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  1. Experts say low-carb craze may be over

    By MARGARET STAFFORD, Associated Press Writer

    KANSAS CITY, Mo. (AP) - About a year ago, Dave Champlin and his two
    roommates lived in what their friends at the University of Missouri
    called the House of Fat. At a combined weight of 890 pounds, the three
    decided to try the Atkins diet. By sticking to the low-carb,
    high-protein diet, Champlin lost about 45 pounds and his roommates
    each lost between 50 and 60 pounds.

    Despite being pleased with the results, all three were off the diet by
    this past summer and have gained back some of the weight. Champlin,
    23, and his friends exemplify why many diet and food industry experts
    are declaring the low-carb diet craze over.

    "It just got kind of tiresome," Champlin said. "Eating the same thing
    over and over. It was monotonous."

    A study by NPD Group, an independent marketing information company,
    found that the percentage of American adults on any low-carb diet in
    2004 peaked at 9.1 percent in February and dropped to 4.9 percent by
    early November.

    Further, it said only one of four people surveyed was significantly
    cutting carbs and "virtually none" were reducing carbs as much as the
    diets recommended.

    That means many companies that rode the low-carb wave are either out
    of business or refocusing their strategies.

    One example: MGP Ingredients Inc. of Atchison, Kan., which profited
    from the low-carb trend, earlier this month announced it was cutting
    its fiscal 2005 per-share earnings forecast by more than half - from
    $1.08 to no more than 50 cents.

    The reason is reduced demand for its specialty proteins and starches
    used to reduce carbohydrates in foods. MGP said low-carb demand had
    peaked, and it did not expect it to return to anywhere near the level
    that sparked a 123 percent increase in sales in the third quarter of
    fiscal 2004.

    MGP always expected the low-carb demand to cool, but it happened more
    quickly than anticipated, spokesman Steve Pickman said.

    "We expected at least to continue at its strong level for the next 18
    to 36 months," Pickman said. "We by no means feel low-carb is dead,
    but it's declined to a much lower plateau than we or the industry
    expected."

    While MGP's future is not threatened, many smaller businesses based on
    low-carb products have closed their doors, and larger companies that
    introduced low-carb foods are changing strategies.

    American Italian Pasta, the nation's largest producer of dry pasta,
    reported a net loss of $12.2 million, or 67 cents per share, in the
    second quarter of this year. The company's reduced-carb pasta was a
    flop, with sales 50 percent lower than expected. Chief Executive Tim
    Webster said the company planned to begin marketing it as a
    low-calorie, high-fiber product.

    No one expects low-carb products to disappear. ACNielsen LabelTrends
    reported that sales of products labeled for low-carb lifestyles were
    still growing but had slowed. Sales, in terms of dollars, rose only
    6.1 percent for the 13 weeks ended Sept. 25, compared to the previous
    quarter. That compared with a 105.5 percent increase in the 13 weeks
    that ended March 27.

    That decline is not surprising, even at Atkins Nutritionals Inc., a
    company founded 30 years ago by Dr. Robert C. Atkins to spread the
    low-carb gospel.

    Colette Heimowitz, vice president of education and research, said the
    market became saturated with low-carb products because companies
    joined the "diet wars" in 2004. She said many companies are expected
    to withdraw from the market because of the intense competition for
    dieters.

    Heimowitz said people have been calling the Atkins diet a fad for 30
    years. "It has already stood the test of time," she said. "There is no
    indication that it's going anywhere."

    She predicted people will continue to incorporate it into their
    lifestyle.

    That's true for Champlin, the Missouri student, who said he will
    continue to buy some low-carb products.

    "It did teach me to watch what I eat and drink," he said. "I'm not
    going to go back to how I ate before."

    Others say the decline in low-carb popularity was entirely
    predictable, much like past crazes such as low-fat or liquid diets.

    "It was overhyped from the beginning, a craze that was never a craze,"
    said Bob Goldin, executive vice president of Technomic Inc., a food
    industry research firm. "It was a little bubble that had zero staying
    power. We've been there, done that, many, many times."

    Goldin said companies suffering because they got on the low-carb
    bandwagon have only themselves to blame.

