End-Bar mirrors

"Alex88" wrote: (clip) the cyclop is convex, is a good or a bad thing?
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Convex is a GOOD thing. It's not so much that it makes things appear
smaller, which it does, but it increases your angle of view. With a flat
mirror you would have to lean to various positions to scan the scene behind
you, which would be difficult, and would never assure you that you have
really taken in everything. In fact, I cannot recall ever seeing a flat
bar-end mirror--I'll bet they are not even available.

A flat helmet mirror is OK, because, being close to your eye, it provides a
larger angle of view. Also, you can scan by just turning or tilting your
head.

Leo Lichtman said:

"Alex88" wrote: (clip) the cyclop is convex, is a good or a bad thing?
(clip)
^^^^^^^^^^^^
Convex is a GOOD thing. It's not so much that it makes things appear
smaller, which it does, but it increases your angle of view. With a flat
mirror you would have to lean to various positions to scan the scene behind
you, which would be difficult, and would never assure you that you have
really taken in everything. In fact, I cannot recall ever seeing a flat
bar-end mirror--I'll bet they are not even available.

I've got one. Rhode Gear, I think, and it has a rubber thing shoved
into the bar which I have replaced with a grommet. Unfortunately it
doesn't bend far enough inward, and it rotates in the bar way too easily
so whenever I want to use it I have to hold it with my hand. There
really ought to be a better design.

I hate convex mirrors -- I can HEAR that there's a car behind me, I just
want to know exactly how far away it is, and looking over my shoulder
shifts my balance in a way that might put me under the wheels of a
cement truck one day. No, if I haven't been able to avoid this after
15,000 miles I probably won't be able to do it next week either.

Quoted message said:

A flat helmet mirror is OK, because, being close to your eye, it provides a
larger angle of view. Also, you can scan by just turning or tilting your
head.

I had one, but I kept knocking it off. The last time it escaped
permanently.

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In rec.bicycles.misc, Leo Lichtman ha avuto il coraggio di scrivere:

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Convex is a GOOD thing.

ok, thank you 😄
so, what one should I buy?

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The Real Bev said:

Leo Lichtman said:

"Alex88" wrote: (clip) the cyclop is convex, is a good or a bad thing?
(clip)
^^^^^^^^^^^^
Convex is a GOOD thing. It's not so much that it makes things appear
smaller, which it does, but it increases your angle of view. With a flat
mirror you would have to lean to various positions to scan the scene behind
you, which would be difficult, and would never assure you that you have
really taken in everything. In fact, I cannot recall ever seeing a flat
bar-end mirror--I'll bet they are not even available.

I've got one. Rhode Gear, I think, and it has a rubber thing shoved
into the bar which I have replaced with a grommet. Unfortunately it
doesn't bend far enough inward, and it rotates in the bar way too easily
so whenever I want to use it I have to hold it with my hand. There
really ought to be a better design.

I also have the Rhode Gear, and also had the 'bend' and 'rotate'
problems. I finally fixed the rotate problem by adding some teflon
pipe thread tape to the ball head threads and then securely tightening
with pliers. I then bent the rear blades against the handlebar and
secured it first with some non-elastic strapping tape, and then
covered that with black electricians tape. Now, a week later, both
problems are gone.

Quoted message said:

I hate convex mirrors -- I can HEAR that there's a car behind me, I just
want to know exactly how far away it is, and looking over my shoulder
shifts my balance in a way that might put me under the wheels of a
cement truck one day. No, if I haven't been able to avoid this after
15,000 miles I probably won't be able to do it next week either.

Quoted message said:

A flat helmet mirror is OK, because, being close to your eye, it provides a
larger angle of view. Also, you can scan by just turning or tilting your
head.

About the same time, a week ago, as I went to work on the Rhode Gear
mirror, I retrieved a Take-a-look eyeglass mirror that had been lying
around unused for a few years. Secured it to my sunglasses and went
out for a lengthy ride.

Now with both handlebar and sunglass mirrors I was able to make a
direct comparison. The convex handlebar mirror deceives one into
believing that there is more time before the car is alongside, and the
eyeglass mirror gives an accurate rendition of the approaching
vehicle. The eyeglass mirror is bright and gives a feeling of
'immediacy with the ability to see behind without head movement;,
whereas the Rhode gear is tinted, smaller imaged, and takes a much
bigger sweep of the head/eyes to secure information.

