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  1. <http://www.boingboing.net/2004/06/18/everything_we_know_a.html>

    Everything we know about traffic-calming is wrong

    Mind-blowing article about the European and Chinese challenges to the
    received wisdom on traffic planning and calming, arguing that the
    separation of peds and cars leads to less-safe streets:

    "The more you post the evidence of legislative control, such as
    traffic signs, the less the driver is trying to use his or her own
    senses," says Hamilton-Baillie, noting he has a habit of walking
    randomly across roads -- much to his wife's consternation. "So the
    less you can advertise the presence of the state in terms of
    authority, the more effective this approach can be." This, of course,
    is the exact opposite of the "Triple E" traffic-calming approach,
    which seeks to control the driver through the use of speed bumps,
    photo radar, crosswalks and other engineering and enforcement
    mechanisms.

    The "self-reading street" has its roots in the Dutch "woonerf" design
    principles that emerged in the 1970s. Blurring the boundary between
    street and sidewalk, woonerfs combine innovative paving, landscaping
    and other urban designs to allow for the integration of multiple
    functions in a single street, so that pedestrians, cyclists and
    children playing share the road with slow-moving cars. The pilot
    projects were so successful in fostering better urban environments
    that the ideas spread rapidly to Belgium, France, Denmark and Germany.
    In 1998, the British government adopted a "Home Zones" initiative --
    the woonerf equivalent -- as part of its national transportation
    policy.

    "What the early woonerf principles realized," says Hamilton-Baillie,
    "was that there was a two-way interaction between people and traffic.
    It was a vicious or, rather, a virtuous circle: The busier the streets
    are, the safer they become. So once you drive people off the street,
    they become less safe."

    Salon Link (Reg/Ads Req'd) (via Kottke)

    <http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2004/05/20/traffic_design/>

    Why don't we do it in the road?

    A new school of traffic design says we should get rid of stop signs
    and red lights and let cars, bikes and people mingle together. It
    sounds insane, but it works.

    May 20, 2004 | It's rush hour, and I am standing at the corner of
    Zhuhui and Renmin Road, a four-lane intersection in Suzhou, China.
    Ignoring the red light, a couple of taxis and a dozen bicycles are
    headed straight for a huge mass of cyclists, cars, pedicabs and mopeds
    that are turning left in front of me. Cringing, I anticipate a
    collision. Like a flock of migrating birds, however, the mass changes
    formation. A space opens up, the taxis and bicycles move in, and
    hundreds of commuters continue down the street, unperturbed and
    fatality free.

    In Suzhou, the traffic rules are simple. "There are no rules," as one
    local told me. A city of 2.2 million people, Suzhou has 500,000 cars
    and 900,000 bicycles, not to mention hundreds of pedicabs, mopeds and
    assorted, quainter forms of transportation. Drivers of all modes pay
    little attention to the few traffic signals and weave wildly from one
    side of the street to another. Defying survival instincts, pedestrians
    have to barge between oncoming cars to cross the roads.

    But here's the catch: During the 10 days I spent in Suzhou last fall,
    I didn't see a single accident. Really, not a single one. Nor was
    there any of the road rage one might expect given the anarchy that
    passes for traffic policy. And despite the obvious advantages that
    accrue to cars because of their size, no single transportation mode
    dominates the streets. On the contrary, the urban arterials are a
    communal mix of automobiles, cyclists, pedestrians, and small
    businesses such as inner-tube repairmen that set up shop directly in
    the right-of-way.

    [...]

  2. On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 21:29:44 +0100, Marc Brett
    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    <[email hidden]>:

    Quoted message said:

    Mind-blowing article about the European and Chinese challenges to the
    received wisdom on traffic planning and calming, arguing that the
    separation of peds and cars leads to less-safe streets:

    Now that really /is/ new. Unless you've read JS Dean's 1946 book
    "Murder Most Foul". Or Bob Davis' "Death On The Streets". Or Mayer
    Hillman's "One False Move".

    Guy
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  3. Marc Brett said:

    The pilot
    projects were so successful in fostering better urban environments
    that the ideas spread rapidly to Belgium, France

    France? Traffic Calming... I guess the author has never been to France.

  4. David Off said:


    France? Traffic Calming... I guess the author has never been to France.

    They calm their drivers with a bottle of vin rouge ;-)

    Tony

  5. "Tony Raven" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    David Off said:


    France? Traffic Calming... I guess the author has never been to France.

    They calm their drivers with a bottle of vin rouge ;-)

    Tony

    This reminds me of something I saw on the Discovery channel once.

    Bascially, they took one one driver, and tested him on a private track.

    They found him to be aggressive, selfish, and unwill to acknowledge his
    limitations

    They then gave him a joint to smoke, and repeated the test.

