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  1. Last night I was on the couch removing dressings from my skinned knees (covering them so suit pants dont get stuck to the knees - some of the gouging is quite wide and deep and is taking some time to dry out). Occasionally rubbing sore ribs while doing this.

    4 yr old daughter comes over and asks how it happened. Told her I was riding my bike over a few logs. She climbs up, gives me a peck on the forehead and says "Daddy, why didn't you just carry your bike over the logs?" Can't win that argument, can I!

  2. monsterman said:

    Last night I was on the couch removing dressings from my skinned knees
    (covering them so suit pants dont get stuck to the knees - some of the
    gouging is quite wide and deep and is taking some time to dry out).
    Occasionally rubbing sore ribs while doing this.

    Try this instead :

    http://www.aboc.com.au/docs/managing_road_rash.pdf

    *hint* drying out makes the wound take longer to heal.

  3. monsterman said:

    Last night I was on the couch removing dressings from my skinned knees (covering them so suit pants dont get stuck to the knees - some of the gouging is quite wide and deep and is taking some time to dry out). Occasionally rubbing sore ribs while doing this.

    4 yr old daughter comes over and asks how it happened. Told her I was riding my bike over a few logs. She climbs up, gives me a peck on the forehead and says "Daddy, why didn't you just carry your bike over the logs?" Can't win that argument, can I!

    I think you should sign her up straight away for the AIS MTB talent quest - she wins on a multitude of parameters :p 😄

  4. On 2006-04-04, monsterman (aka Bruce)
    was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:

    Quoted message said:


    Last night I was on the couch removing dressings from my skinned knees
    (covering them so suit pants dont get stuck to the knees - some of the
    gouging is quite wide and deep and is taking some time to dry out).
    Occasionally rubbing sore ribs while doing this.

    4 yr old daughter comes over and asks how it happened. Told her I was
    riding my bike over a few logs. She climbs up, gives me a peck on the
    forehead and says "Daddy, why didn't you just carry your bike over the
    logs?" Can't win that argument, can I!

    BUHAHAHAHAHA! Daddy's stupie head!

    --
    TimC
    "Saving four times is just paranoia. Unless you're using an Exabyte
    5gig/8mm tapedrive." -- Graham Reed

  5. I'm sure your firm would cope with shorts (combined with a tasteful
    Hawaian shirt, of course). What was the phrase, FIFO? All the evidence
    for need would be right there on display on your gnarly knees.

    Donga

  6. "Bleve" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    monsterman said:

    Last night I was on the couch removing dressings from my skinned knees
    (covering them so suit pants dont get stuck to the knees - some of the
    gouging is quite wide and deep and is taking some time to dry out).
    Occasionally rubbing sore ribs while doing this.

    Try this instead :

    http://www.aboc.com.au/docs/managing_road_rash.pdf

    *hint* drying out makes the wound take longer to heal.

    Interesting article. On the bonus disk of 'Overcoming' Jens Voight talks
    about keeping road rash wet as it (according to him) causes the wound(s) to
    heal from the inside to the outside. Not from the outside to the inside.

    Monsterman that must be one cute kid you have there!

  7. TimC said:


    BUHAHAHAHAHA! Daddy's stupie head!

    hehehehe. washing my mtb one day. youngest walks out and asks...
    "daddy? why do you clean the mud off? isnt it a mountain bike and arent mountains dirty?" 😄

  8. Rhubarb said:

    "Bleve" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    monsterman said:

    Last night I was on the couch removing dressings from my skinned knees
    (covering them so suit pants dont get stuck to the knees - some of the
    gouging is quite wide and deep and is taking some time to dry out).
    Occasionally rubbing sore ribs while doing this.

    Try this instead :

    http://www.aboc.com.au/docs/managing_road_rash.pdf

    *hint* drying out makes the wound take longer to heal.

    Interesting article. On the bonus disk of 'Overcoming' Jens Voight talks
    about keeping road rash wet as it (according to him) causes the wound(s) to
    heal from the inside to the outside. Not from the outside to the inside.

