Endurance Weenie Whining

Look dumbass, just run an hour to 90 minutes a day, and you won't be
able to eat enough to keep the weight on. I do 60 to 90 minutes a day,
and I could eat a half galloon of ice cream everyday, and still not
gain.

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I would honestly see a personal trainer who can figure this one out for you.

It may be a case of genetics though.>

No idiot, it's NOT rocket science. Calories in, vs calories burned. End
of story.

Mike said:

I would honestly see a personal trainer who can figure this one out for you.

90% of the denizons of MFW know more than 100% of the personal trainers
I've ever met.

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It may be a case of genetics though. Some blokes work real hard but still
carry some extra pounds. I'm the opposite. Work hard and eat lots to gain
weight.

Blame my genetics. Yeah, that would go with the whining.

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Still, if you're fit what does it matter?

I'd be svelte if I were powerlifting, but I'm not, I'm attempting to
haul my fat ass and a bunch of aluminum up big hills as fast as possible.

I suspect the answer is that I'm eating too much. Dieting never made me
go hungry before. I don't like being hungry. Dieting never made me
feel less than energetic before. I don't like feeling unenergetic.
Used to be I had a way of eating that left me sated and with enough
energy for my daily activities while still leaving me in a calorie
deficit. Now I've got higher energy needs so I eat more but must be
overshooting the mark.

I love running. I like swimming. I don't hate cycling. I'm not ready
to give up being a triathlete. I just want to be a slender one.

Dally

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I would honestly see a personal trainer who can figure this one out for

you.

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It may be a case of genetics though.>

No idiot, it's NOT rocket science. Calories in, vs calories burned. End
of story.

Did you read his post? And it's not a simple as calories in and calories
out. A good personal trainer will set you up with a good training program
best suited to the individual. How do you think the actors can put on 10
kilos of muscle in 6 months? Watching their Calories?

P.S Takes a big man to call someone an idiot over the internet. Keep up the
good work, champ.

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Mike said:

I would honestly see a personal trainer who can figure this one out for

you.

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90% of the denizons of MFW know more than 100% of the personal trainers
I've ever met.

You obviously haven't met any worth while.

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It may be a case of genetics though. Some blokes work real hard but still
carry some extra pounds. I'm the opposite. Work hard and eat lots to gain
weight.

Blame my genetics. Yeah, that would go with the whining.

Didn't say to blame it. It's a fact were all different. Clearly you wont
ever look like Arnold because you don't have the mans Genetics. Wasn't just
hard work that got him that size.

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Still, if you're fit what does it matter?

I'd be svelte if I were powerlifting, but I'm not, I'm attempting to
haul my fat ass and a bunch of aluminum up big hills as fast as possible.

I suspect the answer is that I'm eating too much.

You mean to say you haven't tried something as obvious as changing your diet
to lose the weight?

Dieting never made me

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go hungry before. I don't like being hungry. Dieting never made me
feel less than energetic before. I don't like feeling unenergetic.
Used to be I had a way of eating that left me sated and with enough
energy for my daily activities while still leaving me in a calorie
deficit. Now I've got higher energy needs so I eat more but must be
overshooting the mark.

I love running. I like swimming. I don't hate cycling. I'm not ready
to give up being a triathlete. I just want to be a slender one.

Dally

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Mike said:

I would honestly see a personal trainer who can figure this one out for

you.

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90% of the denizons of MFW know more than 100% of the personal trainers
I've ever met.

You obviously haven't met any worth while.

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It may be a case of genetics though. Some blokes work real hard but

still

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carry some extra pounds. I'm the opposite. Work hard and eat lots to

gain

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weight.

Blame my genetics. Yeah, that would go with the whining.

Didn't say to blame it. It's a fact were all different. Clearly you wont
ever look like Arnold because you don't have the mans Genetics. Wasn't

just

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hard work that got him that size.

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Still, if you're fit what does it matter?

I'd be svelte if I were powerlifting, but I'm not, I'm attempting to
haul my fat ass and a bunch of aluminum up big hills as fast as possible.

I suspect the answer is that I'm eating too much.

You mean to say you haven't tried something as obvious as changing your

diet

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to lose the weight?

Dieting never made me

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go hungry before. I don't like being hungry. Dieting never made me
feel less than energetic before. I don't like feeling unenergetic.
Used to be I had a way of eating that left me sated and with enough
energy for my daily activities while still leaving me in a calorie
deficit. Now I've got higher energy needs so I eat more but must be
overshooting the mark.

I love running. I like swimming. I don't hate cycling. I'm not ready
to give up being a triathlete. I just want to be a slender one.