    "Everyone's always looking for the silver bullet, a magic diet or a
    magic pill," he said. "The whole industry needs to look at nutrition
    from a holistic standpoint. A lot of things go into healthy living,
    and they shouldn't look for one thing to make their fame and fortune."

  2. Of course the fad is over for those who follow it as a fad.

    The rest of us who low-carb are making it a lifetime commitment to
    better food and better health.

    And permanent weight management without counting a single damned
    calorie.

    TC

    Quoted message said:

    Experts say low-carb craze may be over

    By MARGARET STAFFORD, Associated Press Writer

    KANSAS CITY, Mo. (AP) - About a year ago, Dave Champlin and his


    two

    Quoted message said:

    roommates lived in what their friends at the University of


    Missouri

    Quoted message said:

    called the House of Fat. At a combined weight of 890 pounds, the


    three

    Quoted message said:

    decided to try the Atkins diet. By sticking to the low-carb,
    high-protein diet, Champlin lost about 45 pounds and his roommates
    each lost between 50 and 60 pounds.

    Despite being pleased with the results, all three were off the


    diet by

    Quoted message said:

    this past summer and have gained back some of the weight.


    Champlin,

    Quoted message said:

    23, and his friends exemplify why many diet and food industry


    experts

    Quoted message said:

    are declaring the low-carb diet craze over.

    "It just got kind of tiresome," Champlin said. "Eating the same


    thing

    Quoted message said:

    over and over. It was monotonous."

    A study by NPD Group, an independent marketing information


    company,

    Quoted message said:

    found that the percentage of American adults on any low-carb diet


    in

    Quoted message said:

    2004 peaked at 9.1 percent in February and dropped to 4.9 percent


    by

    Quoted message said:

    early November.

    Further, it said only one of four people surveyed was


    significantly

    Quoted message said:

    cutting carbs and "virtually none" were reducing carbs as much as


    the

    Quoted message said:

    diets recommended.

    That means many companies that rode the low-carb wave are either


    out

    Quoted message said:

    of business or refocusing their strategies.

    One example: MGP Ingredients Inc. of Atchison, Kan., which


    profited

    Quoted message said:

    from the low-carb trend, earlier this month announced it was


    cutting

    Quoted message said:

    its fiscal 2005 per-share earnings forecast by more than half -


    from

    Quoted message said:

    $1.08 to no more than 50 cents.

    The reason is reduced demand for its specialty proteins and


    starches

    Quoted message said:

    used to reduce carbohydrates in foods. MGP said low-carb demand


    had

    Quoted message said:

    peaked, and it did not expect it to return to anywhere near the


    level

    Quoted message said:

    that sparked a 123 percent increase in sales in the third quarter


    of

    Quoted message said:

    fiscal 2004.

    MGP always expected the low-carb demand to cool, but it happened


    more

    Quoted message said:

    quickly than anticipated, spokesman Steve Pickman said.

    "We expected at least to continue at its strong level for the next


    18

    Quoted message said:

    to 36 months," Pickman said. "We by no means feel low-carb is


    dead,

    Quoted message said:

    but it's declined to a much lower plateau than we or the industry
    expected."

    While MGP's future is not threatened, many smaller businesses


    based on

    Quoted message said:

    low-carb products have closed their doors, and larger companies


    that

    Quoted message said:

    introduced low-carb foods are changing strategies.

    American Italian Pasta, the nation's largest producer of dry


    pasta,

    Quoted message said:

    reported a net loss of $12.2 million, or 67 cents per share, in


    the

    Quoted message said:

    second quarter of this year. The company's reduced-carb pasta was


    a

    Quoted message said:

    flop, with sales 50 percent lower than expected. Chief Executive


    Tim

    Quoted message said:

    Webster said the company planned to begin marketing it as a
    low-calorie, high-fiber product.

    No one expects low-carb products to disappear. ACNielsen


    LabelTrends

    Quoted message said:

    reported that sales of products labeled for low-carb lifestyles


    were

    Quoted message said:

    still growing but had slowed. Sales, in terms of dollars, rose


    only

    Quoted message said:

    6.1 percent for the 13 weeks ended Sept. 25, compared to the


    previous

    Quoted message said:

    quarter. That compared with a 105.5 percent increase in the 13


    weeks

    Quoted message said:

    that ended March 27.