    Monsterman that must be one cute kid you have there!

    It's standard procedure to keep a wound "wet" (but clean!!)when healing leg wounds on horses, as it 1) helps keep scarring to a minimum 2) increases flexibility of granular healing tissue and scar tissue by not drying out 3) decreases excessive production of granular healing tissue (which can be problematic and cause complications in horses).

    I guess that's why band aids etc are recommended in the first instance. Also makes healing less painful if the wound is kept moist until the repair tissue fills in the gaps.

  9. "warrwych" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Rhubarb said:

    "Bleve" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    monsterman wrote:
    > Last night I was on the couch removing dressings from my skinned


    knees

    Quoted message said:

    > (covering them so suit pants dont get stuck to the knees - some of


    the

    Quoted message said:

    > gouging is quite wide and deep and is taking some time to dry


    out).

    Quoted message said:

    > Occasionally rubbing sore ribs while doing this.

    Try this instead :

    http://www.aboc.com.au/docs/managing_road_rash.pdf

    *hint* drying out makes the wound take longer to heal.

    Interesting article. On the bonus disk of 'Overcoming' Jens Voight
    talks
    about keeping road rash wet as it (according to him) causes the
    wound(s) to
    heal from the inside to the outside. Not from the outside to the
    inside.

    Monsterman that must be one cute kid you have there!

    It's standard procedure to keep a wound "wet" (but clean!!)when healing
    leg wounds on horses, as it 1) helps keep scarring to a minimum 2)
    increases flexibility of granular healing tissue and scar tissue by not
    drying out 3) decreases excessive production of granular healing tissue
    (which can be problematic and cause complications in horses).

    I guess that's why band aids etc are recommended in the first instance.
    Also makes healing less painful if the wound is kept moist until the
    repair tissue fills in the gaps.

    It's very interesting. I was brought up to let wounds (the usual scraps and
    cuts you get as a kid) dry out to help them heal. Bandaids were only used to
    stop actual bleeding and taken off as soon as possible.

    Futher more from my home brew experience it is always said that things are
    better kept dry than wet, as the wet environment promotes the growth of
    bacteria. And as beer is all knowing (and the more the drink the smarter you
    become) I naturally carried this lesson over to all other things in life.

    Fortunately I have only had minor road rash incidents, the only time I have
    came of a bike at speed was on a wet concrete road, which didn't rip me up
    like an ashpalt road would.

  10. Rhubarb said:

    "warrwych" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Rhubarb said:

    "Bleve" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    monsterman wrote:
    > Last night I was on the couch removing dressings from my skinned


    knees

    Quoted message said:

    > (covering them so suit pants dont get stuck to the knees - some of


    the

    Quoted message said:

    > gouging is quite wide and deep and is taking some time to dry


    out).

    Quoted message said:

    > Occasionally rubbing sore ribs while doing this.

    Try this instead :

    http://www.aboc.com.au/docs/managing_road_rash.pdf

    *hint* drying out makes the wound take longer to heal.

    Interesting article. On the bonus disk of 'Overcoming' Jens Voight
    talks
    about keeping road rash wet as it (according to him) causes the
    wound(s) to
    heal from the inside to the outside. Not from the outside to the
    inside.

    Monsterman that must be one cute kid you have there!

    It's standard procedure to keep a wound "wet" (but clean!!)when healing
    leg wounds on horses, as it 1) helps keep scarring to a minimum 2)
    increases flexibility of granular healing tissue and scar tissue by not
    drying out 3) decreases excessive production of granular healing tissue
    (which can be problematic and cause complications in horses).

    I guess that's why band aids etc are recommended in the first instance.
    Also makes healing less painful if the wound is kept moist until the
    repair tissue fills in the gaps.

    It's very interesting. I was brought up to let wounds (the usual scraps and
    cuts you get as a kid) dry out to help them heal. Bandaids were only used to
    stop actual bleeding and taken off as soon as possible.

    Futher more from my home brew experience it is always said that things are
    better kept dry than wet, as the wet environment promotes the growth of
    bacteria. And as beer is all knowing (and the more the drink the smarter you
    become) I naturally carried this lesson over to all other things in life.

