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  1. "Mark Thompson" <[email hidden] (change warm for hot)> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I set an example when I jump red lights by dismounting and walking past


    'em,

    Quoted message said:

    then remounting the other side. Makes a nice balance between speed and


    the

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    law, and /really/ annoys the car drivers - I've got ahead of 'em without cheating!

    You don't ride through Virginia Water sometimes, do you? There's a guy who rides there who does
    exactly what you describe. I keep passing him and then he walks his bike across the lights when
    they're on red. It really annoys me - and I'm on a bike!
    ___
    Michael MacClancy

  2. (dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers) said:

    But I wouldn't describe assertive cycling as being aggressive. Riding assertively is riding safely.

    I ride assertively. You ride aggressively. He (she or it) rides like a complete w*nker.

    Isn't that the normal conjugation of the verb? <s>

    Pete Barrett

  3. "Trevor Barton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    snipped very wise post.

    As an Australian living in England,

    Quoted message said:

    I even have something in common with the English Rugby team, but it's slipped my mind what? Oh
    yeah, that's right, I live here :-)

    You might have something else in common with them ...... you'd all rather be living somewhere warmer
    right now ;-)
    ___
    Michael MacClancy

  4. "Pete Biggs" wrote (in respone to chris harrison)

    Quoted message said:

    I think you can be satisfied with setting a "good" example yourself. I don't think you'll convert
    many "bad" cyclists by telling them off - whom in many cases aren't causing any trouble but are
    merely breaking rules, that while applying to cyclists in law, were actually designed for
    motorists. Exceptions might be having a go at those who really have caused trouble or educating
    children who genuienly don't seem to have a clue about their own safety.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    So while most cyclists don't break the rules, we're all assumed to be habitual red-light-runners
    who cycle around with no light and a flagrant disregard for all traffic laws. I get the
    impression that pointing these things out to other cyclists is letting the side down
    - is that fair?

    I don't think it does any good - including to one's own blood pressure.

    Agree. I use to moan at other cyclists, but found I was just turning into Mr Grumpy. I now see
    myself as an example setter. A sort of reassurance for them - I hope my actions are saying "Look,
    it's OK to stop and wait at lights - see, I am doing it and in doing so I am displaying to motorists
    that _I_ am _also_ traffic.

    --
    Cheerful pedalling John Mallard

  5. "Mark Thompson" <[email hidden] (change warm for hot)> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I set an example when I jump red lights by dismounting and walking past


    'em,

    Quoted message said:

    then remounting the other side. Makes a nice balance between speed and


    the

    Quoted message said:

    law, and /really/ annoys the car drivers - I've got ahead of 'em without cheating!

    You don't ride through Virginia Water sometimes, do you? There's a guy who rides there who does
    exactly what you describe. I keep passing him and then he walks his bike across the lights when
    they're on red. It really annoys me - and I'm on a bike!
    ___
    Michael MacClancy

  6. "Mark Thompson" <[email hidden] (change warm for hot)>typed

    Quoted message said:

    It's not that it's unfair, it's just that it's easier for the yob on the cycle to take a swing at
    you than it is for someone in their tin box. Also, the cyclist hasn't just tried to run you down!
    I set an example when I jump red lights by dismounting and walking past 'em, then remounting the
    other side. Makes a nice balance between speed and the law, and /really/ annoys the car drivers -
    I've got ahead of 'em without cheating!

    If you wheel your bike past a red light, you *are* breaking the law...

    --
    Helen D. Vecht: [email hidden] Edgware.

  7. "Trevor Barton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    snipped very wise post.

    As an Australian living in England,

    Quoted message said:

    I even have something in common with the English Rugby team, but it's slipped my mind what? Oh
    yeah, that's right, I live here :-)

    You might have something else in common with them ...... you'd all rather be living somewhere warmer
    right now ;-)
    ___
    Michael MacClancy

  8. Mark Thompson said:

    I set an example when I jump red lights by dismounting and walking past 'em, then remounting the
    other side.

    Why ?

    --
    The Reply & From email addresses are checked rarely. mseries.freeserve.co.ukmseries.freeserve.co.uk

  9. "Mark Thompson" <[email hidden] (change warm for hot)>typed

    Quoted message said:

    It's not that it's unfair, it's just that it's easier for the yob on the cycle to take a swing at
    you than it is for someone in their tin box. Also, the cyclist hasn't just tried to run you down!
    I set an example when I jump red lights by dismounting and walking past 'em, then remounting the
    other side. Makes a nice balance between speed and the law, and /really/ annoys the car drivers -
    I've got ahead of 'em without cheating!

