EPO and Hobby Cyclists

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Originally posted by Gunny Bunny
Is EPO really that dangerous ??

If your not concerned about the (greatly) increased risk of heart attacks due to your blood thickening, than I would say no...

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Gunny Bunny said:

Is EPO really that dangerous ??

If your not concerned about the (greatly) increased risk
of heart attacks due to your blood thickening, than I
would say no...

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IMO, EPO is of little practical value to anyone but an elite
athlete (and of course those with serious medical
conditions).

Increasing the amount of oxygen available to muscles will
only help if the muscles are trained to such a state that
they can use all the oxygen already available. If your
muscles are not able to use all the oxygen available (the
case with most of us), increasing red blood cells to provide
more oxygen (the action of EPO) won't be of much help.

Gunny Bunny said:

Is EPO really that easy to get ahold of and is it really
that dangerous ??

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Oh, u make some good points there 🙂

However, I tend to disagree, we all get tired 'eventually'
and gasp for air, if we have more platelets, we would not
tire as quickly.

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IMO, EPO is of little practical value to anyone but an
elite athlete (and

of

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course those with serious medical conditions).

Increasing the amount of oxygen available to muscles will
only help if the muscles are trained to such a state that
they can use all the oxygen

already

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available. If your muscles are not able to use all the
oxygen available

(the

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case with most of us), increasing red blood cells to
provide more oxygen (the action of EPO) won't be of
much help.

Gunny Bunny said:

Is EPO really that easy to get ahold of and is it really
that dangerous ??

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Quoted post said:

Originally posted by Gunny Bunny
Oh, u make some good points there 🙂

However, I tend to disagree, we all get tired 'eventually'
and gasp for air, if we have more platelets, we would not
tire as quickly.

Did you miss read the fine print?!? (This stuff can kill ya!)

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Originally posted by Gunny Bunny
However, I tend to disagree, we all get tired 'eventually'
and gasp for air, if we have more platelets, we would not
tire as quickly.[/url]

EPO is going to help any kind of athlete that is utilizing oxygen in a high capacity. EPO increases red blood cell count and the blood is thickened with new platelets. The price possibility is fatality. Cyclists in the prime of their lives have died from EPO use. EPO was developed to help severely anemic patients in hospitals increase their red blood cell count. Usage by an even normal individual can have terrible consequences. Their are stories of professional cyclists that have died from EPO use. Don't do it.

Gunny Bunny said:

However, I tend to disagree, we all get tired 'eventually'
and gasp for air, if we have more platelets, we would not
tire as quickly.

Well, if you don't mind gambling with your health.....

Why do you think it's banned?

Derk

BaCardi said:

Gunny Bunny said:

However, I tend to disagree, we all get tired
'eventually' and

gasp for > air, if we have more platelets, we would not
tire as quickly.[/url]

EPO is going to help any kind of athlete that is
utilizing oxygen in a high capacity. EPO increases red
blood cell count and the blood is thickened with new
platelets. The price possibility is fatality. Cyclists in
the prime of their lives have died from EPO use. EPO was
developed to help severely anemic patients in hospitals
increase their red blood cell count. Usage by an even
normal individual can have terrible consequences. Their
are stories of professional cyclists that have died from
EPO use. Don't do it.

The key phrase here is athlete, especially elite athletes.
The title of this thread is hobby cyclist. I can tell you
from personal experience, that for someone of that
description (active, but not a trained athlete, certainly
nowhere near to their potential), EPO will not make much of
a difference during performance.

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Originally posted by Trg

BBaCardi said:

Gunny Bunny said:

However, I tend to disagree, we all get tired
'eventually' and

gasp for > air, if we have more platelets, we would not
tire as quickly.[/url]

EPO is going to help any kind of athlete that is
utilizing oxygen in a high capacity. EPO increases red
blood cell count and the blood is thickened with new
platelets. The price possibility is fatality. Cyclists in
the prime of their lives have died from EPO use. EPO was
developed to help severely anemic patients in hospitals
increase their red blood cell count. Usage by an even
normal individual can have terrible consequences. Their
are stories of professional cyclists that have died from
EPO use. Don't do it.

