EPO and Hobby Cyclists

Is EPO really that easy to get ahold of and is it really that dangerous ??

http://sport.guardian.co.uk/cycling/story/0,10482,1178479,00.html

http://uk.sports.yahoo.com/040325/2/2rhp.html

http://bicycling.about.com/library/weekly/aa052800a.htm

http://bicycling.about.com/library/weekly/aa022199.htm

Gunny Bunny said:

Is EPO really that dangerous ??

If your not concerned about the (greatly) increased risk of heart
attacks due to your blood thickening, than I would say no...

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Gunny Bunny said:

Is EPO really that dangerous ??

If your not concerned about the (greatly) increased risk of heart
attacks due to your blood thickening, than I would say no...

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IMO, EPO is of little practical value to anyone but an elite athlete (and of
course those with serious medical conditions).

Increasing the amount of oxygen available to muscles will only help if the
muscles are trained to such a state that they can use all the oxygen already
available. If your muscles are not able to use all the oxygen available (the
case with most of us), increasing red blood cells to provide more oxygen
(the action of EPO) won't be of much help.

Gunny Bunny said:

Is EPO really that easy to get ahold of and is it really that
dangerous ??

http://sport.guardian.co.uk/cycling/story/0,10482,1178479,00.html

http://uk.sports.yahoo.com/040325/2/2rhp.html

http://bicycling.about.com/library/weekly/aa052800a.htm

http://bicycling.about.com/library/weekly/aa022199.htm

Oh, u make some good points there 🙂

However, I tend to disagree, we all get tired 'eventually' and gasp for air,
if we have more platelets, we would not tire as quickly.

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IMO, EPO is of little practical value to anyone but an elite athlete (and

of

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course those with serious medical conditions).

Increasing the amount of oxygen available to muscles will only help if the
muscles are trained to such a state that they can use all the oxygen

already

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available. If your muscles are not able to use all the oxygen available

(the

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case with most of us), increasing red blood cells to provide more oxygen
(the action of EPO) won't be of much help.

Gunny Bunny said:

Is EPO really that easy to get ahold of and is it really that
dangerous ??

http://sport.guardian.co.uk/cycling/story/0,10482,1178479,00.html

http://uk.sports.yahoo.com/040325/2/2rhp.html

http://bicycling.about.com/library/weekly/aa052800a.htm

http://bicycling.about.com/library/weekly/aa022199.htm

Gunny Bunny said:

Oh, u make some good points there 🙂
However, I tend to disagree, we all get tired 'eventually' and gasp for
air, if we have more platelets, we would not tire as quickly.

Did you miss read the fine print?!? (This stuff can kill ya!)

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Gunny Bunny said:

However, I tend to disagree, we all get tired 'eventually' and gasp for
air, if we have more platelets, we would not tire as quickly.[/url]

EPO is going to help any kind of athlete that is utilizing oxygen in a
high capacity. EPO increases red blood cell count and the blood is
thickened with new platelets. The price possibility is fatality.
Cyclists in the prime of their lives have died from EPO use. EPO was
developed to help severely anemic patients in hospitals increase their
red blood cell count. Usage by an even normal individual can have
terrible consequences. Their are stories of professional cyclists that
have died from EPO use. Don't do it.

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Gunny Bunny said:

However, I tend to disagree, we all get tired 'eventually' and gasp for
air, if we have more platelets, we would not tire as quickly.

Well, if you don't mind gambling with your health.....

Why do you think it's banned?

Derk

BaCardi said:

Gunny Bunny said:

However, I tend to disagree, we all get tired 'eventually' and

gasp for > air, if we have more platelets, we would not tire as
quickly.[/url]

EPO is going to help any kind of athlete that is utilizing oxygen in a
high capacity. EPO increases red blood cell count and the blood is
thickened with new platelets. The price possibility is fatality.
Cyclists in the prime of their lives have died from EPO use. EPO was
developed to help severely anemic patients in hospitals increase their
red blood cell count. Usage by an even normal individual can have
terrible consequences. Their are stories of professional cyclists that
have died from EPO use. Don't do it.

The key phrase here is athlete, especially elite athletes. The title of this
thread is hobby cyclist.
I can tell you from personal experience, that for someone of that
description (active, but not a trained athlete, certainly nowhere near to
their potential), EPO will not make much of a difference during performance.

In one winter about 18 Dutch amateurs died in their sleep from this stuff.

DONT do it.