Dally

Mike, please note that the lardass in question is a female 'athlete' . It
may not be as simple as calories in and calories out as she still needs the
carb/fat/protein balance to suit her workout and energy level. But it still
is as simple as changing her diet

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Mike wrote:

> I would honestly see a personal trainer who can figure this one out

for

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you.

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90% of the denizons of MFW know more than 100% of the personal trainers
I've ever met.

You obviously haven't met any worth while.

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> It may be a case of genetics though. Some blokes work real hard but

still

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> carry some extra pounds. I'm the opposite. Work hard and eat lots to

gain

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> weight.

Blame my genetics. Yeah, that would go with the whining.

Didn't say to blame it. It's a fact were all different. Clearly you wont
ever look like Arnold because you don't have the mans Genetics. Wasn't

just

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hard work that got him that size.

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> Still, if you're fit what does it matter?

I'd be svelte if I were powerlifting, but I'm not, I'm attempting to
haul my fat ass and a bunch of aluminum up big hills as fast as

possible.

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I suspect the answer is that I'm eating too much.

You mean to say you haven't tried something as obvious as changing your

diet

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to lose the weight?

Dieting never made me

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go hungry before. I don't like being hungry. Dieting never made me
feel less than energetic before. I don't like feeling unenergetic.
Used to be I had a way of eating that left me sated and with enough
energy for my daily activities while still leaving me in a calorie
deficit. Now I've got higher energy needs so I eat more but must be
overshooting the mark.

I love running. I like swimming. I don't hate cycling. I'm not ready
to give up being a triathlete. I just want to be a slender one.

Dally

Mike, please note that the lardass in question is a female 'athlete' . It
may not be as simple as calories in and calories out as she still needs the
carb/fat/protein balance to suit her workout and energy level. But it still
is as simple as changing her diet

I didn't realise she hadn't tried modifiying the diet yet. With all the hard
hours of training I made the assumption she would have tried that before
posting a "I have tried everything and nothing works" type message? With all
the people who she has met who know "more than any personal trainer" I would
have thought this easy.

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>Mike wrote:
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>> I would honestly see a personal trainer who can figure this one out

for

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you.
>
>90% of the denizons of MFW know more than 100% of the personal

trainers

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>I've ever met.

You obviously haven't met any worth while.

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>> It may be a case of genetics though. Some blokes work real hard but

still

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>> carry some extra pounds. I'm the opposite. Work hard and eat lots to

gain

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>> weight.
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>Blame my genetics. Yeah, that would go with the whining.

Didn't say to blame it. It's a fact were all different. Clearly you

wont

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ever look like Arnold because you don't have the mans Genetics. Wasn't

just

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hard work that got him that size.

>
>> Still, if you're fit what does it matter?
>
>I'd be svelte if I were powerlifting, but I'm not, I'm attempting to
>haul my fat ass and a bunch of aluminum up big hills as fast as

possible.

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>I suspect the answer is that I'm eating too much.

You mean to say you haven't tried something as obvious as changing your

diet

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to lose the weight?

Dieting never made me
>go hungry before. I don't like being hungry. Dieting never made me
>feel less than energetic before. I don't like feeling unenergetic.
>Used to be I had a way of eating that left me sated and with enough
>energy for my daily activities while still leaving me in a calorie
>deficit. Now I've got higher energy needs so I eat more but must be
>overshooting the mark.
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>I love running. I like swimming. I don't hate cycling. I'm not

ready

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>to give up being a triathlete. I just want to be a slender one.
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>Dally
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Mike, please note that the lardass in question is a female 'athlete' . It
may not be as simple as calories in and calories out as she still needs

the

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carb/fat/protein balance to suit her workout and energy level. But it

still

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is as simple as changing her diet

I didn't realise she hadn't tried modifiying the diet yet. With all the

hard

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hours of training I made the assumption she would have tried that before
posting a "I have tried everything and nothing works" type message? With

all

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the people who she has met who know "more than any personal trainer" I

would

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have thought this easy.

I doubt she knows much about her diet for instance she says something about
"cutting out all carbs other than what is required for fibre". Plus she is
exercising "like a maniac" which suggests she doesn't have much of a plan.
Obviously this is a diet issue - does she know her calorie intake plus
nutritional breakdown just for a start? She should post those figures so
those of us "who are smarter than personal trainers" can give her
suggestions.

Mike said:

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I would honestly see a personal trainer who can figure this one out
for

you.

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It may be a case of genetics though.>

No idiot, it's NOT rocket science. Calories in, vs calories burned.
End of story.