    Fortunately I have only had minor road rash incidents, the only time I have
    came of a bike at speed was on a wet concrete road, which didn't rip me up
    like an ashpalt road would.

    it IS contrary to "commonsense" healing methods, but it works (I have had a LOT of experience healing horses' leg wounds!!). It's a slower healing method but more effective in the longterm for producing better quality scar tissue ie more pliable, less scar-like. The key is keeping the dressings clean and avoiding infection.

    Most nasty wounds I have dealt with, I have thoroughly scraped the wound clean,then packed the wound hole full with antibiotic cream and then some, waxed gauze over the top, wound pad over that, padding around the leg (to stop the bandage cutting in), then wrap that bundle up in a bandage or more usually elastoplast. I will then leave that dressing for at least 2 days, depending on the type of wound and severity. The more severe then the more likely I wont mess too much with it. 2 days later repeat, until the wound begins to fill with granular tissue. If you get infection then the wound wasnt clean in the first place when it was dressed.

    That's been my standard process for dealing with wounds on horses and it works most of the time.

  11. all this talk about horses is making me hungry

  12. quote='Bleve'monsterman said:

    Last night I was on the couch removing dressings from my skinned knees
    (covering them so suit pants dont get stuck to the knees - some of the
    gouging is quite wide and deep and is taking some time to dry out).
    Occasionally rubbing sore ribs while doing this.

    Try this instead :

    http://www.aboc.com.au/docs/managing_road_rash.pdf

    *hint* drying out makes the wound take longer to heal.[/QUOTE]

    The advice from Bleve is spot on. All I would add is that if you have real "road" rash then treat it as a burn as stated.
    Douse the wound with water immediately to cool the burn.
    Go to the Doc and get a prescription for "Gold Burn Ointment" to apply before applying the occlusive dressing.
    This method may be counter intuitive and you dont have the fun of picking at the scabs but its a much cleaner result.
    I usually have a script in my big FAK that I take on supported rides just in case.

    Cheers
    Hugh

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    Rhubarb Wrote:
    > "Bleve" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    > >
    > > monsterman wrote:
    > > > Last night I was on the couch removing dressings from my


    skinned

    Quoted message said:

    > knees
    > > > (covering them so suit pants dont get stuck to the knees - some


    of

    Quoted message said:

    > the
    > > > gouging is quite wide and deep and is taking some time to dry
    > out).
    > > > Occasionally rubbing sore ribs while doing this.
    > >
    > >
    > > Try this instead :
    > >
    > > http://www.aboc.com.au/docs/managing_road_rash.pdf
    > >
    > > *hint* drying out makes the wound take longer to heal.
    >
    > Interesting article. On the bonus disk of 'Overcoming' Jens Voight
    > talks
    > about keeping road rash wet as it (according to him) causes the
    > wound(s) to
    > heal from the inside to the outside. Not from the outside to the
    > inside.
    >
    > Monsterman that must be one cute kid you have there!

    It's standard procedure to keep a wound "wet" (but clean!!)when


    healing

    Quoted message said:

    leg wounds on horses, as it 1) helps keep scarring to a minimum 2)
    increases flexibility of granular healing tissue and scar tissue by


    not

    Quoted message said:

    drying out 3) decreases excessive production of granular healing


    tissue

    Quoted message said:

    (which can be problematic and cause complications in horses).

    I guess that's why band aids etc are recommended in the first


    instance.

    Quoted message said:

    Also makes healing less painful if the wound is kept moist until the
    repair tissue fills in the gaps.

    It's very interesting. I was brought up to let wounds (the usual scraps
    and
    cuts you get as a kid) dry out to help them heal. Bandaids were only
    used to
    stop actual bleeding and taken off as soon as possible.

    Futher more from my home brew experience it is always said that things
    are
    better kept dry than wet, as the wet environment promotes the growth
    of
    bacteria. And as beer is all knowing (and the more the drink the
    smarter you
    become) I naturally carried this lesson over to all other things in
    life.

