ESPN interview on the tell all book about Lance

On 18 Jul 2004 05:16:32 -0700, [email hidden] (Pat Alsdrop)

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Watch ESPN Sunday morning July 18 at 9:30 on Outside the Lines. The
program will be about the book "L.A. Confidential". From the clips on
Sportscenter it doesn't look good for Lance

I just saw it. It seemed pretty reasonable in what was said but missed
two key points.

1. Lots of Lance's competition should be under equal clouds of
suspicion

2. Lots of other major sports probably have equally bad doping
problems but they have less testing, so less is known.

The host kept calling pro cycling a sport with a well known doping
problem. Can you imagine some commentator saying before Monday Night
Football "This week, the Jets version the Dolfins in a sport with a
well known doping problem."

JT

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Watch ESPN Sunday morning July 18 at 9:30 on Outside the Lines. The
program will be about the book "L.A. Confidential". From the clips on
Sportscenter it doesn't look good for Lance

Hmm, interesting piece. I don't believe emma knows anything. I believe
that journalist has no proof. Greg Lemond probably never liked LA, and who
cares if he was threatened for talking slander. Once again no proof.

His former teammate at motorola is the most damning, and its possible LA was
planning to dope or did start doping then, but can't admit that now. Its
also possible he's doping post-cancer, but that goes against the profile of
someone who has recovered from something like that. While anyone is glad
that drugs help them recover from illness, sensible people learn the side
effects of drugs and choose to get off of them asap. Then also they
consider it important to keep toxic things out of their body.

My take on it is yes, he may have doped at some point in his career, and is
trying to hide that. But other riders who once doped like virenque are
riding again. If he admitted anything now all his tours would be out the
window even if he stopped doping post-cancer. With Millar supposedly
admitting using EPO, and the fact that he never tested positive, this is the
main reason to still suspect LA at this point. But for what periods did
Millar admit it? Up to and including this year?

EPO boosts production of red blood cells. It should be possible to
statistically determine the difference between riders using EPO and not
using EPO during a race.

- Tony

Didn't pay much attention to the former teammate's accusations, what
were they and who was the teammate?

On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 14:27:20 GMT, "Tony"

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Pat Alsdrop wrote in message
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Watch ESPN Sunday morning July 18 at 9:30 on Outside the Lines. The
program will be about the book "L.A. Confidential". From the clips on
Sportscenter it doesn't look good for Lance

Hmm, interesting piece. I don't believe emma knows anything. I believe
that journalist has no proof. Greg Lemond probably never liked LA, and who
cares if he was threatened for talking slander. Once again no proof.

His former teammate at motorola is the most damning, and its possible LA was
planning to dope or did start doping then, but can't admit that now. Its
also possible he's doping post-cancer, but that goes against the profile of
someone who has recovered from something like that. While anyone is glad
that drugs help them recover from illness, sensible people learn the side
effects of drugs and choose to get off of them asap. Then also they
consider it important to keep toxic things out of their body.

My take on it is yes, he may have doped at some point in his career, and is
trying to hide that. But other riders who once doped like virenque are
riding again. If he admitted anything now all his tours would be out the
window even if he stopped doping post-cancer. With Millar supposedly
admitting using EPO, and the fact that he never tested positive, this is the
main reason to still suspect LA at this point. But for what periods did
Millar admit it? Up to and including this year?

EPO boosts production of red blood cells. It should be possible to
statistically determine the difference between riders using EPO and not
using EPO during a race.

- Tony

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Didn't pay much attention to the former teammate's accusations, what
were they and who was the teammate?

A motorola guy - Stephen Swart. Apparently its in the book. He said LA was
pressuring the whole team to dope as a way to compete better. But he didn't
actually say that he ever saw LA doping, or that he doped with LA or with
the team. I think its highly possible LA considered doping if not actually
doing it pre-cancer. Post cancer I would like to believe you learn how to
treat your body better. Others may say that seeing how powerful drugs could
help you heal might make someone choose to rely on drugs more. I personally
think he's a gifted athelete who has not doped post-cancer. The fact that
others like millar seem to have doesn't mean anything.