The key phrase here is athlete, especially elite athletes.
The title of this thread is hobby cyclist. I can tell you
from personal experience, that for someone of that
description (active, but not a trained athlete, certainly
nowhere near to their potential), EPO will not make much of
a difference during performance. [/B]

It will make a difference for any athlete, professional or amateur. It will make a difference for a bed-ridden patient in a hospital ward somewhere. And, it will make a difference with the normal individual person in between the extremes of elite athlete and anemic patient. THAT ISN'T THE POINT! This stuff is dangerous and it does kill!

In one winter about 18 Dutch amateurs died in their sleep
from this stuff.

DONT do it.

It's virtually impossible to get, if you're a moron.

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Originally posted by Fred
It's virtually impossible to get, if you're a moron.

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This is totally irresponsible for you to post a link to an online pharmacy where you can supposedly buy this stuff. 1) This stuff is dangerous and 2) There are illegal pharmacies like this one all over the place. You could do a search on google and find a lot of these places. They are illegal in the USA, Canada, Eurpeon nations, etc. I've read about places like this. They take your money and run.

EPO is and should be prescribed by physicians. It is a prescription drug and is illegal to purchase without consent and supervision from a doctor. The stuff is highly dangerous. Your suggestion of a place to buy the stuff is out of line. To the OP, DON'T DO IT!

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Fred said:

It's virtually impossible to get, if you're a moron.

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This is totally irresponsible for you to post a link to an
online pharmacy where you can supposedly buy this stuff.
1) This stuff is dangerous and 2) There are illegal
pharmacies like this one all over the place. You could do
a search on google and find a lot of these places. They
are illegal in the USA, Canada, Eurpeon nations, etc. I've
read about places like this. They take your money and run.

EPO is and should be prescribed by physicians. It is a
prescription drug and is illegal to purchase without
consent and supervision from a doctor. The stuff is highly
dangerous. Your suggestion of a place to buy the stuff is
out of line. To the OP, DON'T DO IT!

Well, Patani did it and it worked for him !!

trg said:

I can tell you from personal experience, that for someone
of that description (active, but not a trained athlete,
certainly nowhere near to their potential), EPO will not
make much of a difference during performance.

Read this first hand report from an amateur athlete
who took EPO:

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Originally posted by Gunny Bunny

Well, Patani did it and it worked for him !!

Troll...

On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 08:08:38 -0400, "Gunny Bunny" <[email hidden]> may

have said:

Is EPO really that easy to get ahold of

Yes.

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and is it really that dangerous ??

Yes, if improperly used. Of course, for some people, the
only safe dose is zero. In light of the lack of ability for
the average person to evaluate the drug's safety for their
own use, do you want to take the risk given the small
benefit that might theoretically be obtained? Bear in mind
that the most probable outcome of its use for someone who is
not a competitive-level athlete is that you won't be able to
tell much of a difference if any...

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BaCardi said:

This is totally irresponsible for you to post a link to an
online pharmacy where you can supposedly buy this stuff.

yea, he should have pointed out that froogle.google.com will
sort by price. god bless the internet.
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Is EPO really that easy to get ahold of and is it really
that dangerous ??

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Seems to me good solid traininng would make more of a
difference to hobby atheletes. How many of us get THAT close
to our maximum ability.

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Quoted post said:

Originally posted by Gunny Bunny
Is EPO really that easy to get ahold of and is it really
that dangerous ??

EPO is not a 'casual use' drug by any stretch of the imagination. The athletes who are (illegally) taking this drug are doing so under strict medical supervision and are subjected to frequent bloodwork. The cost of medical supervision and lab tests alone put make this impractical for the 'hobby cyclist', nevermind the acute dangers. This one can kill you, and you'd be wise to avoid flirting with it. You're better off taking up skydiving and not using a reserve chute.