    His driving improved - the theory being that the cannabis, whilst limiting
    his ability to drive, made him more relaxed and made him more aware of his
    limitations.

    Obviously (and as was pointed out in the programme), this doesn't mean
    driving while stoned should be legal, but it was an interesting, if
    unexpected result - and certainly worthy of more investigation.

    Thought I'd just throw that in for the sake of conversation :-)

  6. "Marc Brett" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    <http://www.boingboing.net/2004/06/18/everything_we_know_a.html>

    Everything we know about traffic-calming is wrong

    Mind-blowing article about the European and Chinese challenges to


    the

    Quoted message said:

    received wisdom on traffic planning and calming, arguing that the
    separation of peds and cars leads to less-safe streets:

    <snipped>

    Recently in Orkney, did some driving around the main street of
    Stromness. Very narrow, 2-way traffic and pedestrians mingling,
    standing in doorways to let cars past, etc. I paid a lot of attention
    and initially found it daunting to drive, but soon realised it was one
    of the safest non-pedestrianised "main streets" I ever experienced.
    Locals found it second nature to look both ways before stepping out of
    shop doorways. Likewise drivers patiently waited for pedestrians to go
    about their business. It all seemed to work quite well. The only
    "traffic control" measures there were single yellow lines to
    discourage long-term obstructions.
    In short, because of higher perceived danger levels, much more
    caution is exercised, and a street ends up being safer.

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  7. Nathaniel Porter said:

    "Tony Raven" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    David Off said:


    France? Traffic Calming... I guess the author has never been to
    France.

    They calm their drivers with a bottle of vin rouge ;-)

    Tony

    This reminds me of something I saw on the Discovery channel once.

    Bascially, they took one one driver, and tested him on a private
    track.

    They found him to be aggressive, selfish, and unwill to acknowledge
    his limitations

    They then gave him a joint to smoke, and repeated the test.

    His driving improved - the theory being that the cannabis, whilst
    limiting his ability to drive, made him more relaxed and made him
    more aware of his limitations.

    Obviously (and as was pointed out in the programme), this doesn't mean
    driving while stoned should be legal, but it was an interesting, if
    unexpected result - and certainly worthy of more investigation.

    Thought I'd just throw that in for the sake of conversation :-)

    Dope messes with your perception of speed, smoke enough and try to drive and
    the cops will pull you over for doing 10 mph on a clear road.

    --
    Andy Morris

    AndyAtJinkasDotFreeserve.Co.UK

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  8. AndyMorris said:


    Dope messes with your perception of speed, smoke enough and try to drive and
    the cops will pull you over for doing 10 mph on a clear road.

    Sounds like that might have been personal experience there ;-)

    Tony

  9. "AndyMorris" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Nathaniel Porter said:

    "Tony Raven" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    David Off wrote:
    >
    > France? Traffic Calming... I guess the author has never been to
    > France.

    They calm their drivers with a bottle of vin rouge ;-)

    Tony

    This reminds me of something I saw on the Discovery channel once.

    Bascially, they took one one driver, and tested him on a private
    track.

    They found him to be aggressive, selfish, and unwill to acknowledge
    his limitations

    They then gave him a joint to smoke, and repeated the test.

    His driving improved - the theory being that the cannabis, whilst
    limiting his ability to drive, made him more relaxed and made him
    more aware of his limitations.

    Obviously (and as was pointed out in the programme), this doesn't mean
    driving while stoned should be legal, but it was an interesting, if
    unexpected result - and certainly worthy of more investigation.

    Thought I'd just throw that in for the sake of conversation :-)

    Dope messes with your perception of speed, smoke enough and try to drive


    and

    Quoted message said:

    the cops will pull you over for doing 10 mph on a clear road.

    Which is what you'd expect - but this didn't happen in the (obviously
    relatively unscientific) experiment shown above. What did happen was he
    drove slowly (but not that slowly), and was so paranoid about hitting
    anything or messing up (which is one of the effects of dope) that he
    actually drove carefully and did manage to spot all the hazards thrown at
    him, and he dealt with them well.

    Just to reiterate, I'm not meaning to say that driving while stoned should
    be legal - but as I say the results of this experiment were rather
    unexpected and most interesting :-)

  10. Nathaniel Porter said:


    Which is what you'd expect - but this didn't happen in the (obviously
    relatively unscientific) experiment shown above. What did happen was he
    drove slowly (but not that slowly), and was so paranoid about hitting
    anything or messing up (which is one of the effects of dope) that he
    actually drove carefully and did manage to spot all the hazards thrown at
    him, and he dealt with them well.