- Tony

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On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 14:27:20 GMT, "Tony"

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Watch ESPN Sunday morning July 18 at 9:30 on Outside the Lines. The
program will be about the book "L.A. Confidential". From the clips on
Sportscenter it doesn't look good for Lance

Hmm, interesting piece. I don't believe emma knows anything. I believe
that journalist has no proof. Greg Lemond probably never liked LA, and

who

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cares if he was threatened for talking slander. Once again no proof.

His former teammate at motorola is the most damning, and its possible LA

was

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planning to dope or did start doping then, but can't admit that now. Its
also possible he's doping post-cancer, but that goes against the profile

of

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someone who has recovered from something like that. While anyone is glad
that drugs help them recover from illness, sensible people learn the side
effects of drugs and choose to get off of them asap. Then also they
consider it important to keep toxic things out of their body.

My take on it is yes, he may have doped at some point in his career, and

is

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trying to hide that. But other riders who once doped like virenque are
riding again. If he admitted anything now all his tours would be out the
window even if he stopped doping post-cancer. With Millar supposedly
admitting using EPO, and the fact that he never tested positive, this is

the

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main reason to still suspect LA at this point. But for what periods did
Millar admit it? Up to and including this year?

EPO boosts production of red blood cells. It should be possible to
statistically determine the difference between riders using EPO and not
using EPO during a race.

- Tony

Darrell Criswell said:

Didn't pay much attention to the former teammate's accusations, what
were they and who was the teammate?

Steve Swart.

JT

"Pat Alsdrop" <[email hidden]...

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Watch ESPN Sunday morning July 18 at 9:30 on Outside the Lines. The

So you assume two things:

- "9:30" is a universal time throughout the world
- people who already know about ESPN already are way hip as to when this
show is on anyway.

Fred!

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On 18 Jul 2004 05:16:32 -0700, [email hidden] (Pat Alsdrop)

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Watch ESPN Sunday morning July 18 at 9:30 on Outside the Lines. The
program will be about the book "L.A. Confidential". From the clips on
Sportscenter it doesn't look good for Lance

I just saw it. It seemed pretty reasonable in what was said but missed
two key points.

1. Lots of Lance's competition should be under equal clouds of
suspicion

Quite right.

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2. Lots of other major sports probably have equally bad doping
problems but they have less testing, so less is known.

Right again.

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The host kept calling pro cycling a sport with a well known doping
problem. Can you imagine some commentator saying before Monday Night
Football "This week, the Jets version the Dolfins in a sport with a
well known doping problem."

But US football and Baseball have taken on the problem with marked success.
;-)

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JT

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"Pat Alsdrop" <[email hidden]...

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Watch ESPN Sunday morning July 18 at 9:30 on Outside the Lines. The

So you assume two things:

- "9:30" is a universal time throughout the world
- people who already know about ESPN already are way hip as to when this
show is on anyway.

Fred!

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program will be about

Kenny, you are turning into one of the more rediculous [censored] imaginable.
I don't give a [censored] what time zone, warp, ripple or wrinkle you're living
in. Check those local listings, Freda.

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"Ken Papai" <[email protected]@attbi_s04...

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"Pat Alsdrop" <[email hidden]...

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Watch ESPN Sunday morning July 18 at 9:30 on Outside the Lines. The

So you assume two things:

- "9:30" is a universal time throughout the world
- people who already know about ESPN already are way hip as to when this
show is on anyway.

Fred!

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program will be about

Kenny, you are turning into one of the more rediculous [censored]

imaginable.

At least I can spell simple common words.
It's embarrassing to you.

In my eyes, and most others in RBR, you Mr. Brian
are a big, one-dimensional, has-been, [censored].

So, you tell me?

You are right and all others are wrong?

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I don't give a [censored] what time zone, warp, ripple or wrinkle you're living
in. Check those local listings, Freda.

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Tony said:

His former teammate at motorola is the most damning, and its possible
LA was planning to dope or did start doping then, but can't admit
that now. Its also possible he's doping post-cancer, but that goes
against the profile of someone who has recovered from something like
that.

Where can I find this profile? How many smokers who get cancer continue to
smoke after they have beaten it?

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"Ken Papai" <[email protected]@attbi_s04...

