Evolution at Work among Mountain Bikers

[Mike Vandeman]

Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 22:55:19 -0700
Subject: Major Dad

Saw a sad sight tonight at St. Eds. There was a group of kids hitting jumps and
there was an adult in the group; the father of at least one of the kids. None of
the kids or the father had helmets. I was going to say something but for once
kept quiet-that is until a lady standing close by spoke up. The lady told the
kids they should wear helmets because they could get hurt-then she showed them
her busted helmet-she split the helmet down the middle when she crashed on the
jump; her boyfriend was a paramedic, he walked her out of the park.

Next one of the kids hit the jump and sure enough crashed; he mashed his knee
and banged his head into the ground-with no helmet; if he would have hit a
rock-it might have killed him. The kid got hurt-that's when I turned to the dad
and told him the kids should have helmets. Major Dad got really mad-I thought he
was going to throw a stick; it's sad when parents don't protect their kids.
bob h

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[MTBlood]

>
> Saw a sad sight tonight at St. Eds. There was a group of kids hitting
> jumps and
> there was an adult in the group; the father of at least one of the kids.
> None of
> the kids or the father had helmets. I was going to say something but for
> once
> kept quiet-that is until a lady standing close by spoke up. The lady told
> the
> kids they should wear helmets because they could get hurt-then she showed
> them
> her busted helmet-she split the helmet down the middle when she crashed on
> the
> jump; her boyfriend was a paramedic, he walked her out of the park.
>
> Next one of the kids hit the jump and sure enough crashed; he mashed his
> knee
> and banged his head into the ground-with no helmet; if he would have hit a
> rock-it might have killed him. The kid got hurt-that's when I turned to
> the dad
> and told him the kids should have helmets. Major Dad got really mad-I
> thought he
> was going to throw a stick; it's sad when parents don't protect their
> kids.
> bob h
>

I will support your threads that support helmet advocacy. I believe that if
you are doing particularly dangerous stunts you should be wearing a helmet,
and if you are on concrete the Styrofoam helmets aren't enough. I think that
95% of the people on here would agree.

On the other hand just because a person is on a bike doesn't make him a
mountain biker. The irresponsibility of the adult in the group doesn't
reflect the majority of real mountain bikers.

 

[Bill Sornson]

 

[Just zis Guy, you know?]

I submit that on or about Sat, 20 Aug 2005 14:15:04 GMT, the person
known to the court as Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> made a
statement (<[email protected]> in Your
Honour's bundle) to the following effect:

>The lady told the
>kids they should wear helmets because they could get hurt-then she showed them
>her busted helmet-she split the helmet down the middle when she crashed on the
>jump;

LOL! You gotta love the way people use the fact their foam hats
failed to persuade others to wear them, so they can fail for them,
too!

Guy
--
May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk

85% of helmet statistics are made up, 69% of them at CHS, Puget Sound

 

[Just zis Guy, you know?]

I submit that on or about Sat, 20 Aug 2005 10:02:03 -0500, the person
known to the court as "MTBlood" <[email protected]> made a
statement (<[email protected]> in Your Honour's
bundle) to the following effect:

>I will support your threads that support helmet advocacy.

I won't. I've read the evidence. Everyone should make up their own
mind based on their own reading of the evidence - it is not up to any
of us (especially Mike, who is a bigot with no good motives) to tell
others what to wear.

http://www.cyclehelmets.org

Guy
--
May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk

85% of helmet statistics are made up, 69% of them at CHS, Puget Sound

 

[Mike Vandeman]

On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 10:02:03 -0500, "MTBlood" <[email protected]>
wrote:

