Exercise and Age

Red Cloud said:

That's just nice perfect day. I assume that everything is just fine
for
you Maggie. I don't know your american mentality but I do your kinds
of
believe if life is so perfect from head to toe. You got perfect
house. you got perfect car. you got perfect hair. you got perfect
chest. you got perfect butt.
you got perfect jean. you got perfect shoes. Everything is gergeous
and everything is perfect. Life is perfect! Oh I miss one...your
bicycling is perfect.

Yo, Maggie. So how YOU doin'?!?

Methinks Red Cloud gottum crush.
--
BS (no, really)

"Beverly" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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Now that's good to hear. I've rode a bike all my life but just started
doing it seriously a couple years ago at age 59. Bought my first road bike
just this year. I'm looking forward to flying all the time at age 69!!!

Beverly

You are my hero. I decided at 50 that if I did not move my ass, I
would be dead in a few years. My doctor has been telling me that I
have to exercise. Walk, bike, whatever...and I have not listened to
him. I have two aunts who had heart attacks in their 50's. They were
not very overweight, but they had problems with their blood pressure
and stress. They never exercised. My kids have been yelling at me for
the last two years to stop killing myself. I work too much and I eat
nothing but junk. You inspire me to be a better person. That is a high
compliment to pay someone. Thank you. I am leaving for Lake Tahoe in
two weeks and look forward to riding bikes with my niece and my
daughter. It will be beautiful to ride out there considering I ride in
Jersey. ;-)
http://hometown.aol.com/lbuset/

"Maggie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I am leaving for Lake Tahoe in

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two weeks and look forward to riding bikes with my niece and my
daughter. It will be beautiful to ride out there considering I ride in
Jersey. ;-)

Lake Tahoe is indeed a beautiful place, but pretty chilly at the end of Nov.
with daytime highs generally in the upper 30's and night time lows in the
teens and 20's. So be sure to bring plenty of warm clothes and skis if you
have them. Lotsa snow so far this year.

Cheto....Lived there for 15 years

Maggie said:

I am leaving for Lake Tahoe in
two weeks and look forward to riding bikes with my niece and my
daughter. It will be beautiful to ride out there considering I ride in
Jersey. ;-)

Um, the weather in Tahoe hasn't been very conducive to riding
lately. The Sierra passes closed earlier this year than I can ever
remember. May I suggest some cross-country skiing instead? It's
another great aerobic activity.

I'm heading up that way in two weeks, also, but I'm leaving the bike
at home. I want to try XC skiing at Royal Gorge for at least one day.
--
terry morse Palo Alto, CA http://bike.terrymorse.com/

"Maggie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Beverly" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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Now that's good to hear. I've rode a bike all my life but just started
doing it seriously a couple years ago at age 59. Bought my first road

bike

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just this year. I'm looking forward to flying all the time at age 69!!!

Beverly

You are my hero. I decided at 50 that if I did not move my ass, I
would be dead in a few years. My doctor has been telling me that I
have to exercise. Walk, bike, whatever...and I have not listened to
him. I have two aunts who had heart attacks in their 50's. They were
not very overweight, but they had problems with their blood pressure
and stress. They never exercised. My kids have been yelling at me for
the last two years to stop killing myself. I work too much and I eat
nothing but junk. You inspire me to be a better person. That is a high
compliment to pay someone. Thank you. I am leaving for Lake Tahoe in
two weeks and look forward to riding bikes with my niece and my
daughter. It will be beautiful to ride out there considering I ride in
Jersey. ;-)
http://hometown.aol.com/lbuset/

Thanks Maggie. As I mentioned in another post my family's medical history
(heart disease, diabetes, cancer) is terrible and I decided at an early age
I didn't want to end up like them.

Enjoy Lake Tahoe. The biking might be a little chilly this time of year but
you can always bundle up. I'm planning on doing some biking this weekend.
It's supposed to be sunny and in the low 40's. It will give me a chance to
try out some of my new cold weather gear.

Beverly

"Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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I'm sorry, but your thinking is very, very flawwed. You are giving

in to

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this notion that you can't do this or that because of age. It's not true.
Sure, you shouldn't, after sitting on your butt for years, expect you get up
one day and compete in strong fashion in volleyball against 20 yos. It's
silly to even think that. But you can train yourself, re-gain/increase
fitness in that sport. Get your weight under control, start weight lifting,
and start playing volleyball on a regular basis (don't do marathon sessions
as you are getting back into it). You can increase your ability in that
sport enough to enjoy it. You may never be on an olympic team, but then
again you likely would not have been in your prime, either.

