epic stage 3 in TOC

On Nov 13, 7:11 am, Dan Connelly <d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@y_a_h_o_o_._c_o_m>

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stage 3: serious upgrade from last year: through Patterson,
Del Puerto Canyon Road (steep climb) to the junction, San
Antonio Valley Road (quite steep) to Mt Hamilton summit [...]
Sierra Road

This has always been the "obvious" route for a challenging stage in
Northern California, but the February date sometimes makes it iffy.
I've had an end-of-April ride up Hamilton from that side side
shortened due to snow. OTOH, it could set the stage for a fabulous win
like Hampsten's over the Gavia.

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OTOH, it could set the stage for a fabulous win
like Hampsten's over the Gavia.

I'm still here.

--
E. Dronkert

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OTOH, it could set the stage for a fabulous win
like Hampsten's over the Gavia.

I'm still here.

--
E. Dronkert

On Nov 13, 8:01 am, Ewoud Dronkert <[email hidden]>

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OTOH, it could set the stage for a fabulous win
like Hampsten's over the Gavia.

I'm still here.

Of course, with global warming, I guess we don't have to worry about
snow.

Dan Connelly said:

stage 3: serious upgrade from last year:

Hamilton from the backside. Wow!

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It's too bad about that long run-in, but the addition of a second 1st
category
climb (replacing Patterson Pass) is going to be really interesting.

Personally, I thought that chase (not sure if it was this year or 2006) into
SJ was pretty exciting. Now the descent down the Hamilton will be crazy even
though it's a ways from the finish.

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I've ridden all of these roads west of Patterson.

Is Del Puerto Cyn in good shape?

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stage 7: big upgrade, but the finishing circuits will neutralize the
mountain pass

You may be right, but I wouldn't be surprised if the total climbing in stage
7 is more than stage 3 or at least close to it. I've ridden a lot of those
roads between Santa Clarita and Angeles Crest and there are quite a few ups
and downs... it's not just a single pass.

Mark
http://marcofanelli.blogspot.com

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On Nov 13, 8:01 am, Ewoud Dronkert <[email hidden]>

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OTOH, it could set the stage for a fabulous win
like Hampsten's over the Gavia.

I'm still here.

Of course, with global warming, I guess we don't have to worry about
snow.

Snow or not the sport could use some more epic stages, not as epic as
the Gavia perhaps but something that represents the side of the sport
that isn't generated by computer, wind tunnel or lab.

5 June, 1988 – The Day the Strong Men Cried
http://www.hampsten.com/Bikes/ClassicRoad/5June.pdf

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On Nov 13, 7:11 am, Dan Connelly <d_j_c_o_n_n_e_l@y_a_h_o_o_._c_o_m>

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stage 3: serious upgrade from last year: through Patterson,
Del Puerto Canyon Road (steep climb) to the junction, San
Antonio Valley Road (quite steep) to Mt Hamilton summit [...]
Sierra Road

This has always been the "obvious" route for a challenging stage in
Northern California, but the February date sometimes makes it iffy.
I've had an end-of-April ride up Hamilton from that side side
shortened due to snow. OTOH, it could set the stage for a fabulous win
like Hampsten's over the Gavia.

Not to put too fine a point on things, but Hampsten didn't win that
day on the Gavia. That honor goes to E.Bruekink. Hampstend did
effectively win the Giro that day, though.

rechung said:

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This has always been the "obvious" route for a challenging stage in
Northern California, but the February date sometimes makes it iffy. I've
had an end-of-April ride up Hamilton from that side side shortened due
to snow. OTOH, it could set the stage for a fabulous win like Hampsten's
over the Gavia.

Scott said:

Not to put too fine a point on things, but Hampsten didn't win that day on
the Gavia.

We like putting a fine point on Ewoud.

WeaselPoopPower said:

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On Nov 13, 8:01 am, Ewoud Dronkert <[email hidden]>

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[email hidden] wrote:
> OTOH, it could set the stage for a fabulous win
> like Hampsten's over the Gavia.
I'm still here.

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Of course, with global warming, I guess we don't have to worry about
snow.

Snow or not the sport could use some more epic stages, not as epic as
the Gavia perhaps but something that represents the side of the sport
that isn't generated by computer, wind tunnel or lab.

5 June, 1988 - The Day the Strong Men Criedhttp://www.hampsten.com/Bikes/ClassicRoad/5June.pdf

One thing that I find incredibly urksome about Andy is that he never
mentions the fact that Bob Roll brought him up the warm clothes -
actually running him down on the climb up the Gavia and that Bob was
one of the very few actual finishers of that stage.

I always wonder if Andy and he had some sort of disagreement that
caused Andy to never mention him. Hell, Lance mentioned Roll!