..
..>
..> Saw a sad sight tonight at St. Eds. There was a group of kids hitting
..> jumps and
..> there was an adult in the group; the father of at least one of the kids.
..> None of
..> the kids or the father had helmets. I was going to say something but for
..> once
..> kept quiet-that is until a lady standing close by spoke up. The lady told
..> the
..> kids they should wear helmets because they could get hurt-then she showed
..> them
..> her busted helmet-she split the helmet down the middle when she crashed on
..> the
..> jump; her boyfriend was a paramedic, he walked her out of the park.
..>
..> Next one of the kids hit the jump and sure enough crashed; he mashed his
..> knee
..> and banged his head into the ground-with no helmet; if he would have hit a
..> rock-it might have killed him. The kid got hurt-that's when I turned to
..> the dad
..> and told him the kids should have helmets. Major Dad got really mad-I
..> thought he
..> was going to throw a stick; it's sad when parents don't protect their
..> kids.
..> bob h
..>
..
.. I will support your threads that support helmet advocacy. I believe that if
..you are doing particularly dangerous stunts you should be wearing a helmet,
..and if you are on concrete the Styrofoam helmets aren't enough. I think that
..95% of the people on here would agree.
..
..On the other hand just because a person is on a bike doesn't make him a
..mountain biker. The irresponsibility of the adult in the group doesn't
..reflect the majority of real mountain bikers.

You are completely wrong on that. Mountain biking is INHERENTLY irresponsible in
its impacts on people and wildlife. Why don't you talk about responsible crack
use? Or bulldozer racing? Or child molestation? The list goes on. The majority
of real mountain bikers are indeed irresponsible idiots. In fact, I have yet to
meet even ONE honest, responsible mountain biker. It is a contradiction in
terms. An oxymoron, with the emphasis on "moron".
===
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humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

 

[Mike Vandeman]

On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 17:42:56 +0100, "Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email protected]>
wrote:

..I submit that on or about Sat, 20 Aug 2005 10:02:03 -0500, the person
..known to the court as "MTBlood" <[email protected]> made a
..statement (<[email protected]> in Your Honour's
..bundle) to the following effect:
..
..>I will support your threads that support helmet advocacy.
..
..I won't. I've read the evidence. Everyone should make up their own
..mind based on their own reading of the evidence - it is not up to any
..of us (especially Mike, who is a bigot with no good motives) to tell
..others what to wear.

I COMMAND you not to wear a helmet.

..http://www.cyclehelmets.org
..
..Guy

===
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humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

 

[Mike Vandeman]

On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 15:55:39 GMT, "Bill Sornson"
<[email protected]> wrote:

What a STOOOPID post. Thanks for proving my point for me.
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[Neil Brooks]

Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:

>You are completely wrong on that. Mountain biking is INHERENTLY irresponsible in
>its impacts on people and wildlife. Why don't you talk about responsible crack
>use? Or bulldozer racing? Or child molestation? The list goes on. The majority
>of real mountain bikers are indeed irresponsible idiots. In fact, I have yet to
>meet even ONE honest, responsible mountain biker. It is a contradiction in
>terms. An oxymoron, with the emphasis on "moron".

Hey, Mike...

I don't know you, and I've never responded to you before, but let me
give you an objective viewpoint here:

It's almost a certainty that you've never met an honest, responsible
mountain biker because self-respecting, honest, responsible, decent
people most likely prefer not to spend time with you.

 

[di]

"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 10:02:03 -0500, "MTBlood"
> <[email protected]>
..
>
> You are completely wrong on that. Mountain biking is INHERENTLY
> irresponsible in
> its impacts on people and wildlife. Why don't you talk about responsible
> crack
> use? Or bulldozer racing? Or child molestation? The list goes on. The
> majority
> of real mountain bikers are indeed irresponsible idiots. In fact, I have
> yet to
> meet even ONE honest, responsible mountain biker. It is a contradiction in
> terms. An oxymoron, with the emphasis on "moron".
> ===

Mike, you become more of an idiot every day, never thought you could be more
ridicules, but you prove me wrong on a daily basis.

 

[di]

"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 15:55:39 GMT, "Bill Sornson"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> What a STOOOPID post. Thanks for proving my point for me.
> ===


what kind of idiot would respond to something so stupid?