    That decline is not surprising, even at Atkins Nutritionals Inc.,


    a

    Quoted message said:

    company founded 30 years ago by Dr. Robert C. Atkins to spread the
    low-carb gospel.

    Colette Heimowitz, vice president of education and research, said


    the

    Quoted message said:

    market became saturated with low-carb products because companies
    joined the "diet wars" in 2004. She said many companies are


    expected

    Quoted message said:

    to withdraw from the market because of the intense competition for
    dieters.

    Heimowitz said people have been calling the Atkins diet a fad for


    30

    Quoted message said:

    years. "It has already stood the test of time," she said. "There


    is no

    Quoted message said:

    indication that it's going anywhere."

    She predicted people will continue to incorporate it into their
    lifestyle.

    That's true for Champlin, the Missouri student, who said he will
    continue to buy some low-carb products.

    "It did teach me to watch what I eat and drink," he said. "I'm not
    going to go back to how I ate before."

    Others say the decline in low-carb popularity was entirely
    predictable, much like past crazes such as low-fat or liquid


    diets.

    Quoted message said:


    "It was overhyped from the beginning, a craze that was never a


    craze,"

    Quoted message said:

    said Bob Goldin, executive vice president of Technomic Inc., a


    food

    Quoted message said:

    industry research firm. "It was a little bubble that had zero


    staying

    Quoted message said:

    power. We've been there, done that, many, many times."

    Goldin said companies suffering because they got on the low-carb
    bandwagon have only themselves to blame.

    "Everyone's always looking for the silver bullet, a magic diet or


    a

    Quoted message said:

    magic pill," he said. "The whole industry needs to look at


    nutrition

    Quoted message said:

    from a holistic standpoint. A lot of things go into healthy


    living,

    Quoted message said:

    and they shouldn't look for one thing to make their fame and


    fortune."

  3. Of course the fad is over for those who follow it as a fad.

    The rest of us who low-carb are making it a lifetime commitment to
    better food and better health.

    And permanent weight management without counting a single damned
    calorie.

    TC

    Quoted message said:

    Experts say low-carb craze may be over

    By MARGARET STAFFORD, Associated Press Writer

    KANSAS CITY, Mo. (AP) - About a year ago, Dave Champlin and his


    two

    Quoted message said:

    roommates lived in what their friends at the University of


    Missouri

    Quoted message said:

    called the House of Fat. At a combined weight of 890 pounds, the


    three

    Quoted message said:

    decided to try the Atkins diet. By sticking to the low-carb,
    high-protein diet, Champlin lost about 45 pounds and his roommates
    each lost between 50 and 60 pounds.

    Despite being pleased with the results, all three were off the


    diet by

    Quoted message said:

    this past summer and have gained back some of the weight.


    Champlin,

    Quoted message said:

    23, and his friends exemplify why many diet and food industry


    experts

    Quoted message said:

    are declaring the low-carb diet craze over.

    "It just got kind of tiresome," Champlin said. "Eating the same


    thing

    Quoted message said:

    over and over. It was monotonous."

    A study by NPD Group, an independent marketing information


    company,

    Quoted message said:

    found that the percentage of American adults on any low-carb diet


    in

    Quoted message said:

    2004 peaked at 9.1 percent in February and dropped to 4.9 percent


    by

    Quoted message said:

    early November.

    Further, it said only one of four people surveyed was


    significantly

    Quoted message said:

    cutting carbs and "virtually none" were reducing carbs as much as


    the

    Quoted message said:

    diets recommended.

    That means many companies that rode the low-carb wave are either


    out

    Quoted message said:

    of business or refocusing their strategies.

    One example: MGP Ingredients Inc. of Atchison, Kan., which


    profited

    Quoted message said:

    from the low-carb trend, earlier this month announced it was


    cutting

    Quoted message said:

    its fiscal 2005 per-share earnings forecast by more than half -


    from

    Quoted message said:

    $1.08 to no more than 50 cents.

    The reason is reduced demand for its specialty proteins and


    starches

    Quoted message said:

    used to reduce carbohydrates in foods. MGP said low-carb demand


    had

    Quoted message said:

    peaked, and it did not expect it to return to anywhere near the


    level

    Quoted message said:

    that sparked a 123 percent increase in sales in the third quarter


    of

    Quoted message said:

    fiscal 2004.