    Just to reiterate, I'm not meaning to say that driving while stoned should
    be legal - but as I say the results of this experiment were rather
    unexpected and most interesting :-)

    {Puff} Like yeah man {puff}

    Tony ;-)

  11. David Off said:
    Marc Brett said:

    The pilot
    projects were so successful in fostering better urban environments
    that the ideas spread rapidly to Belgium, France

    France? Traffic Calming... I guess the author has never been to France.

    That's why it doesn't work..... if you go to St-Omer from the Tunnel via
    the N road, not the motorway, you used to go through a village (now,
    happily, bypassed) which had no fewer than 9 pedestrian crossings, as
    advertised at the start of the speed limit signs. Never saw any
    pedestrians using them, though, or any traffic taking any notice.

    Some "passages cloutés" are raised up, though, making their own speed
    bumps.
    --
    Annabel Smyth [email hidden]
    http://www.amsmyth.demon.co.uk/index.html
    Website updated 6 June 2004

  12. Annabel Smyth wrote:

    [ ... ]

    Quoted message said:

    ..... if you go to St-Omer from the Tunnel
    via the N road, not the motorway, you used to go through a village
    (now, happily, bypassed) which had no fewer than 9 pedestrian
    crossings, as advertised at the start of the speed limit signs.
    Never saw any pedestrians using them, though, or any traffic taking
    any notice.

    I have stopped at such crossing-places (in France and Belgium) in the past,
    only to be met with bemused stares from the waiting pedestrians (who seem
    not prepared to cross until all the traffic is dissipated - thereby undoing
    the purpose of the the crossings) and blasts of the horn from following
    drivers.

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  13. JNugent said:

    Annabel Smyth wrote:

    [ ... ]

    Quoted message said:

    ..... if you go to St-Omer from the Tunnel
    via the N road, not the motorway, you used to go through a village
    (now, happily, bypassed) which had no fewer than 9 pedestrian
    crossings, as advertised at the start of the speed limit signs.
    Never saw any pedestrians using them, though, or any traffic taking
    any notice.

    I have stopped at such crossing-places (in France and Belgium) in the past,
    only to be met with bemused stares from the waiting pedestrians (who seem
    not prepared to cross until all the traffic is dissipated - thereby undoing
    the purpose of the the crossings) and blasts of the horn from following
    drivers.

    Same happened to me when I was cycling in France; stopped at "zebra
    crossing" to allow waiting peds to cross. Result; peds continue to
    wait, I continue to wait and motorised traffic continues to flow.
    Bemused looks between cyclists and French people.

  14. In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden]
    says...

    Quoted message said:

    Nathaniel Porter wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    This reminds me of something I saw on the Discovery channel once.

    Bascially, they took one one driver, and tested him on a private
    track.

    They found him to be aggressive, selfish, and unwill to acknowledge
    his limitations

    They then gave him a joint to smoke, and repeated the test.

    His driving improved - the theory being that the cannabis, whilst
    limiting his ability to drive, made him more relaxed and made him
    more aware of his limitations.

    Obviously (and as was pointed out in the programme), this doesn't mean
    driving while stoned should be legal, but it was an interesting, if
    unexpected result - and certainly worthy of more investigation.

    Thought I'd just throw that in for the sake of conversation :-)

    Dope messes with your perception of speed, smoke enough and try to drive and
    the cops will pull you over for doing 10 mph on a clear road.

    Sounds like that episode of "The Detectives" where Jasper Carrot and Robert
    Powell eat the "oxo" cubes they found, and ended up driving down the road,
    noses to the windscreen, and Carrot screaming "We're going too fast" while
    going slower than walking pace!

    Pete.

    --
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    Remove the news and underscore from my address to reply by mail

  15. "Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Mind-blowing article about the European and Chinese challenges to the
    received wisdom on traffic planning and calming, arguing that the
    separation of peds and cars leads to less-safe streets:

    Now that really /is/ new. Unless you've read JS Dean's 1946 book
    "Murder Most Foul". Or Bob Davis' "Death On The Streets". Or Mayer
    Hillman's "One False Move".

    Guy

    Mention of Mayer Hillman reminded me of a view he expressed in a meeting I
    attended. He suggested all car bumpers should be made of glass and drivers
    seated on them. His view was that standards of driving will go up
    immediately. Seeing how Volvo drivers seem to have total disregard for their
    and all other road users' safety, I suspect the safety cocoon they have
    purchased has lulled them into a sense of false security - at least for the
    rest of us!

  16. On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 18:22:59 +0100, "Paul Dicken"
    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    <[email hidden]>:

    Quoted message said:

    Mention of Mayer Hillman reminded me of a view he expressed in a meeting I
    attended. He suggested all car bumpers should be made of glass and drivers
    seated on them. His view was that standards of driving will go up
    immediately. Seeing how Volvo drivers seem to have total disregard for their
    and all other road users' safety, I suspect the safety cocoon they have
    purchased has lulled them into a sense of false security - at least for the
    rest of us!