I am going to continue to test both mirrors, but my feeling right now
is that I may remove the handlebar mirror. I do find the eyeglass
mirror dangling on the side of my head to be somewhat annoying.
Perhaps it is just a matter of acclimation.

In rec.bicycles.misc, Joe Faust ha avuto il coraggio di scrivere:

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The convex handlebar mirror deceives one into
believing that there is more time before the car is alongside,

sorry, how much?

thanks

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Joe Faust said:

I am going to continue to test both mirrors, but my feeling right now
is that I may remove the handlebar mirror. I do find the eyeglass
mirror dangling on the side of my head to be somewhat annoying.
Perhaps it is just a matter of acclimation.

I am looking for an eyeglass mirror...have use dthem for years and to
me they are the best...better field of view, eyes remain forward, no
vibration...use to use one called "Fred's Mirror". Recently moved and
can't find one in the NW Washington area shops.

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hi all,
this is my first post here 😄
i'm from italy and i have a full-suspended bike.
i'm going to buy a mirror for my bike, a end-bar one.
in the net i've seen the zefal cyclop, it costs in italy 13 euro(s).
in decathlon (if you don't know about it, it is a shop that sells only
sport accessores) a mirror for 8 euro.

what should I buy? i think the zefal (more price = more quality)
but the cyclop is convex, is a good or a bad thing? if I have understood
it should mean that i see the things closer then they are in the
reality. I don't know if the decathlon one is convex.

Hi Alex,
Zefal makes great products but you might also want to look at the Third Eye,
www.3rd-eye.com. I use the (09) model on two mountain bikes with bar ends. I
like this mirror because only the round 3 inch mirror and hinge stick out from
the end of the handlebar. This mirror is quite flat but is described as convex.
The mirror itself is glass and I have broken one in a crash but still prefer it
over the others. The company ships internationally. Their website says the (09)
is $17(US) and includes shipping. Hope this helps.
Bill

On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 12:33:22 GMT, Alex88 <[email hidden]>

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In rec.bicycles.misc, Joe Faust ha avuto il coraggio di scrivere:

Quoted message said:

The convex handlebar mirror deceives one into
believing that there is more time before the car is alongside,

sorry, how much?

thanks

It would be impossible to give a precise time reply. It depends on
your speed and the closing speed of the car. However, the convexity
view of the handlebar mirror places the car significantly further back
than the view from the eyeglass mirror.

As of rough guestimate if the car appears to be about 20 feet back in
the eyeglass mirror, it might look as though it is 60 feet back in the
handlebar mirror. If one were preparing for a left turn from the
shoulder of the road, it would be very important to give a look over
one's shoulder, especially with the handlebar mirror. Good practice
with either mirror.

Here is a an article about the Take a look mirror:
http://home.att.net/~mark.livingood/articles/takealook.html

And another from icebike.com about many bike mirrors:
http://users.rcn.com/icebike/Equipment/cyclingmirrors.htm

In rec.bicycles.misc, Joe Faust ha avuto il coraggio di scrivere:

Quoted message said:

It would be impossible to give a precise time reply. It depends on
your speed and the closing speed of the car. However, the convexity
view of the handlebar mirror places the car significantly further back
than the view from the eyeglass mirror.

just another thing:
after using a covex mirror for a time (1 year or more) can I get usual
to see the car far away? or also after 2 year i got to think "ok, the
carz are far away"?

help me 🙁

bye bye

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On Mon, 14 Jun 2004 18:11:09 GMT, Alex88 <[email hidden]>

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In rec.bicycles.misc, Joe Faust ha avuto il coraggio di scrivere:

Quoted message said:

It would be impossible to give a precise time reply. It depends on
your speed and the closing speed of the car. However, the convexity
view of the handlebar mirror places the car significantly further back
than the view from the eyeglass mirror.

just another thing:
after using a covex mirror for a time (1 year or more) can I get usual
to see the car far away? or also after 2 year i got to think "ok, the
carz are far away"?

help me 🙁

bye bye

Yes, the convex mirror is quite usable. You learn to gauge where the
car is. I have been using my convex mirror for a few years now.

In rec.bicycles.misc, Joe Faust ha avuto il coraggio di scrivere:

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Yes, the convex mirror is quite usable. You learn to gauge where the
car is. I have been using my convex mirror for a few years now.

ok, thank you...
i'm going to buy it...

bye bye

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