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  1. Lance only has one rule, when being interviewed. If you mention the name Greg LeMond, the interview
    ends there.

    Hinault, Mercx and Indurain will unite to thwart Lance from getting a 6th. Sure, they will
    pretend to be his friend, but there will be a moment of "et tu brute?" they hope. Lance, being
    street smart knows this cabal will do every dirty trick possible to stop him from getting a 6th.
    This year will be interesting. I think it will be a miracle if he even is present in the
    prologue next year, as this cabal will do anything to sideline his career at this point.

  2. "Callistus Valerius" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Lance only has one rule, when being interviewed. If you mention the name Greg LeMond, the
    interview ends there.

    Hinault, Mercx and Indurain will unite to thwart Lance from getting a 6th. Sure, they will
    pretend to be his friend, but there will be a moment of "et tu brute?" they hope. Lance, being
    street smart knows this cabal will do every dirty trick possible to stop him from getting a
    6th. This year will be interesting. I think it will be a miracle if he even is present in the
    prologue next year, as this cabal will do anything to sideline his career at this point.


    Why don't they like each other?

    M.

  3. "Michael" <[email hidden]> wrote in :"]news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    Why don't they like each other?

    I think they do get along now. There were various periods when the two were at odds, most recently
    over some comments Lemond made after Armstrong's 2001 win: "If Lance is clean, it is the greatest
    comeback in the history of sport. If he isn't, it would be the greatest fraud."

    See the tail-end of this New Yorker profile
    michaelspecter.com2002 07 15 lance.html

  4. In article <[email hidden]>, "Callistus Valerius"

    Quoted message said:

    Lance only has one rule, when being interviewed. If you mention the name Greg LeMond, the
    interview ends there.

    Where did you get this info?

  5. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Lance only has one rule, when being interviewed. If you mention the name Greg LeMond, the
    interview ends there.

    Where did you get this info?

    to prove this to yourself, when reading or seeing an interview, count how many other cyclists
    are mentioned, and then see out of that total how many times the name of the other great
    american cyclist Greg LeMond has been mentioned?

  6. In article <[email hidden]>, "Callistus Valerius"

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Lance only has one rule, when being interviewed. If you mention the name Greg LeMond, the
    interview ends there.

    Where did you get this info?

    to prove this to yourself, when reading or seeing an interview, count how many other cyclists
    are mentioned, and then see out of that total how many times the name of the other great
    american cyclist Greg LeMond has been mentioned?

    Sorry, that is hardly proof of anything.

  7. TimBenz <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    "Michael" <[email hidden]> wrote in :"]news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    Why don't they like each other?

    I think they do get along now. There were various periods when the two were at odds, most recently
    over some comments Lemond made after Armstrong's 2001 win: "If Lance is clean, it is the greatest
    comeback in the history of sport. If he isn't, it would be the greatest fraud."

    See the tail-end of this New Yorker profile
    michaelspecter.com2002 07 15 lance.html

    Doesn't Lance get dope tests after each event? Or before/during the TDF? After his win in Stage 15
    (Bagnères-de-Bigorre > Luz-Ardiden), didn't they give Lance a dope test? At least, this is what I
    read in this month's SI.

  8. Quoted message said:

    I think they do get along now. There were various periods when the two were

    Quoted message said:

    at odds, most recently over some comments Lemond made after Armstrong's 2001 win: "If Lance is
    clean, it is the greatest comeback in the history of sport. If he isn't, it would be the greatest
    fraud."

    See the tail-end of this New Yorker profile
    michaelspecter.com2002 07 15 lance.html

    Doesn't Lance get dope tests after each event? Or before/during the TDF? After his win in Stage 15
    (Bagnères-de-Bigorre > Luz-Ardiden), didn't they give Lance a dope test? At least, this is what I
    read in this month's SI.

    Who knows...in 1997 neither Ullrich nor Virenque were given the "real" doping tests like hematocrit
    only peeing, so...