In what sport are you too old to particiate in at 35? Are you referring to
professionally, against others at any age? Have you ever heard of big
George Foreman?

As for the above question....Yes I was speaking of professionally.
Professional sports I know are quite different from recreational
sports. I also heard of George Foreman....he really has a great grill.
Love it.

Seriously, I still believe there are things I can not do at my age.
No matter how hard I train, how often I get off my ass and exercise or
how much weight I lift. You cannot compare a person in their fifties
with a person in their twenties. It's impossible in my opinion. Maybe
men want to do this, but I doubt if many women want to compare
themselves to 20 years olds. That's why God said....Go forth and bear
children while you are young and can deal with it. I am not whining
about my age when I talk about it, I am trying to accept it
graciously. I don't want to be like some of my friends having plastic
surgery because that's the only way they can fight nature. I am
surrounded by people in their twenties because my kids are in their
twenties. There is no way I could keep up with them. You may call this
a defeatist attitude, but I call it realistic. I see how easy it is
for them to bounce back from things. My husband is 57 and he has
exercised faithfully all his life and still lifts weights and
exercises every morning. He also agrees that he is no match for his
sons or any man who is 20 something and in shape. I don't think there
has been a day in his life since the age of 15 that he has not
exercised and lifted. Yet still he will admit he has slowed down quite
a bit. I think age is supposed to bring the wisdom to know we are not
20 any longer.
http://hometown.aol.com/lbuset/

There could be age-related health problems which could prevent you from doing some things. Still, a lot of the age issue is mental rather than physical. I have experienced such an improvement in my health and fitness in the past 5 years as I turned 40, I can't wait to see how far more can I go...
Still, I believe older people should avoid injury-prone sports such as downhill and free-ride, and take care of their joints (not the kind you smoke😉 ). The one thing older people can perform just as good or even better than younger people is endurance. In my last long trip (http://www.cyclingforums.com/t192544.html) I have been beaten by a 56yo grandpa... who happens to be a devoted athlete to this day.

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Cheto said:

Lake Tahoe is indeed a beautiful place, but pretty chilly at the end of Nov.

Definately ski season now. Note that portions of the road around the
lake will be closed by snow during the winter.

Terry Morse said:

Maggie said:

I am leaving for Lake Tahoe in
two weeks and look forward to riding bikes with my niece and my
daughter. It will be beautiful to ride out there considering I ride in
Jersey. ;-)

Um, the weather in Tahoe hasn't been very conducive to riding
lately. The Sierra passes closed earlier this year than I can ever
remember. May I suggest some cross-country skiing instead? It's
another great aerobic activity.

I'm heading up that way in two weeks, also, but I'm leaving the bike
at home. I want to try XC skiing at Royal Gorge for at least one day.

Think you'll be jonesin' in say, two days?

-B

Maggie wrote:
:: "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
:: news:<[email hidden]>...
:::: I'm sorry, but your thinking is very, very flawwed. You are giving
:: in to
::: this notion that you can't do this or that because of age. It's not
::: true. Sure, you shouldn't, after sitting on your butt for years,
::: expect you get up one day and compete in strong fashion in
::: volleyball against 20 yos. It's silly to even think that. But you
::: can train yourself, re-gain/increase fitness in that sport. Get
::: your weight under control, start weight lifting, and start playing
::: volleyball on a regular basis (don't do marathon sessions as you
::: are getting back into it). You can increase your ability in that
::: sport enough to enjoy it. You may never be on an olympic team, but
::: then again you likely would not have been in your prime, either.
:::
::: In what sport are you too old to particiate in at 35? Are you
::: referring to professionally, against others at any age? Have you
::: ever heard of big George Foreman?
::
:: As for the above question....Yes I was speaking of professionally.
:: Professional sports I know are quite different from recreational
:: sports. I also heard of George Foreman....he really has a great
:: grill.
:: Love it.
::
:: Seriously, I still believe there are things I can not do at my age.

What things? Out run a 20 year old in a sprint. Perhaps not. But barring
physical limitations, you can run a sprint. And a marathon. You may not
win, but you can do it, if factors other than mere age don't limit you.

:: No matter how hard I train, how often I get off my ass and exercise
:: or
:: how much weight I lift. You cannot compare a person in their fifties
:: with a person in their twenties. It's impossible in my opinion.

Sure you can compare them. In many cases the 20 yo will outdo the 50 yo.
But not in all cases and activities, and not for all 50 yo. And no one says
you have to compete or play with 20 yo. Find someone your age.

:: Maybe
:: men want to do this, but I doubt if many women want to compare
:: themselves to 20 years olds. That's why God said....Go forth and bear
:: children while you are young and can deal with it.