    Fortunately I have only had minor road rash incidents, the only time I
    have
    came of a bike at speed was on a wet concrete road, which didn't rip me
    up
    like an ashpalt road would.

    it IS contrary to "commonsense" healing methods, but it works (I have
    had a LOT of experience healing horses' leg wounds!!). It's a slower
    healing method but more effective in the longterm for producing better
    quality scar tissue ie more pliable, less scar-like. The key is keeping
    the dressings clean and avoiding infection.

    Most nasty wounds I have dealt with, I have thoroughly scraped the
    wound clean,then packed the wound hole full with antibiotic cream and
    then some, waxed gauze over the top, wound pad over that, padding
    around the leg (to stop the bandage cutting in), then wrap that bundle
    up in a bandage or more usually elastoplast. I will then leave that
    dressing for at least 2 days, depending on the type of wound and
    severity. The more severe then the more likely I wont mess too much
    with it. 2 days later repeat, until the wound begins to fill with
    granular tissue. If you get infection then the wound wasnt clean in the
    first place when it was dressed.

    That's been my standard process for dealing with wounds on horses and
    it works most of the time.

    --
    warrwych

    Having had a fair bit of gravel rash (keen MTBer doesn't mean I'm any good!)
    I've found the following works:
    (1) As soon as possible, clean out the rash gouges. I've used a pot scourer
    (green nylon one) to do this. It can be painful but it gets the sand and
    rocks out. Do it in the shower so the water continually rinses the wound.
    Say (or scream) "AAAARGH" a lot.
    (2) Don't dry the wound, let the water run out of it, then dribble betadine
    liquid in.
    (3) Pack gouges with betadine cream, smear with savlon (or similar) and
    cover with that seaweed wound dressing.
    (4) Cover with a neoprene sleeve (I have a couple of those knee brace
    thingies and have cut tubes from arms and legs of an old 3mm wet suit to
    make covers for other bits).
    (5) Check dressings each morning - disturb as little as possible.

    I find my gravel rash heals within a week with minimal scarring. One tip -
    don't pick up the Deep Heat instead of the Savlon. Don't ask me how I
    know... :-\

    Cheers,

    Frank

  14. monsterman said:

    all this talk about horses is making me hungry

    want fries with that Sir??? 😄

  15. warrwych said:

    it IS contrary to "commonsense" healing methods, but it works (I have had a LOT of experience healing horses' leg wounds!!).


    Wow, your horses must have hard lives! Personally I was taught the same method as you when my horse had a cancer cut out of his back (luckily, the only wound I ever had to treat). I was to keep it as moist as possible and covered up. Anyone ever tried to do this to a horse? It's [censored] hard when all they want to do is have a good roll in the dirt. Anyway, the original wound which penetrated all layers of skin was about 17cm x 10cm, yet the scar (hairless patch) ended up being about 5cm x 2cm. I thought I did pretty well.

    Lotte

    P.S. Monsterman: Harden up, pet.

  16. LotteBum said:

    Wow, your horses must have hard lives! Personally I was taught the same method as you when my horse had a cancer cut out of his back (luckily, the only wound I ever had to treat). I was to keep it as moist as possible and covered up. Anyone ever tried to do this to a horse? It's [censored] hard when all they want to do is have a good roll in the dirt. Anyway, the original wound which penetrated all layers of skin was about 17cm x 10cm, yet the scar (hairless patch) ended up being about 5cm x 2cm. I thought I did pretty well.

    Lotte

    P.S. Monsterman: Harden up, pet.

    *laughing*, no, just handled a LOT of horses (and racehorses at that - they are the worst!!)

    You did a great job at healing that patch up. Legs are harder to heal cleanly due to blood flow restrictions to the area. But yes, keeping a back clean (when it probably irritated like crazy and was in need of a good scratch!!) is a hell of a lot harder than a leg.