  9. Quoted message said:

    Doesn't Lance get dope tests after each event? Or before/during the TDF? After his win in Stage 15
    (Bagnères-de-Bigorre > Luz-Ardiden), didn't they give Lance a dope test? At least, this is what I
    read in this month's SI.


    Passing a dope test doesn't mean you're clean.

  10. Passing a dope means you are clean .... just give up, won't you? Lance is the man. "Kyle Legate"
    <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Doesn't Lance get dope tests after each event? Or before/during the TDF? After his win in Stage
    15 (Bagnères-de-Bigorre > Luz-Ardiden), didn't they give Lance a dope test? At least, this is
    what I read in this month's SI.


    Passing a dope test doesn't mean you're clean.

  11. "Hank Sniadoch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Passing a dope means you are clean .... just give up, won't you? Lance is the man.

    And you are what? His girl?

    lol

    Dashii

  12. "Hank Sniadoch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Passing a dope means you are clean .... just give up, won't you? Lance is the man. "Kyle Legate"
    <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Doesn't Lance get dope tests after each event? Or before/during the TDF? After his win in
    Stage 15 (Bagnères-de-Bigorre > Luz-Ardiden), didn't they give Lance a dope test? At least,
    this is what I read in this month's SI.


    Passing a dope test doesn't mean you're clean.

    Passing a dope test means you have not been detected for any banned substances, which is not the
    same as clean.

  13. At this point in time every vested interest in cycling is in maintaining the status quo. ie: "The riders are clean" "The sport is clean" and ergo "Lance is clean".

    Even if a top rider tested positive according to the levels set right now I would suspect it is in the best interest of the UCI or Tour de (any tour) to allow the rider to continue and conceal the positive results.

    A random inconsequential rider should be found testing positive at each event to make appearances look good.

    We know from studies that all of these athletes are within a few percent of each other and we know from studies that the advantage gained from a single doping procedure or substance can be as great as 8%. It only goes to follow that any cyclist that tests positive and is not winning the tour is a clear indication that everyone ahead of him is doping.

    There are those that argue that the finishing order remains the same and the 'dopers' all are on a level playing field. The equation has now become n * EPO + n * HGH + n * IGF + n * corticosteroids, bronchodilators, vasodilators and vasoconstrictors, potent analgesics creatine (etc) = winner

    To some this is acceptable but to riders that ride clean it is detestable.

    I have been gather information that makes me certain that for the most part almost all athletes in all sports use procedures or substances that violate the rules or the spirit of the rules in almost every sport and at almost every level once economic gain is perceived by the athlete or his handlers.

    I don't know why Lemond is so upset about Lance's doping. There is quite a bit of evidence that Lemond used procedures and substances while working with Eddie B and beyond.

    Armstrong has right to be upset as there is usually a code of silence among criminals.

  14. never_doped <[email hidden]> wrote in news:3f2dac60$1_2 @news.chariot.net.au:

    Quoted message said:

    At this point in time every vested interest in cycling is in maintaining the status quo. ie: "The
    riders are clean" "The sport is clean" and ergo "Lance is clean".

    Very well put note. Your thoughts and sentiments, while certainly unvarnished, mirror mine
    very closely.

    T.

  15. "never_doped" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    At this point in time every vested interest in cycling is in maintaining the status quo. ie: "The
    riders are clean" "The sport is clean" and ergo "Lance is clean".

    Even if a top rider tested positive according to the levels set right now I would suspect it is in
    the best interest of the UCI or Tour de (any tour) to allow the rider to continue and conceal the
    positive results.

    A random inconsequential rider should be found testing positive at each event to make appearances
    look good.

    We know from studies that all of these athletes are within a few percent of each other and we know
    from studies that the advantage gained from a single doping procedure or substance can be as great
    as 8%. It only goes to follow that any cyclist that tests positive and is not winning the tour is
    a clear indication that everyone ahead of him is doping.