    MGP always expected the low-carb demand to cool, but it happened


    more

    Quoted message said:

    quickly than anticipated, spokesman Steve Pickman said.

    "We expected at least to continue at its strong level for the next


    18

    Quoted message said:

    to 36 months," Pickman said. "We by no means feel low-carb is


    dead,

    Quoted message said:

    but it's declined to a much lower plateau than we or the industry
    expected."

    While MGP's future is not threatened, many smaller businesses


    based on

    Quoted message said:

    low-carb products have closed their doors, and larger companies


    that

    Quoted message said:

    introduced low-carb foods are changing strategies.

    American Italian Pasta, the nation's largest producer of dry


    pasta,

    Quoted message said:

    reported a net loss of $12.2 million, or 67 cents per share, in


    the

    Quoted message said:

    second quarter of this year. The company's reduced-carb pasta was


    a

    Quoted message said:

    flop, with sales 50 percent lower than expected. Chief Executive


    Tim

    Quoted message said:

    Webster said the company planned to begin marketing it as a
    low-calorie, high-fiber product.

    No one expects low-carb products to disappear. ACNielsen


    LabelTrends

    Quoted message said:

    reported that sales of products labeled for low-carb lifestyles


    were

    Quoted message said:

    still growing but had slowed. Sales, in terms of dollars, rose


    only

    Quoted message said:

    6.1 percent for the 13 weeks ended Sept. 25, compared to the


    previous

    Quoted message said:

    quarter. That compared with a 105.5 percent increase in the 13


    weeks

    Quoted message said:

    that ended March 27.

    That decline is not surprising, even at Atkins Nutritionals Inc.,


    a

    Quoted message said:

    company founded 30 years ago by Dr. Robert C. Atkins to spread the
    low-carb gospel.

    Colette Heimowitz, vice president of education and research, said


    the

    Quoted message said:

    market became saturated with low-carb products because companies
    joined the "diet wars" in 2004. She said many companies are


    expected

    Quoted message said:

    to withdraw from the market because of the intense competition for
    dieters.

    Heimowitz said people have been calling the Atkins diet a fad for


    30

    Quoted message said:

    years. "It has already stood the test of time," she said. "There


    is no

    Quoted message said:

    indication that it's going anywhere."

    She predicted people will continue to incorporate it into their
    lifestyle.

    That's true for Champlin, the Missouri student, who said he will
    continue to buy some low-carb products.

    "It did teach me to watch what I eat and drink," he said. "I'm not
    going to go back to how I ate before."

    Others say the decline in low-carb popularity was entirely
    predictable, much like past crazes such as low-fat or liquid


    diets.

    Quoted message said:


    "It was overhyped from the beginning, a craze that was never a


    craze,"

    Quoted message said:

    said Bob Goldin, executive vice president of Technomic Inc., a


    food

    Quoted message said:

    industry research firm. "It was a little bubble that had zero


    staying

    Quoted message said:

    power. We've been there, done that, many, many times."

    Goldin said companies suffering because they got on the low-carb
    bandwagon have only themselves to blame.

    "Everyone's always looking for the silver bullet, a magic diet or


    a

    Quoted message said:

    magic pill," he said. "The whole industry needs to look at


    nutrition

    Quoted message said:

    from a holistic standpoint. A lot of things go into healthy


    living,

    Quoted message said:

    and they shouldn't look for one thing to make their fame and


    fortune."

  4. Quoted message said:


    Experts say low-carb craze may be over

    Cutting ot entire foods groups or even worse entire sources of energy
    is not a good thing.

    The only good advice of Atkins was to cut out hghly processed and
    refined sugars.

    Eat the healthy items of all food groups in reasonable amounts and
    exercise.

  5. jt said:

    On 20 Dec 2004 11:59:54 GMT, [email hidden] wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Experts say low-carb craze may be over

    Finally! Yet, another "diet" goes into the trash heap. When are
    people going to learn?

    Quoted message said:

    Cutting ot entire foods groups or even worse entire sources of energy
    is not a good thing.

    Amazing how people readily followed such an obvious gimmic.