 

[S Curtiss]

What does this have to do with mt biking? Surely your PhD is being stretched
to the legal limit if you think this has any significance to mt biking. Go
post it as advocacy for helmet use.
NOBODY in the piece you posted was mt biking.
No wonder your "science" is irrelevant...

 

[S Curtiss]

"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 17:42:56 +0100, "Just zis Guy, you know?"
> <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> .I submit that on or about Sat, 20 Aug 2005 10:02:03 -0500, the person
> .known to the court as "MTBlood" <[email protected]> made a
> .statement (<[email protected]> in Your Honour's
> .bundle) to the following effect:
> .
> .>I will support your threads that support helmet advocacy.
> .
> .I won't. I've read the evidence. Everyone should make up their own
> .mind based on their own reading of the evidence - it is not up to any
> .of us (especially Mike, who is a bigot with no good motives) to tell
> .others what to wear.
>
> I COMMAND you not to wear a helmet.
The threat of bodily harm to cyclists from MV is hereby noted.
>
> .http://www.cyclehelmets.org
> .
> .Guy
>
> ===
> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>
> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

 

[S Curtiss]

> .
> .On the other hand just because a person is on a bike doesn't make him a
> .mountain biker. The irresponsibility of the adult in the group doesn't
> .reflect the majority of real mountain bikers.
>
> You are completely wrong on that. Mountain biking is INHERENTLY
> irresponsible in
> its impacts on people and wildlife. Why don't you talk about responsible
> crack
> use? Or bulldozer racing? Or child molestation? The list goes on. The
> majority
> of real mountain bikers are indeed irresponsible idiots. In fact, I have
> yet to
> meet even ONE honest, responsible mountain biker. It is a contradiction in
> terms. An oxymoron, with the emphasis on "moron".
> ===
Actually... the irresponsibility of ANYONE in the group from the piece MV
posted has NOTHING to do with mountain bikers because...
NONE OF THEM WERE MOUNTAIN BIKING!

 

[reader]

Mike Vandeman wrote:

>
> You are completely wrong on that. Mountain biking is INHERENTLY irresponsible in
> its impacts on people and wildlife. Why don't you talk about responsible crack
> use? Or bulldozer racing? Or child molestation? The list goes on. The majority
> of real mountain bikers are indeed irresponsible idiots. In fact, I have yet to
> meet even ONE honest, responsible mountain biker. It is a contradiction in
> terms. An oxymoron, with the emphasis on "moron".
> ===
> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>
> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

Mikey, do you realize how dumb you look? I can only surmise your sole
reason(s) for your posts are:

a) You have a serious issue
b) You like to troll

Its interesting to note you cross post and not a sole from the hiking
side comes to your aid.

 

[Mike Halliday]

as I said mike ,u are bitter, angry, and unhappy.

it is sad.

 

[Stanley Barthfarkle]

Mikey doesn't really hate mountain bikers per se- he hates human beings.

 

[Mark]

"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 10:02:03 -0500, "MTBlood"
<[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> .
> .>
> .> Saw a sad sight tonight at St. Eds. There was a group of kids hitting
> .> jumps and
> .> there was an adult in the group; the father of at least one of the
kids.
> .> None of
> .> the kids or the father had helmets. I was going to say something but
for
> .> once
> .> kept quiet-that is until a lady standing close by spoke up. The lady
told
> .> the
> .> kids they should wear helmets because they could get hurt-then she
showed
> .> them
> .> her busted helmet-she split the helmet down the middle when she crashed
on
> .> the
> .> jump; her boyfriend was a paramedic, he walked her out of the park.
> .>
> .> Next one of the kids hit the jump and sure enough crashed; he mashed
his
> .> knee
> .> and banged his head into the ground-with no helmet; if he would have
hit a
> .> rock-it might have killed him. The kid got hurt-that's when I turned to
> .> the dad
> .> and told him the kids should have helmets. Major Dad got really mad-I
> .> thought he
> .> was going to throw a stick; it's sad when parents don't protect their
> .> kids.
> .> bob h
> .>
> .
> . I will support your threads that support helmet advocacy. I believe that
if
> .you are doing particularly dangerous stunts you should be wearing a
helmet,
> .and if you are on concrete the Styrofoam helmets aren't enough. I think
that
> .95% of the people on here would agree.
> .
> .On the other hand just because a person is on a bike doesn't make him a
> .mountain biker. The irresponsibility of the adult in the group doesn't
> .reflect the majority of real mountain bikers.
>
> You are completely wrong on that. Mountain biking is INHERENTLY
irresponsible in
> its impacts on people and wildlife. Why don't you talk about responsible
crack
> use? Or bulldozer racing? Or child molestation? The list goes on. The
majority
> of real mountain bikers are indeed irresponsible idiots. In fact, I have
yet to
> meet even ONE honest, responsible mountain biker. It is a contradiction in
> terms. An oxymoron, with the emphasis on "moron".