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"Pat Alsdrop" <[email hidden]...
> Watch ESPN Sunday morning July 18 at 9:30 on Outside the Lines. The

So you assume two things:

- "9:30" is a universal time throughout the world
- people who already know about ESPN already are way hip as to when

this

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show is on anyway.

Fred!

> program will be about

Kenny, you are turning into one of the more rediculous [censored]

imaginable.

At least I can spell simple common words.
It's embarrassing to you.

Picture of Brian:
http://www.kenpapai.com/july/turkies5578.JPG

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In my eyes, and most others in RBR, you Mr. Brian
are a big, one-dimensional, has-been, [censored].

So, you tell me?

You are right and all others are wrong?

I read countless articles on Google groups on doping issues. "Does
Lance use Drugs," "Mayo has to be on something to beat Lance by 1:30"
.. The bottom line is this; Just like the kids in school who smoke
weed, the people that cut on their taxes, and George bush who has
screwed Millions of people. Yes athletes take performance enhancing
drugs. Not all of them, just the few who are greedy for success,
money, and power to kick everyone else's ass. Like cheating in a
simple game of poker they feel guilt just like everyone else. The
only difference is when you take performance enhancing drugs there is
no telling home years it takes off you life. If they want to take
drug and cheat, Fine. If they want to take years off their life, its
ok. It is their decision and if they get caught they have to deal
with the consequences.

Why does the amateur cyclist/fans have such a fascination with Doping
in their favorite professional athletes? The same reason you want to
hear the sad ending to a happy sorry. There is still some excitement
to being let down. Unless any professional athletes test positive or
get caught with drugs it is not right to accuse them of taking them.
How would you like to be accused of murder and be innocents? For an
innocent professional athlete to be accused of drugs is like killing
their heart. I feel for sorry for the first person that won or will
win the Tour de France clean. There will always be that person that
says they cheated. Only they will know if the are right or wrong.

You can not compare the pure satisfaction of winning a race clean or
Dirty. One person always sleeps better at night. Get off the subject.
Lance Say's he is clean. So he is clean.

J

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I read countless articles on Google groups on doping issues. "Does
Lance use Drugs," "Mayo has to be on something to beat Lance by 1:30"
. The bottom line is this; Just like the kids in school who smoke
weed, the people that cut on their taxes, and George bush who has

Keep your politics out of RBR.

Thanks!

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J

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From: "Ken Papai" [email hidden]

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Keep your politics out of RBR.

Thanks!

At least in July. I think most of us would be glad to have a
cycling/politics/drugs thread to waste time on in say December.
Steve/Brian this is July so save it.
Bill C

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From: "Ken Papai" [email hidden]

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Keep your politics out of RBR.

Thanks!

At least in July. I think most of us would be glad to have a
cycling/politics/drugs thread to waste time on in say December.
Steve/Brian this is July so save it.
Bill C

Now Bill, have I commented on Mr. Bush's Tour and election predictions?

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From: "Ken Papai" [email hidden]

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Keep your politics out of RBR.

Thanks!

At least in July. I think most of us would be glad to have a
cycling/politics/drugs thread to waste time on in say December.
Steve/Brian this is July so save it.
Bill C

Actually, my last political post the posting of Krugman's bio on 7/2. I
haven't tested positive for political rant since the Tour started.

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From: "B. Lafferty" [email hidden]

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Actually, my last political post the posting of Krugman's bio on 7/2. I
haven't tested positive for political rant since the Tour started.

You and me both. After I inadvertently triggered the "Stevie Bomb" I've been
avoiding it.
Bill C

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Didn't pay much attention to the former teammate's accusations, what
were they and who was the teammate?

A motorola guy - Stephen Swart. Apparently its in the book. He said LA was
pressuring the whole team to dope as a way to compete better. But he didn't
actually say that he ever saw LA doping, or that he doped with LA or with
the team. I think its highly possible LA considered doping if not actually
doing it pre-cancer.

I seem to recall that in a 1995 Tour ITT, Indurain passed Armstrong
after 16K. If Armstrong was doping, it wasn't too effective. It may
have led him to consider it though.

-ilan

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But US football and Baseball have taken on the problem with marked success.
;-)

How true. They both have some of the most successful dopers participating
on a regular basis.
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