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  1. Original post
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    Where do we go from here?

    Another rider comes out of the woodwork and what happens next? Luckily
    for T Mobile a change of roster and a new image at the end of last
    season has perhaps given them a clean break. What does it mean for the
    likes of 'great british hope for the future' Mark Cavendish? I'm
    hopeful that we really can see a clean peloton in the future but as it
    appears this has never been the case will my hopes and dreams ever
    come true?

    Here's to Bob Stapleton and his young T Mobile bucaneers. Good luck
    boys - do it clean!

    "Telekom has been an active sponsor of cycling for 16 years and has
    always strived to take responsibility for the sport. At present
    cycling is not image-enhancing, so we had two possibilities; either to
    pull the plug on our sponsoring or fulfill our sponsorship agreement
    until 2010.

    "We have decided on the latter course. We want to give Bob Stapleton
    and his young team the chance to continue on their clean, clear and
    transparent course - and live up to our commitment and responsibility
    to shape change in cycling. That is what we set out to do when we re-
    launched the team last September."

    http://www.t-mobile-team.com/tmo_team/servlet/pages/934794/ref/889390

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  2. DirtRoadie
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    Where do we go from here?

    Well I'm wondering what we will be learning about Telekom riders in,
    say, the '96 Tour. Anybody remember who was riding for them there and
    how they did?

    DR

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  3. Jan
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    DirtRoadie said:
    Quoted message said:

    Where do we go from here?

    Well I'm wondering what we will be learning about Telekom riders in,
    say, the '96 Tour. Anybody remember who was riding for them there and
    how they did?

    DR

    Please help save cycle racing.
    Support us in the "UCI and Doping Solution" thread.

    Jan

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  4. RonSonic
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    Jan said:
    DirtRoadie said:
    Quoted message said:

    Where do we go from here?

    Well I'm wondering what we will be learning about Telekom riders in,
    say, the '96 Tour. Anybody remember who was riding for them there and
    how they did?

    DR

    Please help save cycle racing.
    Support us in the "UCI and Doping Solution" thread.

    Sorry, bad idea.

    It sounds good, but walk it through from the POV of each player. You'd think a
    game as clever and subtle as bike racing that depends so much on understanding
    and working with and against the self-interests and resources of your
    competitors would produce better thinking than that silly, dramatic gesture.

    That's what it is, silly and dramatic. Makes as much sense as going to the front
    and riding everyone off your wheel.

    A good system is one that forces the riders, however reluctantly, to work with
    the system. Not one that forces them to fight it to the death. The present
    system and the one you propose do that.

    Ron

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    Quoted message said:

    Please help save cycle racing.
    Support us in the "UCI and Doping Solution" thread.

    Are you under the laughable impression that you can do anything and
    that the UCI will listen to you?

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  6. Jan
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    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Please help save cycle racing.
    Support us in the "UCI and Doping Solution" thread.

    Are you under the laughable impression that you can do anything and
    that the UCI will listen to you?

    No, not just me.

    Jan

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  7. Curtis L. Russell
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    RonSonic said:

    A good system is one that forces the riders, however reluctantly, to work with
    the system. Not one that forces them to fight it to the death. The present
    system and the one you propose do that.

    The fundamental flaw is the lack of a union that has teeth - and I'm
    not particularly a union kind of guy. No matter what you propose, the
    rider that is charged or confesses is out in the wind, all by
    themselves. Maybe they have a small fortune to burn through, maybe
    not, but it is one person and no leverage to straighten any bends in
    the system.

    It takes a stand up person with way more backbone than most or someone
    with nothing more to lose to step away and know pretty much the only
    ones with you are the real friends - and no one has as many as they
    think - and people you can pay.

    Hell, you should see the little things and how people can't make
    themselves do the right thing. Too many people choose what they think
    other people will think over doing what's right.

    Curtis L. Russell
    Odenton, MD (USA)
    Just someone on two wheels...

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  8. DirtRoadie
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    DirtRoadie said:
    Quoted message said:

    Where do we go from here?

    Well I'm wondering what we will be learning about Telekom riders in,
    say, the '96 Tour. Anybody remember who was riding for them there and
    how they did?

    It's all coming back to me now that one of them is holding a news
    conference tomorrow.
    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601085&sid=aAc2l_jUDiNI

    DR

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  9. Mike
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    DirtRoadie said:

    It's all coming back to me now that one of them is holding a news
    conference tomorrow.http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601085&sid=aAc2l_jUDiNI

    DR

    I think we can guess what "Mr. 60%" might fess up to.

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  10. Keith
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    #10
    Quoted message said:

    Where do we go from here?

    Another rider comes out of the woodwork and what happens next? Luckily
    for T Mobile a change of roster and a new image at the end of last
    season has perhaps given them a clean break. What does it mean for the
    likes of 'great british hope for the future' Mark Cavendish? I'm
    hopeful that we really can see a clean peloton in the future but as it
    appears this has never been the case will my hopes and dreams ever
    come true?

    Here's to Bob Stapleton and his young T Mobile bucaneers. Good luck
    boys - do it clean!

    Right, and remind me how old Guerini and Gonchar are ? Talk about
    building a clean team !

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