    The "new diet revolution" was nothing more than a rehash of good
    information that's been out there for years and years, with some
    high-glycemic rubbish tossed in, and a "feel good" part that allowed
    you to eat tons of meat/protein. Basically it was continue to
    eat your greasy cheese burgers and don't worry about eating your
    vegetables. It couldn't miss... it's what everyone wanted to hear...
    and people bought it hook, line, and sinker.

    Quoted message said:

    The only good advice of Atkins was to cut out highly processed and
    refined sugars.

    And that was never news.

    Gosh, you mean eating products made of worthless pasty white flour and
    chasing it down with a gallon of soda every day will make me fat...?

    Quoted message said:

    Eat the healthy items of all food groups in reasonable amounts and
    exercise.

    Bingo!

    Patrick

  6. When people do their annual January diets, what is available to replace low
    carb? I think there will be a resurgence of low carb for a brief period.
    It is hard to imagine it being as big as last year's boom, but who knows?

    Many seem to only use low carb for a temporary period, then they return to
    high carbs and weight regain. When they make their new New Years
    resolutions, I think they will just repeat what they did last year.

    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Experts say low-carb craze may be over

    By MARGARET STAFFORD, Associated Press Writer

    KANSAS CITY, Mo. (AP) - About a year ago, Dave Champlin and his two
    roommates lived in what their friends at the University of Missouri
    called the House of Fat. At a combined weight of 890 pounds, the three
    decided to try the Atkins diet. By sticking to the low-carb,
    high-protein diet, Champlin lost about 45 pounds and his roommates
    each lost between 50 and 60 pounds.

    Despite being pleased with the results, all three were off the diet by
    this past summer and have gained back some of the weight. Champlin,
    23, and his friends exemplify why many diet and food industry experts
    are declaring the low-carb diet craze over.

    "It just got kind of tiresome," Champlin said. "Eating the same thing
    over and over. It was monotonous."

    A study by NPD Group, an independent marketing information company,
    found that the percentage of American adults on any low-carb diet in
    2004 peaked at 9.1 percent in February and dropped to 4.9 percent by
    early November.

    Further, it said only one of four people surveyed was significantly
    cutting carbs and "virtually none" were reducing carbs as much as the
    diets recommended.

    That means many companies that rode the low-carb wave are either out
    of business or refocusing their strategies.

    One example: MGP Ingredients Inc. of Atchison, Kan., which profited
    from the low-carb trend, earlier this month announced it was cutting
    its fiscal 2005 per-share earnings forecast by more than half - from
    $1.08 to no more than 50 cents.

    The reason is reduced demand for its specialty proteins and starches
    used to reduce carbohydrates in foods. MGP said low-carb demand had
    peaked, and it did not expect it to return to anywhere near the level
    that sparked a 123 percent increase in sales in the third quarter of
    fiscal 2004.

    MGP always expected the low-carb demand to cool, but it happened more
    quickly than anticipated, spokesman Steve Pickman said.

    "We expected at least to continue at its strong level for the next 18
    to 36 months," Pickman said. "We by no means feel low-carb is dead,
    but it's declined to a much lower plateau than we or the industry
    expected."

    While MGP's future is not threatened, many smaller businesses based on
    low-carb products have closed their doors, and larger companies that
    introduced low-carb foods are changing strategies.

    American Italian Pasta, the nation's largest producer of dry pasta,
    reported a net loss of $12.2 million, or 67 cents per share, in the
    second quarter of this year. The company's reduced-carb pasta was a
    flop, with sales 50 percent lower than expected. Chief Executive Tim
    Webster said the company planned to begin marketing it as a
    low-calorie, high-fiber product.

    No one expects low-carb products to disappear. ACNielsen LabelTrends
    reported that sales of products labeled for low-carb lifestyles were
    still growing but had slowed. Sales, in terms of dollars, rose only
    6.1 percent for the 13 weeks ended Sept. 25, compared to the previous
    quarter. That compared with a 105.5 percent increase in the 13 weeks
    that ended March 27.

    That decline is not surprising, even at Atkins Nutritionals Inc., a
    company founded 30 years ago by Dr. Robert C. Atkins to spread the
    low-carb gospel.