Did God say that?

I am not whining
:: about my age when I talk about it, I am trying to accept it
:: graciously. I don't want to be like some of my friends having plastic
:: surgery because that's the only way they can fight nature. I am
:: surrounded by people in their twenties because my kids are in their
:: twenties. There is no way I could keep up with them.

You dont' have to keep up with them. But you also don't have to give up,
either. You can regain a lot of what you were able to do when you were in
your twenties, if you really want to and if there are no other factors which
prevent it.

You may call
:: this
:: a defeatist attitude, but I call it realistic. I see how easy it is
:: for them to bounce back from things. My husband is 57 and he has
:: exercised faithfully all his life and still lifts weights and
:: exercises every morning. He also agrees that he is no match for his
:: sons or any man who is 20 something and in shape. I don't think there
:: has been a day in his life since the age of 15 that he has not
:: exercised and lifted. Yet still he will admit he has slowed down
:: quite
:: a bit.

I have an uncle who is 70 now. I'm 46. I'm not sure I'd want to take him on
in anything other than riding a bike for 80+ miles. I'm pretty sure he
can't do that right now. Also, he'd whup up on most 20 yo I see today. If
you're talking about a professioinal boxer or other type of athelete, then
maybe not. But your average 20 yo wouldn't stand a chance.

:: I think age is supposed to bring the wisdom to know we are not
:: 20 any longer.

Sure. But it also doesn't mean just automatically assuming you can't do
anything, either, and it certainly doesn't mean you should just give up.
Wisdom would say knowing your limitations and not exceeding them. It also
would say you should start out slowly and build up and also allow plenty of
time for recovery, because you're older.

:: http://hometown.aol.com/lbuset/

: >
: We seem to suffer from similar problems. I've had sciatica problems for
: several years. In fact, I'm currently recovering from a bout of it caused
: by trying to grab my bike when the wind blew it over. Next time I'll let
: the d*mn thing fall<g> :
: Beverly

well, not if it were falling on the derailleur side, surely!

:O

Pat in TX
:
:

On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 16:43:50 -0500, Roger Zoul <[email hidden]>
wrote:
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:: Seriously, I still believe there are things I can not do at my age.

What things? Out run a 20 year old in a sprint. Perhaps not. But barring
physical limitations, you can run a sprint. And a marathon. You may not
win, but you can do it, if factors other than mere age don't limit you.

Sprinting I lose to my 18 year old grandson every time, but he
knows better than to try to take me on the bike.

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:: No matter how hard I train, how often I get off my ass and exercise
:: or
:: how much weight I lift. You cannot compare a person in their fifties
:: with a person in their twenties. It's impossible in my opinion.

Sure you can compare them. In many cases the 20 yo will outdo the 50 yo.
But not in all cases and activities, and not for all 50 yo. And no one
says
you have to compete or play with 20 yo. Find someone your age.

Where is it imposible? If I lift weights I can build up to where
they don't stand a chance. As far as endurance goes, the 50 year
old will probably have the advantage unless the 20 year old is
an elite.

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I am not whining
:: about my age when I talk about it, I am trying to accept it
:: graciously. I don't want to be like some of my friends having plastic
:: surgery because that's the only way they can fight nature. I am
:: surrounded by people in their twenties because my kids are in their
:: twenties. There is no way I could keep up with them.

You dont' have to keep up with them. But you also don't have to give up,
either. You can regain a lot of what you were able to do when you were in
your twenties, if you really want to and if there are no other factors
which
prevent it.

It depends on how you keep up with them. My daughter is 25 and always
on the alert for something going on, but that is just a social life
thing, not really exercise. Bouncing off the walls waiting to do
something doesn't count, but is very much part of being in
your twenties. I still would like to get a bunch of people
together for a baseball game, but all the people I know think they
are too old. They think I am a fanatic about being on the move
but then I am not the one who had to have a 5 way bypass at 49.

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You may call
:: this
:: a defeatist attitude, but I call it realistic. I see how easy it is
:: for them to bounce back from things. My husband is 57 and he has
:: exercised faithfully all his life and still lifts weights and
:: exercises every morning. He also agrees that he is no match for his
:: sons or any man who is 20 something and in shape. I don't think there
:: has been a day in his life since the age of 15 that he has not
:: exercised and lifted. Yet still he will admit he has slowed down
:: quite
:: a bit.

I have an uncle who is 70 now. I'm 46. I'm not sure I'd want to take
him on
in anything other than riding a bike for 80+ miles. I'm pretty sure he
can't do that right now. Also, he'd whup up on most 20 yo I see today. If
you're talking about a professioinal boxer or other type of athelete,
then
maybe not. But your average 20 yo wouldn't stand a chance.

