from oddly enthusiastic old men
wanting to know where you got those funky bars. Easy.

Oi! You're talking me out of a sale! :P

I have a set of normal drop bars that I can put up too if anyone wants
to do the mod thing 🙂

hippy

Yeah but chopped drop bars are nowhere near as comfy as TT bars, I reckon.

--
Nick

Brian Watson said:

Resound said:

"Brian Watson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

hippy wrote:

> FA: Bullhorn/Stoker bars:
> http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7137252748

Yep, I'll have them thanks. Everyone else just bugger off right :-)

Brian.

Heh, made myself a pair a few weeks back. Cut drop bars. Invert. Refit
hardware and bartape. Field questions from oddly enthusiastic old men
wanting to know where you got those funky bars. Easy.

Yeah, I could do that but all the old road bars I have laying about are
tiny little 30-something wide. I need at least 42cm.

I've already got a set of 42cm Profile Airwings, but I don't think(1) I
like the drop. I spend almost all my time riding on the flats of the
bars, but they are not flat and my hands are always twisted out and I
get sore hands. I am hoping that the flatter flats will help.

Anyone got any experiences to share?

Thanks,

Brian.

1. It could also be the fact that I am riding a frame that I have
"borrowed" from my brother, is a little too big for me and has parallel
78 degree geometry!

That's interesting Brian. I actually prefer the flats that aren't flats.

Geez 78 is high. That's pretty full on even for a track bike. My roadie
has a 69 degree seat tube.

--
Nick

NickZX6R said:

Brian Watson said:

1. It could also be the fact that I am riding a frame that I have
"borrowed" from my brother, is a little too big for me and has
parallel 78 degree geometry!

That's interesting Brian. I actually prefer the flats that aren't flats.

Geez 78 is high. That's pretty full on even for a track bike. My roadie
has a 69 degree seat tube.

Nick,
Yeah, I'm not very confident that these will fix my hand pain, but I
want another set of bars anyway and if I can get them cheap I might as
well give them a go.

69 degrees seems really slack! When I measured mine at 78 (manually,
with a protractor, so give or take a degree) I went and looked at
geometry from from most of the big manufacturers and around 72-75 looks
"normal". I suspect mine used to be a tri bike - it came with the
airwings and had clip-on aero bars as well. Re-reading Sheldon Brown's
frame page supports my suspicion.

I have a real fit problem here as I really like the way this frame
rides. For short (really short < 1km!) rides it feels really nice, I
like the way it turns etc. I just get this hand pain. I have tried
going to a short, tall (I can't think of another place where I could
describe something as short and tall, but I trust you know what I mean)
to get me more upright but this does not help. My next step will be to
try a long, low stem and see if I can get my back to take _some_ of the
weight of my hands.

Deep down I know that the only way to be comfortable with a 78 degree
seat tube is with aero bars (which I don't want/need) and I am going to
have to get another frame :-(

Brian

Brian Watson said:

Yeah, I'm not very confident that these will fix my hand pain, but I
want another set of bars anyway and if I can get them cheap I might as
well give them a go.

Looks like you're battling Suzy for 'em 🙂

Quoted message said:

69 degrees seems really slack! When I measured mine at 78 (manually,
with a protractor, so give or take a degree) I went and looked at
geometry from from most of the big manufacturers and around 72-75 looks
"normal". I suspect mine used to be a tri bike - it came with the
airwings and had clip-on aero bars as well. Re-reading Sheldon Brown's
frame page supports my suspicion.

Yes to all that.. I think you do need a new frame (as you suspect)
unless you are doing TT's and nothing else on it 🙂.

Alternative: Have you considered a layback/offset seatpost?
http://www.roadbikereview.com/PRD_28057_2510crx.aspx
http://www.lhthomson.com/elite_sizes.asp

I think this will give you a couple of degrees "slackness" but it could
all manner of dodgy things to your position (not that you are happy with
it anyway!) so I still reckon getting a proper road frame will be your
best bet.

hippy

Brian Watson said:

When I measured mine at 78 (manually, with a protractor, so
give or take a degree) I went and looked at geometry from
from most of the big manufacturers and around 72-75 looks
"normal".