Did you read his post? And it's not a simple as calories in and
calories out. A good personal trainer will set you up with a good
training program best suited to the individual. How do you think the
actors can put on 10 kilos of muscle in 6 months? Watching their
Calories?

Yes. And good training. But 75% of it is diet.

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P.S Takes a big man to call someone an idiot over the internet. Keep
up the good work, champ.

Wrong. It is simply calories in vs. calories out. Dally isn't fessing up
to her eating habits, but I can guarantee you she's eating close to
maintenance. Period.

And the him is a her. Not that it matters to my point.
--
-Larry

i can actually relate alot to this, so maybe i can give you some input.
but i agree a personal trainer will pick up minor innuendos that are
holding you back. for instance, perhaps the method in which you are
training for your triathlon is not a good 'method'. its actually more
difficult than just running, swimming, and running and biking (im sorry
but i the bike always seems like the big break...🙂. what about when
your are going up a steap hill for a good 5 minutes, only to get off
and need to spring across the water....

simply saying, (im sort of guessing) you might be swimming laps, but at
a constant, rhymthic speed.... which is GREAT for form. but for the
sake of a thriathlon, try working on quick twich muscles a little (for
instance rather than doing 1000 m, do 20x50m springs with a very strong
dive and flip turn). then the next day do 2x 500m as fast as you can.
when running (for some reason i have a feeling on a treadmill) adjust
the incline. adjust the speed. keep accounting for different
situations. get the idea?

also genetics are a [censored]. but you can overcome them a little bit by
working that much harder. also, if you are looking to lose weight, and
you are extremely active and don't feel like your diet is the problem,
than try entirely new workouts (say skateboarding? or jump rope, or
step sprints....) that you aren't used to. your body will thank you.

good luck with the weight loss. it sounds like you are pretty close to
your goal.

adam.

Dally said:

I'm [censored]. I'm working out like a maniac: swimming, cycling,
running, stretching and even occasional weight-training. I'm eating
clean. And I'm not losing weight. I've lost no more than 6 pounds
since I started this whole triathlon jaunt back in January (six
months ago)

Well, that's the way it goes. You get close to your "set point", and
it's harder to lose weight. Of course it's calories in vs calories
out, but the problem is that you cut calories and you get hungry, etc.
Eventually, you get to a point where your body really starts to fight
it.

One question -- what is your training load like ? Could you describe
it ? Generally, if you increase your training load, you'll lose
weight.

[snip]

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My endurance-weenie friends all think working out 12 hours a week
and not losing weight is normal 'cuz they're not losing any weight,
either.

Well, of course. The process does have to terminate at some point. For
example, I have a very hard time getting below 155, and it's probably
very hard for me to go below 150. Sure I eat a lot, but I get severe
food cravings if I try to cut back.

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Go for an hour run and eat a Gu afterwards and voila,
you've just replaced all the lost calories. God, I hate Gu.

If you really do only burn off a packet of GU in 1hr, try running
instead of walking. Seriously.

Wouldn't bother about "refueling" after easy aerobic work. Save things
like GU for long efforts (~2hrs +), especially if you're trying to
lose weight.

Take a lot of protein, and get yourself a source of high protein food
to have on hand. If you do have to binge on something, a high protein,
low calorie food is a good candidate.

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So, just to disguise this as a MFW question rather than just the
weenie whining that it really is, could someone please suggest a way
that I can still compete in triathlons yet cut immediately? I've

Yeah, don't think that just because you did a 1hr workout, it's
gourmet night. There's no way you should be consuming anything close
to your workout calories post-workout. I usually consume a max of
about half, *and that's when I'm not trying to lose weight*.

I would say, cap it at 25%. You'll notice that might mean you
basically can't take anything except maybe a sip of a protein drink
after a 1hr workout. That's OK -- it's intentional. A serious post
workout refeed should only be for long workouts.

[snip]

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I miss the squat rack, but last time I got in it I was woefully
week. This whole endurance-weenie gig isn't what it's cracked up to
be.

You're turning into a crybaby. Go do some intervals or something.

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

what is GU? also regarding post workout feedings....

is is necessary to eat a lot of food after a strenous cardiovascular
workout. when i play ball (basketball) its a lot of running, and
sweating, and when I'm done I can barely walk. Usually I will eat the
majority of my food between 15 mins to 2 hours after this 'workout'
which can last as little as 90 mins, and as much as 3 hours. but i do
not life alot of weight currently, and when i lift it is only to
produce quickness, not to improve muscle size or strength. what would
you recomment for a post workout feeding? thanks.

adma.