The average 20 year old doesn't get any exercise, except for the gas
pedal on the gas slurping machine they are driving.

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:: I think age is supposed to bring the wisdom to know we are not
:: 20 any longer.

Wisdom means growing old in a rocking chair or rest home???
Act your age?
Not me. At 56 I am still teaching my grandchildren the fine art
of tree climbing as well as riding no hands, etc.
I will act my age only when dictated by lack of pulse.

Quoted message said:

Sure. But it also doesn't mean just automatically assuming you can't do
anything, either, and it certainly doesn't mean you should just give up.
Wisdom would say knowing your limitations and not exceeding them. It
also
would say you should start out slowly and build up and also allow plenty
of
time for recovery, because you're older.

:: http://hometown.aol.com/lbuset/

What he said.
The only drawback is for me, getting caught doing some of the things
that people my AGE should not be doing. Having kids around makes you
not want to admit you can't do something. I am looking forward to
teaching my Great grandchildren some of the finer points of riding.
Bill Baka

"Maggie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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Quoted message said:

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I'm sorry, but your thinking is very, very flawwed. You are giving

in to

Quoted message said:

this notion that you can't do this or that because of age. It's not

true.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Sure, you shouldn't, after sitting on your butt for years, expect you

get up

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

one day and compete in strong fashion in volleyball against 20 yos. It's
silly to even think that. But you can train yourself, re-gain/increase
fitness in that sport. Get your weight under control, start weight

lifting,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

and start playing volleyball on a regular basis (don't do marathon

sessions

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

as you are getting back into it). You can increase your ability in that
sport enough to enjoy it. You may never be on an olympic team, but then
again you likely would not have been in your prime, either.

In what sport are you too old to particiate in at 35? Are you referring

to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

professionally, against others at any age? Have you ever heard of big
George Foreman?

As for the above question....Yes I was speaking of professionally.
Professional sports I know are quite different from recreational
sports. I also heard of George Foreman....he really has a great grill.
Love it.

Seriously, I still believe there are things I can not do at my age.
No matter how hard I train, how often I get off my ass and exercise or
how much weight I lift. You cannot compare a person in their fifties
with a person in their twenties. It's impossible in my opinion. Maybe
men want to do this, but I doubt if many women want to compare
themselves to 20 years olds. That's why God said....Go forth and bear
children while you are young and can deal with it. I am not whining
about my age when I talk about it, I am trying to accept it
graciously. I don't want to be like some of my friends having plastic
surgery because that's the only way they can fight nature. I am
surrounded by people in their twenties because my kids are in their
twenties. There is no way I could keep up with them. You may call this
a defeatist attitude, but I call it realistic. I see how easy it is
for them to bounce back from things. My husband is 57 and he has
exercised faithfully all his life and still lifts weights and
exercises every morning. He also agrees that he is no match for his
sons or any man who is 20 something and in shape. I don't think there
has been a day in his life since the age of 15 that he has not
exercised and lifted. Yet still he will admit he has slowed down quite
a bit. I think age is supposed to bring the wisdom to know we are not
20 any longer.
http://hometown.aol.com/lbuset/

It sure sounds like a "defeatist" attitude to me.

FWIW, I turn 52 next month. I ride about 4000 miles per year, with over
200,000 feet of climbing. I've lost about 10 lbs this year, and now weigh
about what I did in college.

I've found it IS possible to hang with the young'uns...at least, most of the
time (there's always folks that are faster, but that was the case when I was
in my 20's too).

I see it as a challenge, and relish it. On a recent century ride that
featured 5300 feet of climbing, I hung with the lead group all day long. I
even tried a solo attack on a long winding downhill at the 80 mile mark. I
was still with the lead group with about half a mile to go when I attacked
again just after a corner...managed to bust up the group (which was about 12
strong at that point), except for 2 guys who got on my wheel. They
outsprinted me with less than 100 meters to go, so I finished 3rd...with a
huge grin on my face, and "way to go's" from the younger riders. I averaged
18.827 mph for that century, which is a whole lot better than most of the
20-something's I see working in the local mall could do! (if they could do
it at all!).

So, barring injury, I disagree with your assertions about the effects of
aging...of course, I might change my mind in a decade or two!

--
~_-*
....G/ \G
http://www.CycliStats.com
CycliStats - Software for Cyclists

: It sure sounds like a "defeatist" attitude to me.

That's what's been nagging at the back of my mind about the OP's posts:
defeatist, or, perhaps, laying down an excuse for failure in advance (and
blaming it on age).