It was popular back in the late eighties and early nineties to have sloping top-tubes on time trial bikes, but sloping downward from the seat to the head tube, rather than the way mountain bikes and modern compact frames do.

If you're assuming the top tobe is horizontal, and measuring angles to it, then you could be a long way off. Best to check with a level or plumb-bob.

It's quite common for tri-specific bikes to have very steep seat tubes (75-78 degrees) but the only bikes I've ever seen with head tubes steeper than about 74 degrees have been track bikes, and sprint-specific track bikes at that. Anything over 74-75 degrees head angle is begging for serious toe-overlap problems, unless it's an enormous frame. Tri bikes are usually fairly tame in head angle - something around 72-73 degrees...

Regards,

Suzy

hippy said:

Brian Watson said:

Yeah, I'm not very confident that these will fix my hand pain, but
I want another set of bars anyway and if I can get them cheap I might
as well give them a go.

Looks like you're battling Suzy for 'em 🙂

Sorry, I have strict rules about eBay - I don't battle anyone for
anything. I see it purely as scavenging :-) If I am going to pay real
money for something (very rare) I go to the LBS.

Brian

P.S. did anyone else watch the set of PD-M505s go for $71 + $8.50 P&P??
You can get them at Phantom for $49.95 + $6.50 P&P!! I am after a 2nd
set of SPD (compatible) pedals but with the money people are paying for
all sorts of rubbish on eBay it looks like I will be off to the LBS for
a set of PD-M520s...

Brian Watson said:

P.S. did anyone else watch the set of PD-M505s go for $71 + $8.50 P&P??
You can get them at Phantom for $49.95 + $6.50 P&P!! I am after a 2nd
set of SPD (compatible) pedals but with the money people are paying for
all sorts of rubbish on eBay it looks like I will be off to the LBS for
a set of PD-M520s...

There are bargains too though. Buyers just need to know what to pay.

OT/SPAM: Speaking of rubbish:
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5168838854
(someone has bid on them!!)

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7138638336
(fresh stupidity!)

hippy

suzyj said:

Brian Watson said:

When I measured mine at 78 (manually, with a protractor, so
give or take a degree) I went and looked at geometry from
from most of the big manufacturers and around 72-75 looks
"normal".

It was popular back in the late eighties and early nineties to have
sloping top-tubes on time trial bikes, but sloping downward from the
seat to the head tube, rather than the way mountain bikes and modern
compact frames do.

If you're assuming the top tobe is horizontal, and measuring angles to
it, then you could be a long way off. Best to check with a level or
plumb-bob.

It's quite common for tri-specific bikes to have very steep seat tubes
(75-78 degrees) but the only bikes I've ever seen with head tubes
steeper than about 74 degrees have been track bikes, and
sprint-specific track bikes at that. Anything over 74-75 degrees head
angle is begging for serious toe-overlap problems, unless it's an
enormous frame. Tri bikes are usually fairly tame in head angle -
something around 72-73 degrees...

Sorry - I lied to everyone. After seeing the "incredulity" here and the
other reading I had done I went and re-measured. I measured all the
tubes and cross axes. Then used the cosine rule to work out the angles.
I also printed up a couple of pictures I have and measured them with a
protractor (yes, I know - not accurate but as a sanity check with the
other measurements...) and I now believe it to be 57x57 and 75 degrees
parallel. Still steep, but not strange.

Here is a pic. if you are at all interested:

http://businessprojects.com.au/IMG_0042.jpg

but be aware that that URL points to a server at my end of an ADSL
connection and I have never posted a link to it before. I'll be
interested to see if it survives :-)

Brian.

P.S. - still watching the Stoker Bars...

Brian Watson said:

I also printed up a couple of pictures I have and measured them with a
protractor (yes, I know - not accurate but as a sanity check with the
other measurements...) and I now believe it to be 57x57 and 75 degrees
parallel. Still steep, but not strange.