Dally said:

I'm [censored]. I'm working out like a maniac: swimming, cycling, running,
stretching and even occasional weight-training. I'm eating clean. And
I'm not losing weight. I've lost no more than 6 pounds since I started
this whole triathlon jaunt back in January (six months ago) and at the
moment I'm carrying six pounds leftover from an ill-advised drinking
vacation. (Somehow they all become drinking vacations. Why is that,
anyway?)

My endurance-weenie friends all think working out 12 hours a week and
not losing weight is normal 'cuz they're not losing any weight, either.
Go for an hour run and eat a Gu afterwards and voila, you've just
replaced all the lost calories. God, I hate Gu.

So, just to disguise this as a MFW question rather than just the weenie
whining that it really is, could someone please suggest a way that I can
still compete in triathlons yet cut immediately? I've got to lose some
of this fat. It's god-awful to haul it up big hills on a bike. I need
to cut, and I need to do it now! (There are 24 days between now and my
A-list triathlon.)

Or do I just have to remain a lard-ass during the tri season and then in
the Fall I can go back to lifting heavy, doing interval training and
cutting out all carbs that aren't required for fiber?

Just for a refresher, in the past three years I've gone from 244 to 162,
42% to 23% body fat using a Body for Life sort of method, as amended by
Mistress Krista and Lyle. I had meant the triathlon season to peel the
remaining ten pounds of lard off my frame, but it hasn't worked out that
way (obviously.)

I miss the squat rack, but last time I got in it I was woefully week.
This whole endurance-weenie gig isn't what it's cracked up to be.

You've been here long enough to know exactly what you have to do
Wendy. You can't compete seriously at any sport while dieting to lose
weight!!

I trust that you and you're family are well and happy, notwithstanding
the fact that you are "[censored]"!! ;o)

Larry Hodges said:

Mike said:

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> I would honestly see a personal trainer who can figure this one out
> for

you.

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It may be a case of genetics though.>

No idiot, it's NOT rocket science. Calories in, vs calories burned.
End of story.

Did you read his post? And it's not a simple as calories in and
calories out. A good personal trainer will set you up with a good
training program best suited to the individual. How do you think the
actors can put on 10 kilos of muscle in 6 months? Watching their
Calories?

Yes. And good training. But 75% of it is diet.

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P.S Takes a big man to call someone an idiot over the internet. Keep
up the good work, champ.

Wrong. It is simply calories in vs. calories out. Dally isn't fessing up
to her eating habits, but I can guarantee you she's eating close to
maintenance. Period.

She knows all that as well as you do Larry, she just wanted something
to say to ease herself back in again!! ;o)

Charles said:

You've been here long enough to know exactly what you have to do
Wendy. You can't compete seriously at any sport while dieting to lose
weight!!

Bollocks. You just have to be slightly smart about it, i.e. instead of not
eating much all the time you eat a bit more before training so you have
energy, then you go back to not eating much. It's pretty normal for athletes
to put on a few kilos in the offseason (partly because it's easy to do so,
partly because being a bit fatter makes illness and injury less likely) and
then diet down to competition weight while still training and doing the
early-season races.

Peter

Dally said:

I'm [censored]. I'm working out like a maniac: swimming, cycling,
running, stretching and even occasional weight-training. I'm eating
clean. And I'm not losing weight. I've lost no more than 6 pounds
since I started this whole triathlon jaunt back in January (six
months ago) and at the moment I'm carrying six pounds leftover from
an ill-advised drinking vacation. (Somehow they all become drinking
vacations. Why is that, anyway?)

My endurance-weenie friends all think working out 12 hours a week and
not losing weight is normal 'cuz they're not losing any weight,
either. Go for an hour run and eat a Gu afterwards and voila, you've
just replaced all the lost calories. God, I hate Gu.

So, just to disguise this as a MFW question rather than just the
weenie whining that it really is, could someone please suggest a way
that I can still compete in triathlons yet cut immediately? I've got
to lose some of this fat. It's god-awful to haul it up big hills on
a bike. I need to cut, and I need to do it now! (There are 24 days
between now and my A-list triathlon.)

You need to eat less, then. Cut out some food from after training (like, for
example, you don't really need to eat after an hour run).

Peter

Dally said:

I'm [censored].

Sorry. Haven't seen you around lately? Been busy?

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I'm working out like a maniac: swimming, cycling, running,
stretching and even occasional weight-training. I'm eating clean. And
I'm not losing weight. I've lost no more than 6 pounds since I started
this whole triathlon jaunt back in January (six months ago) and at the
moment I'm carrying six pounds leftover from an ill-advised drinking
vacation. (Somehow they all become drinking vacations. Why is that,
anyway?)