    Colette Heimowitz, vice president of education and research, said the
    market became saturated with low-carb products because companies
    joined the "diet wars" in 2004. She said many companies are expected
    to withdraw from the market because of the intense competition for
    dieters.

    Heimowitz said people have been calling the Atkins diet a fad for 30
    years. "It has already stood the test of time," she said. "There is no
    indication that it's going anywhere."

    She predicted people will continue to incorporate it into their
    lifestyle.

    That's true for Champlin, the Missouri student, who said he will
    continue to buy some low-carb products.

    "It did teach me to watch what I eat and drink," he said. "I'm not
    going to go back to how I ate before."

    Others say the decline in low-carb popularity was entirely
    predictable, much like past crazes such as low-fat or liquid diets.

    "It was overhyped from the beginning, a craze that was never a craze,"
    said Bob Goldin, executive vice president of Technomic Inc., a food
    industry research firm. "It was a little bubble that had zero staying
    power. We've been there, done that, many, many times."

    Goldin said companies suffering because they got on the low-carb
    bandwagon have only themselves to blame.

    "Everyone's always looking for the silver bullet, a magic diet or a
    magic pill," he said. "The whole industry needs to look at nutrition
    from a holistic standpoint. A lot of things go into healthy living,
    and they shouldn't look for one thing to make their fame and fortune."

  7. Quoted message said:
    jt said:

    On 20 Dec 2004 11:59:54 GMT, [email hidden] wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Experts say low-carb craze may be over

    Finally! Yet, another "diet" goes into the trash heap. When are
    people going to learn?

    Quoted message said:

    Cutting ot entire foods groups or even worse entire sources of energy
    is not a good thing.

    Amazing how people readily followed such an obvious gimmic.

    The "new diet revolution" was nothing more than a rehash of good
    information that's been out there for years and years, with some
    high-glycemic rubbish tossed in, and a "feel good" part that allowed
    you to eat tons of meat/protein. Basically it was continue to
    eat your greasy cheese burgers

    No, Burger (+bun+sauce) are high in carbs.

    Quoted message said:

    and don't worry about eating your
    vegetables.


    I eat low carb and eat lots of vegetables. And I dont eat large amounts of
    meat/eggs/bacon either.

    gtoomey

  8. "Gregory Toomey" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I eat low carb and eat lots of vegetables.

    Is this oxymoronic logic? Vegetables are carbs. How do you low carb
    while eating high carbs. If your trying to spit out that you don't eat
    simple sugar then say it otherwise share with us your medical
    marijuana.

    Quoted message said:

    And I dont eat large amounts of
    meat/eggs/bacon either.

    Sound like you don't realize you are closer to a vegetarian which I
    understand consumes just a few carbs. 😉

    -DF

  9. Doug Freese said:


    "Gregory Toomey" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I eat low carb and eat lots of vegetables.

    Is this oxymoronic logic? Vegetables are carbs. How do you low carb
    while eating high carbs. If your trying to spit out that you don't eat
    simple sugar then say it otherwise share with us your medical
    marijuana.

    The point I was making is that there are high carb vegetables
    (corn/peans/potatoes) and low carb (mushrooms/tomato/cucumber).

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    And I dont eat large amounts of
    meat/eggs/bacon either.

    Sound like you don't realize you are closer to a vegetarian which I
    understand consumes just a few carbs. 😉

    Err, there's plenty of other protein - seafood, soy protein, cheese, etc.

    gtoomey

  10. Doug Freese said:


    "Gregory Toomey" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I eat low carb and eat lots of vegetables.

    Is this oxymoronic logic? Vegetables are carbs. How do you low carb
    while eating high carbs. If your trying to spit out that you don't eat
    simple sugar then say it otherwise share with us your medical
    marijuana.

    The point I was making is that there are high carb vegetables
    (corn/peans/potatoes) and low carb (mushrooms/tomato/cucumber).

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    And I dont eat large amounts of
    meat/eggs/bacon either.

    Sound like you don't realize you are closer to a vegetarian which I
    understand consumes just a few carbs. 😉

    Err, there's plenty of other protein - seafood, soy protein, cheese, etc.

    gtoomey

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    "Gregory Toomey" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    I eat low carb and eat lots of vegetables.

    Is this oxymoronic logic? Vegetables are carbs. How do you low carb while
    eating high carbs. If your trying to spit out that you don't eat

    Low is not equal to None.