    There are those that argue that the finishing order remains the same and the 'dopers' all are on a
    level playing field. The equation has now become n * EPO + n * HGH + n * IGF + n *
    corticosteroids, bronchodilators, vasodilators and vasoconstrictors, potent analgesics creatine
    (etc) = winner

    To some this is acceptable but to riders that ride clean it is detestable.

    I have been gather information that makes me certain that for the most part almost all athletes in
    all sports use procedures or substances that violate the rules or the spirit of the rules in
    almost every sport and at almost every level once economic gain is perceived by the athlete or his
    handlers.

    I don't know why Lemond is so upset about Lance's doping. There is quite a bit of evidence that
    Lemond used procedures and substances while working with Eddie B and beyond.

    Armstrong has right to be upset as there is usually a code of silence among criminals.

    A very interesting and eloquent post. Unfortunately, it's long on innuendo and short on evidence.

    Bob C.

  16. "never_doped" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Even if a top rider tested positive according to the levels set right now I would suspect it is in
    the best interest of the UCI or Tour de (any tour) to allow the rider to continue and conceal the
    positive results.

    Remember, Pantani got booted out of the 1999 Giro when he was in pink.

    Quoted message said:

    We know from studies that all of these athletes are within a few percent of each other and we know
    from studies that the advantage gained from a single doping procedure or substance can be as great
    as 8%. It only goes to follow that any cyclist that tests positive and is not winning the tour is
    a clear indication that everyone ahead of him is doping.

    That's not true. I could dope up to the max, enter even a domestic pro race and be in the bottom
    half. That doesn't mean everyone ahead of me is doped.

    Some riders dope up in amateur levels just to make it to the pro level. After that, they go nowhere.

    Quoted message said:

    There are those that argue that the finishing order remains the same and the 'dopers' all are on a
    level playing field. The equation has now become n * EPO + n * HGH + n * IGF + n *
    corticosteroids, bronchodilators, vasodilators and vasoconstrictors, potent analgesics creatine
    (etc) = winner

    IGF? What's that?

    Quoted message said:

    I have been gather information that makes me certain that for the most part almost all athletes in
    all sports use procedures or substances that violate the rules or the spirit of the rules in
    almost every sport and at almost every level once economic gain is perceived by the athlete or his
    handlers.

    Of course. Just like there is insider trading in amont the corporate higher ups in the stock market.

    Quoted message said:

    I don't know why Lemond is so upset about Lance's doping. There is quite a bit of evidence that
    Lemond used procedures and substances while working with Eddie B and beyond.

    This is just speculation of course, but I think Lemond is upset at being sup erceded as the greatest
    ever American cyclist. He probably didn't imagine that his reign would end so soon.

  17. "Kurgan Gringioni" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    :"]news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    This is just speculation of course, but I think Lemond is upset at being sup erceded as the
    greatest ever American cyclist. He probably didn't imagine that his reign would end so soon.

    I agree. Plus, he had the drama of coming back after getting shot, and then Lance even one-ups that
    comeback with cancer. At least, Lemond will always be remembered as the first American virtual 4
    time TDF winner.

    NS

  18. Kurgan Gringioni said:


    IGF? What's that?


    Insulin-like growth factor. I've never heard of it being used for doping, but with a name like that
    the pros might think it's insulin and growth factor all rolled into one. Bonus!

  19. Hank Sniadoch said:

    Passing a dope means you are clean .... just give up, won't you? Lance is the man.


    Are you going to test positive if you dope with hGH or Insulin? Yes or no? This post has nothing to
    do with whether either of those substances are performance enhancing, but it has everything to do
    with whether passing a dope test means you're clean.

  20. In article <[email hidden]>, Kyle Legate

    Quoted message said:
    Kurgan Gringioni said:


    IGF? What's that?


    Insulin-like growth factor. I've never heard of it being used for doping, but with a name like
    that the pros might think it's insulin and growth factor all rolled into one. Bonus!

    Bodyduilders have used it for years.

    -WG

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