My endurance-weenie friends all think working out 12 hours a week and
not losing weight is normal 'cuz they're not losing any weight, either.
Go for an hour run and eat a Gu afterwards and voila, you've just
replaced all the lost calories. God, I hate Gu.

So, just to disguise this as a MFW question rather than just the weenie
whining that it really is, could someone please suggest a way that I can
still compete in triathlons yet cut immediately? I've got to lose some
of this fat. It's god-awful to haul it up big hills on a bike. I need
to cut, and I need to do it now! (There are 24 days between now and my
A-list triathlon.)

If you got lipo today, you'd be recovered in time.

I'm not kidding. It's safe, effective, and fast.

Maybe a bit expensive, but you didn't specify a cost parameter.

David

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I'm [censored]. I'm working out like a maniac: swimming, cycling,

running,

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stretching and even occasional weight-training. I'm eating clean.

And

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I'm not losing weight. I've lost no more than 6 pounds since I

started

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this whole triathlon jaunt back in January (six months ago)

Sounds like good progress to me. Losing the last 10 pounds will be
more difficult than losing the first 10.

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My endurance-weenie friends all think working out 12 hours a week

and

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not losing weight is normal 'cuz they're not losing any weight,

either.

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Go for an hour run and eat a Gu afterwards and voila, you've just
replaced all the lost calories. God, I hate Gu.

Than don't eat Gu. And even someone as slow as me burns more calories
in an hour run than you find in a Gu.

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So, just to disguise this as a MFW question rather than just the

weenie

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whining that it really is, could someone please suggest a way that I

can

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still compete in triathlons yet cut immediately? I've got to lose

some

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of this fat. It's god-awful to haul it up big hills on a bike. I

need

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to cut, and I need to do it now! (There are 24 days between now and

my

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A-list triathlon.)

Then it isn't a great time to attempt further weight loss with low
carb. Glycogen, hydration, etc, are good things for endurance stuff.

Oh, does your bike have a 28 or 32 sprocket? Or a triple chain ring?
Maybe you're just trying too hard on the hills. Best of luck!

--
Matthew
"Slow and steady wins the race."

"Dally" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I'm [censored]. I'm working out like a maniac: swimming, cycling,
running, stretching and even occasional weight-training. I'm eating
clean. And I'm not losing weight. I've lost no more than 6 pounds
since I started this whole triathlon jaunt back in January (six months
ago) and at the moment I'm carrying six pounds leftover from an
ill-advised drinking vacation. (Somehow they all become drinking
vacations. Why is that, anyway?)

My endurance-weenie friends all think working out 12 hours a week and
not losing weight is normal 'cuz they're not losing any weight,
either. Go for an hour run and eat a Gu afterwards and voila, you've
just replaced all the lost calories. God, I hate Gu.

So, just to disguise this as a MFW question rather than just the
weenie whining that it really is, could someone please suggest a way
that I can still compete in triathlons yet cut immediately? I've got
to lose some of this fat. It's god-awful to haul it up big hills on a
bike. I need to cut, and I need to do it now! (There are 24 days
between now and my A-list triathlon.)

Or do I just have to remain a lard-ass during the tri season and then
in the Fall I can go back to lifting heavy, doing interval training
and cutting out all carbs that aren't required for fiber?

Just for a refresher, in the past three years I've gone from 244 to
162, 42% to 23% body fat using a Body for Life sort of method, as
amended by Mistress Krista and Lyle. I had meant the triathlon season
to peel the remaining ten pounds of lard off my frame, but it hasn't
worked out that way (obviously.)

I miss the squat rack, but last time I got in it I was woefully week.
This whole endurance-weenie gig isn't what it's cracked up to be.

There is no reason you can't lift moderately heavy while being an
endurance weenie for most of your training. This is one of the
situations where Pavel's PTP program ( 2 lifts, 2 heavy sets of 5 per
lift, long rests) fits well. I can still recall the day a few years ago
when I ran 18 miles in the morning, swam a mile after lunch, then went
to the weight room before dinner and deadlifted 265 lbs. The set/rep
scheme isn't important, but the idea of a few, well-chosen, moderately
heavy lifts is, and Pavel's focus on technique being the most important
thing is right on here.

Many endurance athletes weight train during their competitive season.
Some do a few competitions, then hit the weights for a few weeks, then
go back and do more competitions, while others lift only once per week
throughout but it can be done, it'll be good for you, and I don't see
any reason why you can't do it. You don't just want to do triathlons,
you want to lose more weight and you like lifting. Find what works for
you and maybe it will even end up improving your times.

-S-
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