evolution in action

Per [email hidden]:

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Time on my hands...

http://petejones.fotopic.net/c925679.html

In the words of a windsurfing bud who is also an engineer: "Eventually,
everything breaks."
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PeteCresswell

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Time on my hands...

http://petejones.fotopic.net/c925679.html

Truly humbling.

Bill "worthless hack" S.

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Time on my hands...

http://petejones.fotopic.net/c925679.html

A great testimonial as to why the trek machine's frames are garbage.

JD

JD said:

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Time on my hands...

http://petejones.fotopic.net/c925679.html

A great testimonial as to why the trek machine's frames are garbage.

I think I'll go look for cracks in my Klein.

Shawn

I dunno. The Fishers were poorly designed junk, but three years for the
Attitude? I'm fairly happy with that. I'm tempted to get a custom
steel frame made to exactly the same geometry - see how it rides and
how long it lasts...

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I notice that you have risers/bar ends even on your road bike.

Is this a comfort preference over road bars - or just to avoid buying/fitting a
whole new set of brake handles/shifters/cables?
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PeteCresswell

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I dunno. The Fishers were poorly designed junk, but three years for
the Attitude? I'm fairly happy with that. I'm tempted to get a custom
steel frame made to exactly the same geometry - see how it rides and
how long it lasts...

It's obvious that you don't value longevity as much as you seem to in your
captions. Why is it that you're frustrated with aluminum frames, and yet
you continue to buy/get warranteed aluminum frames? Do you hate the
"dead"ness of steel that much? (which is a load of [censored] anyway). It's
almost as if you enjoy breaking things. It's like "run into wall... ow...
that hurt... let's do it again."

Seriously... what is your goal here?

--
Phil, Squid-in-Training

Phil said:

It's obvious that you don't value longevity as much as you seem to in your
captions. Why is it that you're frustrated with aluminum frames, and yet
you continue to buy/get warranteed aluminum frames?

I've only bought one aluminium frame. "I bought it <the Trek> after mag
reviews touted it as a good, reliable bike for all day rides." If they
continue to give me new frames for free, I will continue to ride them.
I rode the Klein I was * given* for 3 years (longer than many people
ride a bike before upgrading it) because it was a better ride than the
steel frames I *bought*. No product purchase justification involved, as
I wrote here:

"Initially, less than convinced about its durability, I just used it as
a hacker and singlespeed. However, bits started migrating across from
the P7 as it quickly became clear that the Attitude, for all its design
niggles, was a beautiful ride."

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Do you hate the
"dead"ness of steel that much? (which is a load of [censored] anyway).

No. That's why I wrote this:

"what frame will it be? Current favourite, some place down the line, is
a Rohloff equipped Thorn Raven Enduro" i.e. an 853 steel frame.

Is there anything else you're having trouble with?

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http://petejones.fotopic.net/c925679.html

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I notice that you have risers/bar ends even on your road bike.

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Is this a comfort preference over road bars - or just to avoid buying/fitting a
whole new set of brake handles/shifters/cables?

They're actually flat bars, Pete - comfort, brakes to hand. I tried
flats as an experiment, and ended up ditching the drops and bar end
shifters that came with the bike as stock.

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Phil said:

It's obvious that you don't value longevity as much as you seem to
in your captions. Why is it that you're frustrated with aluminum
frames, and yet you continue to buy/get warranteed aluminum frames?

I've only bought one aluminium frame. "I bought it <the Trek> after
mag reviews touted it as a good, reliable bike for all day rides." If
they continue to give me new frames for free, I will continue to ride
them.

Then that answers all my questions. I apologize for being a retro-grouch
and looking for products that work without expected failure.
--
Phil, Squid-in-Training

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They're actually flat bars, Pete - comfort, brakes to hand. I tried
flats as an experiment, and ended up ditching the drops and bar end
shifters that came with the bike as stock.

I'm probably beating a dead horse here... but just to be sure I've got it right:
You're long term preference is for the flats/bar ends instead of the drops?

The reason I'm obsessing about this is that I've got that setup on both my FS
and the hardtail that I call my "road" bike (when ridden on HP slicks...) and,
personally, I find it quite comfortable - although my longest rides are only
about 3.5 hours.

Right now, if I were to get a dedicated pavement bike (i.e. rigid, road-ier
geometry) I'd have to lean towards doing the mountain bars/bar ends thing just
because it seems "good enough" and because of the comparability advantage.
--
PeteCresswell

(PeteCresswell) said:

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They're actually flat bars, Pete - comfort, brakes to hand.

I'm probably beating a dead horse here... but just to be sure I've got it right:
You're long term preference is for the flats/bar ends instead of the drops?

The reason I'm obsessing about this is that I've got that setup on both my FS
and the hardtail that I call my "road" bike (when ridden on HP slicks...) and,
personally, I find it quite comfortable - although my longest rides are only
about 3.5 hours.

Right now, if I were to get a dedicated pavement bike (i.e. rigid, road-ier
geometry) I'd have to lean towards doing the mountain bars/bar ends thing just
because it seems "good enough" and because of the comparability advantage.

'Yes' to all that. It's also good fun when you pass roadies down on
their hoods...

I know the bigger manufacturers are now doing some of their road bikes
with flat bar options - couldn't comment on specific brands/models.

Pete

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I dunno. The Fishers were poorly designed junk, but three years for the
Attitude? I'm fairly happy with that. I'm tempted to get a custom
steel frame made to exactly the same geometry - see how it rides and
how long it lasts...

Just think if Gary Klein had never sold out to the trek machine, he
might have some good bikes still.

If you're looking for quality custom steel, drop me a line.

JD

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Phil said:

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Phil, Squid-in-Training wrote:

> It's obvious that you don't value longevity as much as you seem to
> in your captions. Why is it that you're frustrated with aluminum
> frames, and yet you continue to buy/get warranteed aluminum frames?

I've only bought one aluminium frame. "I bought it <the Trek> after
mag reviews touted it as a good, reliable bike for all day rides." If
they continue to give me new frames for free, I will continue to ride
them.

Then that answers all my questions. I apologize for being a

retro-grouch

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and looking for products that work without expected failure.
--
Phil, Squid-in-Training

Pardon me for intruding, but "retro-grouch"? Surely you jest. You've
been mtbing for how long? And you've gone riding where? "Retro-grouch"
implies that you've been at this a long time, and that you've seen
trends come and go. You've got a little fleet of late-model Giants,
right?

Yeah, I laughed when I read that but refrained from calling him on that.

Greg