Coming from a proven liar on the subject, your words are meaningless.
You are already a proven liar.(taken from another thread)
Me lease show your corroborated data that ALL mountain bikers are liars

MV: Show me where I ever said that, liar

Me:You appear to say it in every post you make starting 'All mountain
bikers'.
Do a google search for your name, you will find rather a lot

MV :So you can't show me even ONE case? That's what I thought. Because they
don't exist

Me:
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/rec.bicycles.soc/browse_frm/thread/a2de62b7
e3806492/d4c08e008ef80820?tvc=1&q=%22all+mountain+bikers%22+group:alt.mounta
in-bike&hl=en#d4c08e008ef80820

MV: Its misquoted

So apparently even google archives are against the man, I guess as MTBers
we control them too, to hide 'the truth'.Conspiracy theories, the last
bastion of the clinically insane.

He isnt a scientist, hes a hate filled bigot with a PROVEN record of lying
about bikers, nothing he says can be taken as anything other than another
lie.

 

[Mike Vandeman]

On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 18:38:23 GMT, Neil Brooks <[email protected]> wrote:

..Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
..
..>You are completely wrong on that. Mountain biking is INHERENTLY irresponsible in
..>its impacts on people and wildlife. Why don't you talk about responsible crack
..>use? Or bulldozer racing? Or child molestation? The list goes on. The majority
..>of real mountain bikers are indeed irresponsible idiots. In fact, I have yet to
..>meet even ONE honest, responsible mountain biker. It is a contradiction in
..>terms. An oxymoron, with the emphasis on "moron".
..
..Hey, Mike...
..
..I don't know you, and I've never responded to you before, but let me
..give you an objective viewpoint here:
..
..It's almost a certainty that you've never met an honest, responsible
..mountain biker because self-respecting, honest, responsible, decent
..people most likely prefer not to spend time with you.

Then why are YOU doing it?
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

 

[Westie]

Just zis Guy, you know? wrote:
> I submit that on or about Sat, 20 Aug 2005 14:15:04 GMT, the person
> known to the court as Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> made a
> statement (<[email protected]> in Your
> Honour's bundle) to the following effect:
>
>
>>The lady told the
>>kids they should wear helmets because they could get hurt-then she showed them
>>her busted helmet-she split the helmet down the middle when she crashed on the
>>jump;
>
>
> LOL! You gotta love the way people use the fact their foam hats
> failed to persuade others to wear them, so they can fail for them,
> too!
>
> Guy

I dunno. This debate about helmets has been chewed over and over ad
nauseum. And in theory anyway, a bike helmet saves you by destroying
itself - absorbs the impact and crumples like a car bumper. Splitting
down the middle: It's not a design failure - it's a feature! Whoo hoo!

I haven't really had a serious accident made less severe by a helmet.
Having said that, a helmet did collect the sharp 1" diameter end of a
broken branch as I ducked under overhanging foliage at speed once upon a
time. I'm pleased that the only pieces removed were from the helmet,
not my scalp. In that one instance, I can saying with 99% certainty
that wearing a helmet did save me from stitches and injury.
--
Westie