    If eating high-carb means 300g of carbs a day (as recommended by USDA), it
    would require e.g. 20 pounds of brocolli to meet this amount.

    If you do not know that low-carb for the most part means replacing grains
    and refined sugars by veggies, you know nothing and should not involve
    yourself into this kind of debate.

    BTW, just to open your eyes even a little bit wider, veggies often contain
    quite a lot of protein or fat too. There is e.g. almost as much protein in
    spinach as there is carbs. So your claim about veggies being carbs is
    completely false too. Plus a lot of fiber.

    OTOH, do not be sad about your incompetence. What you believe is what food
    industry wants you to believe. Download some nutritional tables and start
    your education. It pays off.

    Mirek

  12. Gregory Toomey said:
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    jt wrote:

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    On 20 Dec 2004 11:59:54 GMT, [email hidden] wrote:

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    >Experts say low-carb craze may be over

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    Finally! Yet, another "diet" goes into the trash heap. When are
    people going to learn?

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    Cutting ot entire foods groups or even worse entire sources of


    energy

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    is not a good thing.

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    Amazing how people readily followed such an obvious gimmic.

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    The "new diet revolution" was nothing more than a rehash of good
    information that's been out there for years and years, with some
    high-glycemic rubbish tossed in, and a "feel good" part that


    allowed

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    you to eat tons of meat/protein. Basically it was continue


    to

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    eat your greasy cheese burgers

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    No, Burger (+bun+sauce) are high in carbs.

    The bun is made of worthless pasty white flour, so you replace it with
    a whole wheat bun. The sauce I take it you're refering to is the
    ketchup and mustard. Mostly worthless corn syrup, but if you just dab
    it on the total calories are minimal. Now the greasy burger is ground
    up remains of an unknown number of different cows and is chock full of
    saturated fat and has more calories than the bun and the sauce
    combined. I say throw that away too... it's [censored].

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    and don't worry about eating your
    vegetables.

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    I eat low carb and eat lots of vegetables. And I don't eat large


    amounts of

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    meat/eggs/bacon either.

    That's good to hear. However, the "high-carb" vegtables are not what's
    making America fat. You won't find the obese choking down tons of raw
    carrots, baked potatoes and fresh corn. Why? Because you actually
    have to chew these vegetables, plus they're either filling and/or low
    calorie. So the only carbs you need to cut out are products made of
    the highly processed white flour and corn syrup.

    Patrick

  13. Mirek Fídler said:

    OTOH, do not be sad about your incompetence. What you believe is what


    food

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    industry wants you to believe.

    Mark,

    What the food industry wants us to believe is that meat from
    steroid-injected, heavily antibiotic-doped cows, nasty worthless soda
    pop, funky artificial sweetners, flour stripped of nearly all of its
    nutritional value, experiment-gone -wrong partially hydrogenated oils
    are good for us.

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    Download some nutritional tables and start your education. It pays


    off.

    Yes, it does. And so does eating real food.

    Patrick

  14. It's not over. the only thing that's over is people buying prepared low
    carb foods since most of them are not really low carb. The consumer is
    wise to their tricks. all you need to do to be low carb is buy real
    food and cook it. you don't need any gimick which is what most diet
    plans are.

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    Experts say low-carb craze may be over


    (the "experts" seemingly a couple of market research agencies).

    There are plenty of people in agriculture and the food industry who
    have suffered financially because of the popularity of low-carb diets.
    This article is doubtless just another part of their propaganda war to
    try and recover lost market share.

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    decided to try the Atkins diet. By sticking to the low-carb,
    high-protein diet, Champlin lost about 45 pounds and his roommates

    This endlessly repeated myth about Atkins being a "high protein" diet.
    Read the book. The whole rationale behind his diet is that you eat fat
    instead of carbohydrates, thus forcing your body to switch from
    carbohydrate burning to a fat burning metabolism. Eating too much
    protein would prevent that from happening, since your body converts
    excess protein into sugar. If anything, Atkins is a high fat diet, not
    high protein.

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    calorie. So the only carbs you need to cut out are products made of
    the highly processed white flour and corn syrup.

    In fact, I believe that just cutting out those would prevent weight gain in
    most of people.