Similar to my Pug - I think it's about 75deg,
56x56cm though (C-C).

Quoted message said:

Here is a pic. if you are at all interested:
http://businessprojects.com.au/IMG_0042.jpg

Is it fixed or ss?

Quoted message said:

but be aware that that URL points to a server at my end of an ADSL
connection and I have never posted a link to it before. I'll be
interested to see if it survives :-)

It's working at the mo'

Quoted message said:

P.S. - still watching the Stoker Bars...

I'm stoked to hear that.. <boom tish>
<crickets>

hippy

hippy said:

Brian Watson said:

I also printed up a couple of pictures I have and measured them with
a protractor (yes, I know - not accurate but as a sanity check with
the other measurements...) and I now believe it to be 57x57 and 75
degrees parallel. Still steep, but not strange.

Similar to my Pug - I think it's about 75deg,
56x56cm though (C-C).

Quoted message said:

Here is a pic. if you are at all interested:
http://businessprojects.com.au/IMG_0042.jpg

Is it fixed or ss?

It is one of 4 fixed gear bikes I have and the only one that gets any
real ride time. The others are more curiosities. You already have my
Skidstar in your gallery. Now that I have a digital camera (a Cannon
Powershot A60 for $88 off the bargain table at David Jones!!) and know
the web server on the end of the ADSL thing works I will get around to
building a gallery etc. one day.

In that pic. it is 39x15 but I have just changed to 41x15 (thanks to
some 165mm Sugino BMX cranks with a GT ring off eBay) and think it is
almost perfect. I work at home so don't get to commute. I go out for
about an hour most lunch times.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

but be aware that that URL points to a server at my end of an ADSL
connection and I have never posted a link to it before. I'll be
interested to see if it survives :-)

It's working at the mo'

Yep, 4 hits - woo hoo!! So far so good. And no, there are no other
pics up yet (not even IMG_0041 or IMG_001 :-) This is mainly just a
proof of concept.

Quoted message said:

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P.S. - still watching the Stoker Bars...

I'm stoked to hear that.. <boom tish>

That got a smile, almost a laugh

Brian

Brian Watson said:

57x57 and 75 degrees parallel. Still steep, but not strange.

That's more like it.

Quoted message said:

Here is a pic. if you are at all interested:

Looks very classy.

Quoted message said:

P.S. - still watching the Stoker Bars...

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As am I, but so far they just sort of sit there on the page. Wanna know something scary? If I win 'em, they're not even gonna go on a fixed wheel. Instead, I plan on building a whole bloody tandem around em!

Then when Perry asks "why have you just blown $5K on bike bits for a tandem", I can point to the stoker bars (the ones he'll be using - ain't no way I'm going on the back of a bike - not since Steve's CBR900) and say, in all honesty, "It was because I picked up these neat stoker bars on ebay, so I just had to build a bike to use them with". I might even mention that the only reason I'm doing it is because I love him and want to be with him more 🙂

How's that for logic 🙂

Cheers,

Suzy (who's desk is starting to look awfully comfy)

Brian Watson said:

It is one of 4 fixed gear bikes I have and the only one that gets any
real ride time. The others are more curiosities. You already have my
Skidstar in your gallery. Now that I have a digital camera (a Cannon
Powershot A60 for $88 off the bargain table at David Jones!!) and know
the web server on the end of the ADSL thing works I will get around to
building a gallery etc. one day.

Nice price on the cam! 🙂

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P.S. - still watching the Stoker Bars...

Those bars have 6hrs left.. come on people.. lets have ourselves a
bidding war!! 🙂

I'll throw in some foreign bike catalogs for the first bidder over
$100k... 😉

hippy
"cappucino this, cappucino that"

hippy said:

Those bars have 6hrs left.. come on people.. lets have ourselves a
bidding war!! 🙂

Sorry, already too much like "real" money for me at $51. Just wait
until I get my web page up and you will see just how cheap a person can
be and still end up with pretty decent bikes :-)

Brian