Trg said:

BaCardi said:

Gunny Bunny said:

However, I tend to disagree, we all get tired 'eventually' and

gasp for > air, if we have more platelets, we would not tire as
quickly.[/url]

EPO is going to help any kind of athlete that is utilizing oxygen in a
high capacity. EPO increases red blood cell count and the blood is
thickened with new platelets. The price possibility is fatality.
Cyclists in the prime of their lives have died from EPO use. EPO was
developed to help severely anemic patients in hospitals increase their
red blood cell count. Usage by an even normal individual can have
terrible consequences. Their are stories of professional cyclists that
have died from EPO use. Don't do it.

The key phrase here is athlete, especially elite athletes. The title of
this thread is hobby cyclist. I can tell you from personal experience,
that for someone of that description (active, but not a trained athlete,
certainly nowhere near to their potential), EPO will not make much of a
difference during performance.

It will make a difference for any athlete, professional or amateur. It
will make a difference for a bed-ridden patient in a hospital ward
somewhere. And, it will make a difference with the normal individual
person in between the extremes of elite athlete and anemic patient. THAT
ISN'T THE POINT! This stuff is dangerous and it does kill!

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Fred said:

It's virtually impossible to get, if you're a moron.
http://www.noprescriptiondrugs.com/pharm93.htmlhttp://www.noprescriptio-
ndrugs.com/pharm93.html

This is totally irresponsible for you to post a link to an online
pharmacy where you can supposedly buy this stuff. 1) This stuff is
dangerous and 2) There are illegal pharmacies like this one all over the
place. You could do a search on google and find a lot of these places.
They are illegal in the USA, Canada, Eurpeon nations, etc. I've read
about places like this. They take your money and run.

EPO is and should be prescribed by physicians. It is a prescription drug
and is illegal to purchase without consent and supervision from a
doctor. The stuff is highly dangerous. Your suggestion of a place to buy
the stuff is out of line. To the OP, DON'T DO IT!

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"Gunny Bunny" [email hidden] Writes:

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However, I tend to disagree, we all get tired 'eventually' and gasp for air,
if we have more platelets, we would not tire as quickly.

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. EPO has no effect on your platelet
count. Platelets have no oxygen carrying ability. The oxygen carrying portion
of the blood are the red blood cells. EPO will increase these along with your
risk of heart attack and stroke should you become dehydrated. You should be
able to get your hematocrit to the upper end of the normal range with training
(perhaps some training at altitude).

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Fred said:

It's virtually impossible to get, if you're a moron.

http://www.noprescriptiondrugs.com/pharm93.htmlhttp://www.noprescriptio-

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ndrugs.com/pharm93.html

This is totally irresponsible for you to post a link to an online
pharmacy where you can supposedly buy this stuff. 1) This stuff is
dangerous and 2) There are illegal pharmacies like this one all over the
place. You could do a search on google and find a lot of these places.
They are illegal in the USA, Canada, Eurpeon nations, etc. I've read
about places like this. They take your money and run.

EPO is and should be prescribed by physicians. It is a prescription drug
and is illegal to purchase without consent and supervision from a
doctor. The stuff is highly dangerous. Your suggestion of a place to buy
the stuff is out of line. To the OP, DON'T DO IT!

Well, Patani did it and it worked for him !!

trg said:

I can tell you from personal experience, that for someone of that
description (active, but not a trained athlete, certainly nowhere near to
their potential), EPO will not make much of a difference during performance.

Read this first hand report from an amateur athlete who took EPO:

http://tinyurl.com/2lubp

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Gunny Bunny said:

Well, Patani did it and it worked for him !!

Troll...

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On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 08:08:38 -0400, "Gunny Bunny" <[email hidden]> may

have said:

Is EPO really that easy to get ahold of

Yes.

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and is it really that dangerous ??

Yes, if improperly used. Of course, for some people, the only safe
dose is zero. In light of the lack of ability for the average person
to evaluate the drug's safety for their own use, do you want to take
the risk given the small benefit that might theoretically be obtained?
Bear in mind that the most probable outcome of its use for someone who
is not a competitive-level athlete is that you won't be able to tell
much of a difference if any...

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BaCardi said:

This is totally irresponsible for you to post a link to an online
pharmacy where you can supposedly buy this stuff.

yea, he should have pointed out that froogle.google.com will sort by price.
god bless the internet.
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gunny-<< Well, Patani did it and it worked for him !! >><BR><BR>

Pantani....and I would love to see the hematocrit levels of all those tested
published during major races. We'd see how many had levels much higher than the
'norm'. Even some of the 'big boys' have levels in the high 40s...how they'd
get there???

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