Eneco Tour, anyone interested?

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anyone interested?

Not really...

Kenny said:

This artificially created Protour stage race starts today.

Favourites?
Julich, Rebellin, Kirchen

Outsiders?
Schleck, Boogerd, Verbrugghe, Hoste, Goussev, Nuyens

Of course I'm interested, it looks like it'll be an interesting race
with unusual characteristics which ought to see some lesser-known riders
pull off courageous stunts. I want to see a full start list before I
name my favorite for the overall.

sonarrat said:

Kenny said:

This artificially created Protour stage race starts today.

Favourites?
Julich, Rebellin, Kirchen

Outsiders?
Schleck, Boogerd, Verbrugghe, Hoste, Goussev, Nuyens

Of course I'm interested, it looks like it'll be an interesting race
with unusual characteristics which ought to see some lesser-known riders
pull off courageous stunts. I want to see a full start list before I
name my favorite for the overall.

Now that I've seen it: VDB or de Peet

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This artificially created Protour stage race starts today.

Favourites?
Julich, Rebellin, Kirchen

Outsiders?
Schleck, Boogerd, Verbrugghe, Hoste, Goussev, Nuyens

Kenny

Outsider, or favorite: Stijn Devolder.

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anyone interested?

Not really...

Maybe you should be. There's an Amstel Gold race and LBL like stage in
it. Those stages seem interesting.

Winner of the prologue: Rik Verbrugghe. The last hour it started
raining so guys like Dekker I+II and Julich could not give it all.

Kenny

Kenny said:

This artificially created Protour stage race

As opposed to all the other Pro Tour races, which are natural,
prehistoric, geologic features?

Hein was right, cyclists just aren't interested in change or
innovation.

JLS

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Kenny said:

This artificially created Protour stage race

As opposed to all the other Pro Tour races, which are natural,
prehistoric, geologic features?

Kind of...
The enecotour was only created to give Belgium and Holland a few
Protour race days more. Including the Tour of Belgium and the Tour of
the Netherlands which existed since 1908 and 1948, was out of the
question. No, it was more important to have a stupid Tour of Poland in
the ProTour and therefor this EnecoTour was created as an emergency
solution.

Kenny

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Kenny said:

This artificially created Protour stage race

As opposed to all the other Pro Tour races, which are natural,
prehistoric, geologic features?

Kind of...
The enecotour was only created to give Belgium and Holland a few
Protour race days more. Including the Tour of Belgium and the Tour of
the Netherlands which existed since 1908 and 1948, was out of the
question. No, it was more important to have a stupid Tour of Poland in
the ProTour and therefor this EnecoTour was created as an emergency
solution.

Kenny

Actually the Eneco Tour already existed, but not in the current form. It was
expanded to accomodate the protour, so it's not a purely Dutch event
anymore.

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Kenny said:

The enecotour was only created to give Belgium and Holland a few
Protour race days more. Including the Tour of Belgium and the Tour of
the Netherlands which existed since 1908 and 1948, was out of the
question.

Actually the Eneco Tour already existed, but not in the current form.

Maybe he didn't actually say that, but I think it was implied. For the
foreigners, yes it's a fusion of the Ronde van Belgie and Ronde van
Nederland and Eneco is the sponsor.

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Jonathan v.d. Sluis said:

Kenny said:

The enecotour was only created to give Belgium and Holland a few
Protour race days more. Including the Tour of Belgium and the Tour of
the Netherlands which existed since 1908 and 1948, was out of the
question.

Actually the Eneco Tour already existed, but not in the current form.

Maybe he didn't actually say that, but I think it was implied. For the
foreigners, yes it's a fusion of the Ronde van Belgie and Ronde van
Nederland and Eneco is the sponsor.

But in spite of that the Ronde van België still exists as a separate tour.
So for most purposes, the Eneco tour was just made more international to
suit the protour. Ofcourse it's more than just a bigger Ronde van Nederland,
but neither can it justifiably be called a newly created event, like the TTT
in Eindhoven. For the latter the 'artificial' label might actually have some
justification. But in the case of the Eneco tour, it doesn't.

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Jonathan v.d. Sluis said:

"Kenny" <[email hidden]> wrote:

>The enecotour was only created to give Belgium and Holland a few
>Protour race days more. Including the Tour of Belgium and the Tour of
>the Netherlands which existed since 1908 and 1948, was out of the
>question.