    For varying values of Volvo drivers.

    http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk/web/public.nsf/Documents/GPV

    Guy
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    http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk

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  17. Paul Dicken said:

    "Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    message news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Mind-blowing article about the European and Chinese challenges to
    the received wisdom on traffic planning and calming, arguing that
    the separation of peds and cars leads to less-safe streets:

    Now that really /is/ new. Unless you've read JS Dean's 1946 book
    "Murder Most Foul". Or Bob Davis' "Death On The Streets". Or
    Mayer Hillman's "One False Move".

    Guy

    Mention of Mayer Hillman reminded me of a view he expressed in a
    meeting I attended. He suggested all car bumpers should be made of
    glass and drivers seated on them. His view was that standards of
    driving will go up immediately.

    .... because people driving in a vulnerable vehicle would drive more
    safely? That idea didn't seem to work before seat belts were invented,
    when occupants used to die by being ejected through the windscreen.
    Indeed it still happens. We've all read stories of late-night crashes
    where a carful of young people were killed or injured after they were
    thrown from their car, presumably because they were too drunk or high to
    remember to put on their seat belts.
    --
    Richard J.
    (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

  18. On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 20:08:54 GMT, "Richard J."
    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    <[email hidden]>:

    Quoted message said:

    ... because people driving in a vulnerable vehicle would drive more
    safely? That idea didn't seem to work before seat belts were invented,
    when occupants used to die by being ejected through the windscreen.
    Indeed it still happens.

    On the other hand, they drive less carefully when protected by
    airbags, abs and seatbelts.

    Guy
    --
    May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
    http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk

    88% of helmet statistics are made up, 65% of them at Washington University

  19. Just zis Guy said:

    On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 20:08:54 GMT, "Richard J."
    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    <[email hidden]>:

    Quoted message said:

    ... because people driving in a vulnerable vehicle would drive more
    safely? That idea didn't seem to work before seat belts were invented,
    when occupants used to die by being ejected through the windscreen.
    Indeed it still happens.

    On the other hand, they drive less carefully when protected by
    airbags, abs and seatbelts.

    Guy

    Not all of them do, ta :-) I don't rely on ABS to stop me quicker - I
    use it to even out the fact that the car in front probably has it and
    will stop quicker than I can if I don't have it... so my driving hasn't
    changed in that respect. Seatbelts - always worn one, always will, so
    can't comment on how I'd drive without one. Airbags? I'd rather it
    didn't go off, ta, so it's another incentive to not have an accident
    that'll make it explode in front of me.

    Airbags have been implicated in some rather nasty accidents that might
    have been less nasty had the airbag not gone off, so I have very mixed
    feelings about being in a car equipped with several of the things.

    Yes it might stop me cracking my head open on the steering wheel, but on
    hte other hand I'd rather not have massive chest injuries caused by it..

    So it's not quite as clear cut that all the extra safety stuff makes
    people drive less carefully :-)

    --

    Velvet

  20. Velvet <[email hidden]> wrote:

    <Snipped Text>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    On the other hand, they drive less carefully when protected by
    airbags, abs and seatbelts.

    Guy

    Not all of them do, ta :-) I don't rely on ABS to stop me quicker - I
    use it to even out the fact that the car in front probably has it and
    will stop quicker than I can if I don't have it... so my driving hasn't
    changed in that respect. Seatbelts - always worn one, always will, so
    can't comment on how I'd drive without one. Airbags? I'd rather it
    didn't go off, ta, so it's another incentive to not have an accident
    that'll make it explode in front of me.

    Airbags have been implicated in some rather nasty accidents that might
    have been less nasty had the airbag not gone off, so I have very mixed
    feelings about being in a car equipped with several of the things.

    Agreed, although not because of what they do, I know how reliable they
    are(n't).

    Quoted message said:

    Yes it might stop me cracking my head open on the steering wheel, but on
    hte other hand I'd rather not have massive chest injuries caused by it..

    Actually it's wearing a seat belt that causes the chest injuries. An air
    bag only causes friction burns on your arms. All an air bag is designed
    to do is to stop whiplash injuries by absorbing your forward momentum.
    The bag is actually deflating as you hit it. If you don't wear a seat
    belt your face hits the steering wheel as the bag is deployed. This is
    where injuries occur - usually fatally. Hence the term 'Supplementary
    Restraint System'.

    Quoted message said:

    So it's not quite as clear cut that all the extra safety stuff makes
    people drive less carefully :-)

    It is, there are always a few exceptions. Unfortunately you can't easily
    measure it, but observations suggest that having the safety devices does
    indeed 'encourage' more aggressive driving.

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