On Nov 13, 11:10 am, tacos <tacos.300...@no-

mx.forums.yourdomain.com.au said:

I have never climbed the backside of Mt.Hamilton I am famileur with the
twisty downhill to Grants Ranch as for Seirra Rd if they climb it I
don't envey them the climb hurts

The back side of Hamilton makes Sierra Rd look like a small bump in
the road.

Ewoud Dronkert said:

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OTOH, it could set the stage for a fabulous win
like Hampsten's over the Gavia.

I'm still here.

This thread makes me miss the days when RBR was about bike racing.

Will it actually be that I should look forward to July and the Tour of
France newbie posting spike?

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OTOH, it could set the stage for a fabulous win
like Hampsten's over the Gavia.

I'm still here.

This thread makes me miss the days when RBR was about bike racing.

Will it actually be that I should look forward to July and the Tour of
France newbie posting spike?

It's not just the newbies that create the traditional TdF posting spike
though. Quite a few of the grizzled vets spend a lot more time on RBR at
that time of year than normal, probably because they have other priorities
that keep them from spending too much time here, but the 'Tour is the 'Tour,
after all. It's that 3-week period of time that your wife can just barely
tolerate nearly every single conversation that you want to have be about
cycling, because she knows it's stupid to think it could be otherwise. You
couldn't stretch that out to the full calendar of racing, nor is it as easy
to focus on a "lesser" event, because being a 'Tour widow is something she
can actually tell non-cycling friends, and have a chance of some degree of
understanding.

Not that I'm speaking for personal experience here...

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA

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Ewoud Dronkert said:

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OTOH, it could set the stage for a fabulous win
like Hampsten's over the Gavia.

I'm still here.

This thread makes me miss the days when RBR was about bike racing.

Will it actually be that I should look forward to July and the Tour of
France newbie posting spike?

On Nov 13, 3:12 pm, John Forrest Tomlinson <[email hidden]>

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This thread makes me miss the days when RBR was about bike racing.

Will it actually be that I should look forward to July and the Tour of
France newbie posting spike?

Go check the archives for November of the years when you thought RBR
was about bike racing.

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WeaselPoopPower said:

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On Nov 13, 8:01 am, Ewoud Dronkert <[email hidden]>
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> [email hidden] wrote:
>> OTOH, it could set the stage for a fabulous win
>> like Hampsten's over the Gavia.
> I'm still here.

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Of course, with global warming, I guess we don't have to worry about
snow.

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Snow or not the sport could use some more epic stages, not as epic as
the Gavia perhaps but something that represents the side of the sport
that isn't generated by computer, wind tunnel or lab.

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5 June, 1988 - The Day the Strong Men Criedhttp://www.hampsten.com/Bikes/ClassicRoad/5June.pdf

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One thing that I find incredibly urksome about Andy is that he never
mentions the fact that Bob Roll brought him up the warm clothes -
actually running him down on the climb up the Gavia and that Bob was
one of the very few actual finishers of that stage.

I always wonder if Andy and he had some sort of disagreement that
caused Andy to never mention him. Hell, Lance mentioned Roll!- Hide quoted text -

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Well, since the only time you hear mention of Roll bringing warm
clothes up to Hampsten is when ROLL himself tells the story, maybe
he's not remembering it the way Hampsten and everyone else remembers
it. It may not be as much a 'fact' as Roll would have us believe.

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One thing that I find incredibly urksome about Andy is that he never
mentions the fact that Bob Roll brought him up the warm clothes -
actually running him down on the climb up the Gavia and that Bob was
one of the very few actual finishers of that stage.

I always wonder if Andy and he had some sort of disagreement that
caused Andy to never mention him. Hell, Lance mentioned Roll!- Hide
quoted text -

Well, since the only time you hear mention of Roll bringing warm
clothes up to Hampsten is when ROLL himself tells the story, maybe
he's not remembering it the way Hampsten and everyone else remembers
it. It may not be as much a 'fact' as Roll would have us believe.

It is a fact that Roll was one of the half dozen or so to finish that stage
in the saddle.

Tom Kunich' cyclintom@yahoo. com said:

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On Nov 13, 1:11 pm, [email hidden] wrote:

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One thing that I find incredibly urksome about Andy is that he never
mentions the fact that Bob Roll brought him up the warm clothes -
actually running him down on the climb up the Gavia and that Bob was
one of the very few actual finishers of that stage.

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I always wonder if Andy and he had some sort of disagreement that
caused Andy to never mention him. Hell, Lance mentioned Roll!- Hide
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Well, since the only time you hear mention of Roll bringing warm
clothes up to Hampsten is when ROLL himself tells the story, maybe
he's not remembering it the way Hampsten and everyone else remembers
it. It may not be as much a 'fact' as Roll would have us believe.

It is a fact that Roll was one of the half dozen or so to finish that stage
in the saddle.