    Mirek

  17. "> calorie. So the only carbs you need to cut out are products made of

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    the highly processed white flour and corn syrup.

    In fact, I believe that just cutting out those would prevent weight gain
    in most of people."

    A news article a little back noted that one soft drink a day increase in
    intake had a good correlation to the recent increases of weight because
    the calories in one can was about the right amount to account for the
    increase when projected over the same number of years.

  18. "(the "experts" seemingly a couple of market research agencies).

    There are plenty of people in agriculture and the food industry who
    have suffered financially because of the popularity of low-carb diets.
    This article is doubtless just another part of their propaganda war to
    try and recover lost market share."

    For each pound of meat around 10 pounds of grain are required, the farmers
    would be overjoyed if people ate more meat, they would gro more grain and
    raise more animals to boot.

    "This endlessly repeated myth about Atkins being a "high protein" diet.
    Read the book. The whole rationale behind his diet is that you eat fat
    instead of carbohydrates, thus forcing your body to switch from
    carbohydrate burning to a fat burning metabolism. Eating too much
    protein would prevent that from happening, since your body converts
    excess protein into sugar. If anything, Atkins is a high fat diet, not
    high protein."

    People didn't read the book, they heard through the grapevine that someone
    can eat all the meat and eggs and cheese etc. as they want and loose
    weight. An excessive of any of the macro groups gets turned into sugar,
    and then into fat which is the storage form of excessive calories. Short
    of eating lard the way people increase fat is to increase protein also,
    unless they choose to substitute veggie sources of fats. Not to worry,
    diet fads have a cycle and this one will have some time in the sun again,
    this one having been around now for more then 100 years.

  19. "It's not over. the only thing that's over is people buying prepared low
    carb foods since most of them are not really low carb. The consumer is
    wise to their tricks. all you need to do to be low carb is buy real
    food and cook it. you don't need any gimick which is what most diet"

    As the article noted, people using the diet had decreased about half
    within
    the year.

  20. Doug Freese said:

    "Gregory Toomey" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    I eat low carb and eat lots of vegetables.

    Is this oxymoronic logic? Vegetables are carbs. How do you low carb
    while eating high carbs. If your trying to spit out that you don't eat
    simple sugar then say it otherwise share with us your medical
    marijuana.

    Of course vegetables are carbs. "Low carb" does not mean "low in
    carbohydrates." It means "a diet I don't like" to some people, and "a diet
    I do like" to others. There are plenty of people here who will blast "low
    carb" diets such as South Beach, which advocate eating most vegetables in
    abundance and claim NOT to be low carb, because they are "low carb." There
    are others who will look at diets that specifically limit carbs or have
    users count carbs, and call those "low carb" diets.

    I suppose the latter point makes sense, but diets such as Atkins do allow
    certain carbs, even though they are "low carb." If a dieter can eat lots of
    vegetables and still stay below his threshold, then it's easy to say that
    he's on a low carb diet AND eats plenty of vegetables.

    If a diet has no carb counting and allows "unlimited" carb consumption (in
    the sense that a user never reaches a maximum carb consumption, after which
    he can have no more,) some will call it "low carb" if it disallows certain
    types of foods, which happen to be carbs, or if it has an induction period,
    during which some carbs are temporarily limited.

    I suppose I could call Weight Watchers a low carb diet since it won't allow
    me to eat a cheese pizza, which has a high carb crust, or a Hardee's 1/2 lb
    burger with its 60 carbs, etc.

    The reality is that most diets limit or disallow some foods that are high in
    carbs, and allow other foods that are carbs (and may even be high in carbs.)
    It's far more important to look at what people actually eat, and I think the
    idea of calling any diet a "low carb" diet, unless it specifically limits
    daily intake of carbs to a certain low level, makes little sense.

    The problem with Atkins is not that it limits carbs. It's quite possible to
    stick to Atkins by the letter and have a healthful diet. The problem is
    that it's also possible to be "on Atkins" and eat a terrible diet, avoid
    vegetables, stick to lots of fatty meats, etc. I don't know if that's what
    Atkins specifically recommends. But that's been the perception for decades.
    If it's true, it's a legitimate concern, even if you don't have to tailor
    your diet that way.

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