: So, barring injury, I disagree with your assertions about the effects of
: aging...of course, I might change my mind in a decade or two!
: ~_-*
: ...G/ \G

Yeah, attack attack attack! That's my motto
(Oh, and "don't do anything you'll have trouble explaining in the emergency
room."😉

Pat in TX

Michael Warner <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

On 10 Nov 2004 03:51:44 -0800, Maggie wrote:

Quoted message said:

OTOH, I rode 120km on Sunday in under 4 hours, felt rather sore
when I got up on Monday and went for a gentle recovery ride, then
absolutely fine on Tuesday, when I went on a normal training ride.
I wouldn't have believed this possible when I took up cycling seriously
only 6 months ago, since I'm pushing 40. Trust me, you'll become a superwoman :-)

I doubt if I will become superwoman but I will give it my best shot.
Don't worry about pushing 40. When you turn 40 you will get so many
lame gifts reminding you that you are old that you will laugh about
it. It seems 40 is the age where you walk through these gates that
read.....You are now officially NOT YOUNG any longer. When you are
fifty people leave you alone because they know you already know. I
found a great website that gave me inspiration.
http://pweb.jps.net/~prichins/aging.htm
Check it out.

:-)
:
: I doubt if I will become superwoman but I will give it my best shot.
: Don't worry about pushing 40. When you turn 40 you will get so many
: lame gifts reminding you that you are old that you will laugh about
: it. It seems 40 is the age where you walk through these gates that
: read.....You are now officially NOT YOUNG any longer. When you are
: fifty people leave you alone because they know you already know. I
: found a great website that gave me inspiration.
: http://pweb.jps.net/~prichins/aging.htm
: Check it out.

I don't understand why you would need inspiration unless you have bought
into the stereotypes that once you are over 40 you are over the hill. Who
cares what other people think about if you are young or "not young"? Are you
letting other people tell you what you should do based on your age?

Pat in TX

In article said:

I don't understand why you would need inspiration unless you have bought
into the stereotypes that once you are over 40 you are over the hill. Who
cares what other people think about if you are young or "not young"?

Definately true. I know lots of cyclists in their 60s and 70s who are
still riding hard. Many of them are in better shape than people half
their age, partially because they are retired and their kids are grown
and they have time to ride 4 or 5 times a week.

Friel wrote a excellent book *Cycing Past 50* that focuses on the
needs of older cyclists (training and nutrition). I highly recommend
it for people in that age group (or getting there).

(Maggie) said:

Michael Warner <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

On 10 Nov 2004 03:51:44 -0800, Maggie wrote:

Quoted message said:

OTOH, I rode 120km on Sunday in under 4 hours, felt rather sore
when I got up on Monday and went for a gentle recovery ride, then
absolutely fine on Tuesday, when I went on a normal training ride.
I wouldn't have believed this possible when I took up cycling seriously
only 6 months ago, since I'm pushing 40. Trust me, you'll become a superwoman :-)

I doubt if I will become superwoman but I will give it my best shot.
Don't worry about pushing 40. When you turn 40 you will get so many
lame gifts reminding you that you are old that you will laugh about
it. It seems 40 is the age where you walk through these gates that
read.....You are now officially NOT YOUNG any longer. When you are
fifty people leave you alone because they know you already know. I
found a great website that gave me inspiration.
http://pweb.jps.net/~prichins/aging.htm
Check it out.

This idea that there's some arbitrary age at which you are 'not young any
longer' is baloney. Here I am at 52:

http://www.pbase.com/gunncb/image/18847396/medium

....I didn't start biking until a year later.

-B

(Maggie) said:

Seriously, I still believe there are things I can not do at my age.
No matter how hard I train, how often I get off my ass and exercise or
how much weight I lift. You cannot compare a person in their fifties
with a person in their twenties.

Just a data point, but the person who sets the best time at the
Everest Challenge is usually a Masters racer. Chris Walker is the
current national elite champion, He's 42:

http://www.mesothel.com/pages/labor_walker_pag.htm

Chris didn't win the Everest Challenge this year, but he came very
close. He was in first place when he rode past me.
--
terry morse Palo Alto, CA http://bike.terrymorse.com/

Badger said:

Terry Morse said:

I'm heading up that way in two weeks, also, but I'm leaving the bike
at home. I want to try XC skiing at Royal Gorge for at least one day.

Think you'll be jonesin' in say, two days?

I guess it's a good thing I'm only going for two days. But skiing's
a good cross training sport. And just in case I need a vertical fix,
I'm bringing along my climbing skins.
--
terry morse Palo Alto, CA http://bike.terrymorse.com/