True. Roll finished the stage. Doesn't mean he was as instrumental
in delivering clothing to Hampsten as he leads folks to believe. Ask
yourself, considering Hampsten's well-deserved reputation as a climber
and Roll's not so great climbing prowess, how did Roll climb UP to
Hampsten to bring him clothing? Wouldn't it have been easier to leave
the clothing in the team car and have them deliver it to him?

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On Nov 13, 1:11 pm, [email hidden] wrote:

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> One thing that I find incredibly urksome about Andy is that he never
> mentions the fact that Bob Roll brought him up the warm clothes -
> actually running him down on the climb up the Gavia and that Bob was
> one of the very few actual finishers of that stage.

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> I always wonder if Andy and he had some sort of disagreement that
> caused Andy to never mention him. Hell, Lance mentioned Roll!- Hide
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Well, since the only time you hear mention of Roll bringing warm
clothes up to Hampsten is when ROLL himself tells the story, maybe
he's not remembering it the way Hampsten and everyone else remembers
it. It may not be as much a 'fact' as Roll would have us believe.

It is a fact that Roll was one of the half dozen or so to finish that
stage
in the saddle.

True. Roll finished the stage. Doesn't mean he was as instrumental
in delivering clothing to Hampsten as he leads folks to believe. Ask
yourself, considering Hampsten's well-deserved reputation as a climber
and Roll's not so great climbing prowess, how did Roll climb UP to
Hampsten to bring him clothing? Wouldn't it have been easier to leave
the clothing in the team car and have them deliver it to him?

Ask yourself how Bob Roll held most of the hill climb records around
California including a VERY competitive Mt. Diablo record that stood for a
decade or more.

I suggest that you have some ulterior motive for trying to belittle Roll.

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> On Nov 13, 1:11 pm, [email hidden] wrote:

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>> One thing that I find incredibly urksome about Andy is that he never
>> mentions the fact that Bob Roll brought him up the warm clothes -
>> actually running him down on the climb up the Gavia and that Bob was
>> one of the very few actual finishers of that stage.

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>> I always wonder if Andy and he had some sort of disagreement that
>> caused Andy to never mention him. Hell, Lance mentioned Roll!- Hide
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> Well, since the only time you hear mention of Roll bringing warm
> clothes up to Hampsten is when ROLL himself tells the story, maybe
> he's not remembering it the way Hampsten and everyone else remembers
> it. It may not be as much a 'fact' as Roll would have us believe.

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It is a fact that Roll was one of the half dozen or so to finish that
stage
in the saddle.

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True. Roll finished the stage. Doesn't mean he was as instrumental
in delivering clothing to Hampsten as he leads folks to believe. Ask
yourself, considering Hampsten's well-deserved reputation as a climber
and Roll's not so great climbing prowess, how did Roll climb UP to
Hampsten to bring him clothing? Wouldn't it have been easier to leave
the clothing in the team car and have them deliver it to him?

Ask yourself how Bob Roll held most of the hill climb records around
California including a VERY competitive Mt. Diablo record that stood for a
decade or more.

I suggest that you have some ulterior motive for trying to belittle Roll.- Hide quoted text -

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I suggest that you're an argumentative idiot. I don't give half a
damn about Roll, or Hampsten, or why Hampsten doesn't give more props
to Roll, or whatever.

You first mentioned your concern over Hampsten not mentioning Roll
when he speaks of that day on the Gavia. I merely mentioned it may
not be the case that the events of the day happened quite the way Roll
recalls them. Maybe the events played out exactly the way Roll
recalls them. Perhaps its a case of your memory of the way Roll
recalls them that's hazy. I don't know. I don't care.

I damn sure don't mean to belittle Roll and certainly wouldn't have
ulterior motives for doing so. If I cared half a rat fart about Bob
Roll and thought it necessary to belittle him, I'd be perfectly clear
on my motives. The fact is, I don't care about Roll and I'm not
belittling him.

Okay, wait... in all honesty, I am peeved by his incessant
mispronounciation of Tour DAY France, which may have been funny to
some when he first did it, but which has long worn out any humor value
it ever had.

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I suggest that you're an argumentative idiot. I don't give half a
damn about Roll, or Hampsten, or why Hampsten doesn't give more props
to Roll, or whatever.

And yet you call Roll a liar. Interesting indeed.

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You first mentioned your concern over Hampsten not mentioning Roll
when he speaks of that day on the Gavia. I merely mentioned it may
not be the case that the events of the day happened quite the way Roll
recalls them.

Right, the most monumental stage in history and he doesn't remember it the
way it happened. Can you grow smaller yet?

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I damn sure don't mean to belittle Roll

Oh, wait - you mean you simply wanted to belittle me? Hey, at 6'4" and 200
lbs I could stand a little belittling. I'd even appreciate it. But instead
you've managed to make yourself smaller.

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Okay, wait... in all honesty, I am peeved by his incessant
mispronounciation of Tour DAY France, which may have been funny to
some when he first did it, but which has long worn out any humor value
it ever had.

My, you grow more adult by the word count.