Actually the Eneco Tour already existed, but not in the current form.

Maybe he didn't actually say that, but I think it was implied. For the
foreigners, yes it's a fusion of the Ronde van Belgie and Ronde van
Nederland and Eneco is the sponsor.

But in spite of that the Ronde van België still exists as a separate tour.
So for most purposes, the Eneco tour was just made more international to
suit the protour. Ofcourse it's more than just a bigger Ronde van Nederland,
but neither can it justifiably be called a newly created event, like the TTT
in Eindhoven. For the latter the 'artificial' label might actually have some
justification. But in the case of the Eneco tour, it doesn't.

I have a chance to be road-side for the 4th stage (Landgraaf to
Verviers) this Sunday. If anyone knows the route well, could they
suggest a good climb to view? From what I can tell of the parcours on
the website (http://www.enecotour.com), there should be a couple of
climbs in the last 30km between Spa and Verviers, though elevations not
shown ... any other ideas?

Cheers, Rob.

Robert Clark said:

I have a chance to be road-side for the 4th stage (Landgraaf to
Verviers) this Sunday. If anyone knows the route well, could they
suggest a good climb to view? From what I can tell of the parcours on
the website (http://www.enecotour.com), there should be a couple of
climbs in the last 30km between Spa and Verviers, though elevations not
shown ... any other ideas?

If want to see the peloton stretched out after a long(ish) climb, stand
near the top of the Rosier. If you want to see the decisive break, stand
on the last significant climb, which appears to be the Côte de Surister in
Jalhay. At 18 km from the line, it's still a bit far, though. From
http://home.iae.nl/users/vdmark/cols/colblui.htm :

height 375 m
climb 115 m
length 2200 m
avg % 5.23
max % 10.00

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On Thu, 4 Aug 2005 17:50:49 +0200, Jonathan v.d. Sluis wrote:

>"Kenny" <[email hidden]> wrote:
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>>The enecotour was only created to give Belgium and Holland a few
>>Protour race days more. Including the Tour of Belgium and the Tour of
>>the Netherlands which existed since 1908 and 1948, was out of the
>>question.
>
>Actually the Eneco Tour already existed, but not in the current form.

Maybe he didn't actually say that, but I think it was implied. For the
foreigners, yes it's a fusion of the Ronde van Belgie and Ronde van
Nederland and Eneco is the sponsor.

But in spite of that the Ronde van België still exists as a separate
tour. So for most purposes, the Eneco tour was just made more
international to suit the protour. Ofcourse it's more than just a bigger
Ronde van Nederland, but neither can it justifiably be called a newly
created event, like the TTT in Eindhoven. For the latter the 'artificial'
label might actually have some justification. But in the case of the
Eneco tour, it doesn't.

I have a chance to be road-side for the 4th stage (Landgraaf to Verviers)
this Sunday. If anyone knows the route well, could they suggest a good
climb to view? From what I can tell of the parcours on the website
(http://www.enecotour.com), there should be a couple of climbs in the last
30km between Spa and Verviers, though elevations not shown ... any other
ideas?

Cheers, Rob.

Try the Haute Levee as the riders exit Stavelot. The climb starts less than
500 m from the village's cobblestoned center (plenty of bakeries and cafes)
and has a brutal first 900 m or so (10+%).

After the riders go past, walk through the village and up the Stockeu to the
Merckx monument.
-Mike

Just out of curiosity Kenny - do you suppose that the Vuelta occurred
"naturally"?

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Just out of curiosity Kenny - do you suppose that the Vuelta occurred
"naturally"?

You don't have to take "artificially" that narrow. I just meant by it
that this Eneco tour was a quick emergency solution to enter the
Protour, to live by the Heins's rules.

Kenny

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Just out of curiosity Kenny - do you suppose that the Vuelta occurred
"naturally"?

I think the Credit Lyonnais Tour came around more naturally.

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Just out of curiosity Kenny - do you suppose that the Vuelta occurred
"naturally"?

I think the Credit Lyonnais Tour came around more naturally.

Three stages down, and VDB's still there...

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Three stages down, and VDB's still there...

He was in a long early breakaway today. Good on him - even though it
ultimately made him lose 16 minutes and throw any GC aspirations out the
window, that's just what he needed to do after such a long break from
racing.