    My current mare was a shocker as a baby. The most expensive horse I have ever bought and was constantly cutting her legs up in the most unlikely ways, ulcerated her eye on a stick etc. She also overproduces granular tissue so a small nick will scar up badly. Bloody show horse! :p

  17. monsterman said:

    Last night I was on the couch removing dressings from my skinned knees (covering them so suit pants dont get stuck to the knees - some of the gouging is quite wide and deep and is taking some time to dry out). Occasionally rubbing sore ribs while doing this.

    4 yr old daughter comes over and asks how it happened. Told her I was riding my bike over a few logs. She climbs up, gives me a peck on the forehead and says "Daddy, why didn't you just carry your bike over the logs?" Can't win that argument, can I!


    I am sure all the methods detailed in the many responses to this work but seriously you cant beat honey on gravel rash/burns for fast healing and reduced or no scarring. Simple, cheap and effective.

    CC

  18. Plodder said:

    -- Snip

    Having had a fair bit of gravel rash (keen MTBer doesn't mean I'm any good!)
    I've found the following works:
    (1) As soon as possible, clean out the rash gouges. I've used a pot scourer
    (green nylon one) to do this. It can be painful but it gets the sand and
    rocks out. Do it in the shower so the water continually rinses the wound.
    Say (or scream) "AAAARGH" a lot.

    Frank

    SNIP

    Cleaning the wound thoroughly is very important for quick infection free healing.
    If you know someone who works in a hospital or Army RAP get hold of some Betadine Surcical Scrubs. Packaged nylon scrubbing brush impregnated with betadine. More effective than a pot scourer and much less aggressive. Will remember the hint in case I have to improvise.

    Correction of error in my previous post.
    Use SILVAZINE Burn Cream to apply to wound before applying occlusive dressing.
    Mixed up with my precious metals. The Gold ointment used to be popular for a sty in the eye. OOps.
    Doctor would have put things right as its a common name mixup.

    Then continue with the Bleve treatment.

    Keep the rubber side down.

    Hugh

  19. warrwych said:

    My current mare was a shocker as a baby. The most expensive horse I have ever bought and was constantly cutting her legs up in the most unlikely ways, ulcerated her eye on a stick etc. She also overproduces granular tissue so a small nick will scar up badly. Bloody show horse! :p


    Haven't had much to do with show horses. The only show I ever entered got me champion in both the lead and ridden class for the breed, I got invited to the Ekka but that was impossible as my parents didn't have a float (I rode 14km each way to the only show I ever went to... ).

    Not sure about your experiences, but I'm not sure about the general integrity of horse racing industry. My horse (ex trotter) was incredibly scared of people, extremely headshy and had a massive scar across his tongue which, according to our vet, was common in trotters. Apparently the trainers have some wild ways of stopping horses from getting their tongue over the bit, some involving fishing line and barbed wire. Anyway, that'd be why I never support horse racing.

    Lotte

  20. LotteBum said:

    Haven't had much to do with show horses. The only show I ever entered got me champion in both the lead and ridden class for the breed, I got invited to the Ekka but that was impossible as my parents didn't have a float (I rode 14km each way to the only show I ever went to... ).

    Not sure about your experiences, but I'm not sure about the general integrity of horse racing industry. My horse (ex trotter) was incredibly scared of people, extremely headshy and had a massive scar across his tongue which, according to our vet, was common in trotters. Apparently the trainers have some wild ways of stopping horses from getting their tongue over the bit, some involving fishing line and barbed wire. Anyway, that'd be why I never support horse racing.

    Lotte

    As with most things, there are good and bad (and down right evil) people roaming around. Fortunately I worked with/for people who respected their animals. I have heard of some horrific things done to performance horses across all disciplines, not just racing.

    I am not heavily involved in it anymore - the [censored] and sniping and ignorance of animal welfare got to me in the end. Now I potter around with my girl, help my friends & acquaintenances when they want help and basically keep to myself. Funnily enough, I dropped out of dressage judging becos of a particular training methodology that was (and still is) all the rage about 5 + yrs ago. That method is now under heavy debate as to its detrimental impact on the horse's welfare: mental and physical. One day I hope it is banned.

    And yes, even a 4 year old would be able to see a horse in pain (to bring it back on topic!)
    😉

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