    If you wheel your bike past a red light, you *are* breaking the law...

    --
    Helen D. Vecht: [email hidden] Edgware.

  10. Mark Thompson said:

    I set an example when I jump red lights by dismounting and walking past 'em, then remounting the
    other side.

    Why ?

    --
    The Reply & From email addresses are checked rarely. mseries.freeserve.co.ukmseries.freeserve.co.uk

  11. On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 20:36:59 +0000 someone who may be Trevor Barton <[email hidden]>
    wrote this:-

    Quoted message said:

    Motorists don't deliberately target cyclists, irrespective of the stories that are often told here

    news.bbc.co.uk2725329.stm

    --
    David Hansen, Edinburgh | PGP email preferred-key number F566DA0E I will always explain revoked
    keys, unless the UK government prevents me using the RIP Act 2000.

  12. "Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    chris harrison said:

    Just how much espirit de corps should cyclists exhibit toward each other?

    A cheery wave to all law-abiding types going the other way,

    If you're used to doing this like I am in sunny Yorkshire, then carry on doing so in Cambridge when
    down for a visit, you get roundly ignored...

    cheers, clive

  13. On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 20:36:59 +0000 someone who may be Trevor Barton <[email hidden]>
    wrote this:-

    Quoted message said:

    Motorists don't deliberately target cyclists, irrespective of the stories that are often told here

    news.bbc.co.uk2725329.stm

    --
    David Hansen, Edinburgh | PGP email preferred-key number F566DA0E I will always explain revoked
    keys, unless the UK government prevents me using the RIP Act 2000.

  14. "Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    chris harrison said:

    Just how much espirit de corps should cyclists exhibit toward each other?

    A cheery wave to all law-abiding types going the other way,

    If you're used to doing this like I am in sunny Yorkshire, then carry on doing so in Cambridge when
    down for a visit, you get roundly ignored...

    cheers, clive

  15. "Mark Thompson" <[email hidden] (change warm for hot)>typed

    Quoted message said:

    It's not that it's unfair, it's just that it's easier for the yob on the cycle to take a swing at
    you than it is for someone in their tin box. Also, the cyclist hasn't just tried to run you down!
    I set an example when I jump red lights by dismounting and walking past 'em, then remounting the
    other side. Makes a nice balance between speed and the law, and /really/ annoys the car drivers -
    I've got ahead of 'em without cheating!

    If you wheel your bike past a red light, you *are* breaking the law...

    --
    Helen D. Vecht: [email hidden] Edgware.

  16. On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 20:09:35 -0000, Mark Thompson <[email hidden] (change warm for

    hot) said:

    I set an example when I jump red lights by dismounting and walking past 'em, then remounting the
    other side. Makes a nice balance between speed and the law, and /really/ annoys the car drivers -
    I've got ahead of 'em without cheating!

    I set an example and get a bit of a breather by stopping at the line and waiting for the lights to
    change. To be honest by the time I'd have dismounted, crossed the road and remounted the lights
    would have changed and I'd then have to wait to pull off into traffic.

    Colin
    --

  17. Mark Thompson said:

    I set an example when I jump red lights by dismounting and walking past 'em, then remounting the
    other side.

    Why ?

    --
    The Reply & From email addresses are checked rarely. mseries.freeserve.co.ukmseries.freeserve.co.uk

  18. Trevor Barton wrote:

    <extreme snipping>

    Quoted message said:

    Motorists don't deliberately target cyclists, irrespective


    of the stories that are often told here - those same stupid

    Quoted message said:

    motorists who star in anecdotes in here will be acting just as aggressively towards all other
    road users.

    Don't believe it.

  19. On Thu, 4 Dec 2003 20:09:35 -0000, Mark Thompson <[email hidden] (change warm for

    hot) said:

    I set an example when I jump red lights by dismounting and walking past 'em, then remounting the
    other side. Makes a nice balance between speed and the law, and /really/ annoys the car drivers -
    I've got ahead of 'em without cheating!

    I set an example and get a bit of a breather by stopping at the line and waiting for the lights to
    change. To be honest by the time I'd have dismounted, crossed the road and remounted the lights
    would have changed and I'd then have to wait to pull off into traffic.

    Colin
    --

  20. Trevor Barton wrote:

    <extreme snipping>

    Quoted message said:

    Motorists don't deliberately target cyclists, irrespective


    of the stories that are often told here - those same stupid

    Quoted message said:

    motorists who star in anecdotes in here will be acting just as aggressively towards all other
    road users.

    Don't believe it.

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