EMS units?

In article <[email hidden]>,

spodosaurus spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com said:

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

spodosaurus spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com said:

OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:

>Was curious about the use of Neuromuscular stimulation IN ADDITION TO,
>not in place of, weight lifting for, say, a weaker muscle group that
>might be holding you back from faster progress.
>
>If you worked that set of muscles well and then applied an EMS unit
>afterwards, (say, while one is relaxing on usenet ;-) ) can it be
>beneficial?
>
>I understand that they tend to activate different muscle fibers than
>heavy lifting does, at least according to what I've read recently.
>
>Opinions?

Waste of money for slackers trying to get something for no effort.
Useless unless you're coming back from a nasty injury or surgery and
they're being used for rehab.

Mmmm... like the three years I had to rest my left shoulder due to a
rotator cuff injury? ;-)

At one point, I could not even lift my arm up all the way. :-P

No surgery, just time, patience and "rice".

Yep, like I said, for rehab they have their uses. Which RC muscle/tendon
did you hurt?

Not sure... All I know is that I could not use my left arm very well for
close to 3 years. Could not raise my arm out to the side more than 1/2
way up for over a year, and my normal sleeping position (arm under the
pillow) was impossibly excruciating. Doing any real pressing movements
was out for over 2 years.

Did not get an "official" exam, just discussed it with an ortho' in the
hallway at work and did a lot of googling. Did not feel like shelling
out the co-pays for something I felt was fixable with time and rehab.

I'm cheap that way. ;-)
and I have a sheer terror of surgery!

I hurt it mowing the damn lawn. I had a manual push mower and let the
lawn get too tall so was jerking it around a lot to get the damn grass
down.

I have a real mower now. <G>

And the shoulder is fine. Ate a lot of GS too!
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

spodosaurus spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com said:

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
spodosaurus <spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote:

>OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
>
>
>>Was curious about the use of Neuromuscular stimulation IN ADDITION TO,
>>not in place of, weight lifting for, say, a weaker muscle group that
>>might be holding you back from faster progress.
>>
>>If you worked that set of muscles well and then applied an EMS unit
>>afterwards, (say, while one is relaxing on usenet ;-) ) can it be
>>beneficial?
>>
>>I understand that they tend to activate different muscle fibers than
>>heavy lifting does, at least according to what I've read recently.
>>
>>Opinions?
>
>Waste of money for slackers trying to get something for no effort.
>Useless unless you're coming back from a nasty injury or surgery and
>they're being used for rehab.

Mmmm... like the three years I had to rest my left shoulder due to a
rotator cuff injury? ;-)

At one point, I could not even lift my arm up all the way. :-P

No surgery, just time, patience and "rice".

Yep, like I said, for rehab they have their uses. Which RC muscle/tendon
did you hurt?

Not sure... All I know is that I could not use my left arm very well for
close to 3 years. Could not raise my arm out to the side more than 1/2
way up for over a year, and my normal sleeping position (arm under the
pillow) was impossibly excruciating. Doing any real pressing movements
was out for over 2 years.

Did not get an "official" exam, just discussed it with an ortho' in the
hallway at work and did a lot of googling. Did not feel like shelling
out the co-pays for something I felt was fixable with time and rehab.

I'm cheap that way. ;-)

Really a bad idea to be 'cheap' with your body! And three years was
wayyyyyy too long. Surgery was suggested for one of my RC problems, but
I was able to rehab it WITH proper medical advice and monitoring. I know
it's in the past now, but in case of future recuurence, don't wait so
long. You don't want scar tissue complicating matters down the road, and
scar tissue can build up a bit with chronic injury (3 years more than
counts as chronic) making the affected structures weaker in the long run.

Quoted message said:

and I have a sheer terror of surgery!

You and me both! (see sig - post operative as well as nosocomial
infections were among the 'complications' - yet my total hip replacement
operations went very well)

Quoted message said:

I hurt it mowing the damn lawn. I had a manual push mower and let the
lawn get too tall so was jerking it around a lot to get the damn grass
down.

I have a real mower now. <G>

Grin? Why grin? Is your lawn mower cute? hehe

Quoted message said:

And the shoulder is fine. Ate a lot of GS too!

--
spammage trappage: replace fishies_ with yahoo

I'm going to die rather sooner than I'd like. I tried to protect my
neighbours from crime, and became the victim of it. Complications in
hospital following this resulted in a serious illness. I now need a bone
marrow transplant. Many people around the world are waiting for a marrow
transplant, too. Please volunteer to be a marrow donor:
http://www.abmdr.org.au/
http://www.marrow.org/

In article <[email hidden]>,

spodosaurus spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com said:

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

spodosaurus spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com said:

OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:

>In article <[email hidden]>,
> spodosaurus <spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>>OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Was curious about the use of Neuromuscular stimulation IN ADDITION TO,
>>>not in place of, weight lifting for, say, a weaker muscle group that
>>>might be holding you back from faster progress.
>>>
>>>If you worked that set of muscles well and then applied an EMS unit
>>>afterwards, (say, while one is relaxing on usenet ;-) ) can it be
>>>beneficial?
>>>
>>>I understand that they tend to activate different muscle fibers than
>>>heavy lifting does, at least according to what I've read recently.
>>>
>>>Opinions?
>>
>>Waste of money for slackers trying to get something for no effort.
>>Useless unless you're coming back from a nasty injury or surgery and
>>they're being used for rehab.
>
>
>Mmmm... like the three years I had to rest my left shoulder due to a
>rotator cuff injury? ;-)
>
>At one point, I could not even lift my arm up all the way. :-P
>
>No surgery, just time, patience and "rice".

Yep, like I said, for rehab they have their uses. Which RC muscle/tendon
did you hurt?

Not sure... All I know is that I could not use my left arm very well for
close to 3 years. Could not raise my arm out to the side more than 1/2
way up for over a year, and my normal sleeping position (arm under the
pillow) was impossibly excruciating. Doing any real pressing movements
was out for over 2 years.

Did not get an "official" exam, just discussed it with an ortho' in the
hallway at work and did a lot of googling. Did not feel like shelling
out the co-pays for something I felt was fixable with time and rehab.

I'm cheap that way. ;-)

Really a bad idea to be 'cheap' with your body! And three years was
wayyyyyy too long. Surgery was suggested for one of my RC problems, but
I was able to rehab it WITH proper medical advice and monitoring. I know
it's in the past now, but in case of future recuurence, don't wait so
long. You don't want scar tissue complicating matters down the road, and
scar tissue can build up a bit with chronic injury (3 years more than
counts as chronic) making the affected structures weaker in the long run.

True... it's just that I did read that RC injuries can be a real PITA
and take a long time to rehab. Patience seemed to be the key.

Machine work at the gym helps one to work around injuries like that, but
I was on a long layoff anyway due to family obligations.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

and I have a sheer terror of surgery!

You and me both! (see sig - post operative as well as nosocomial
infections were among the 'complications' - yet my total hip replacement
operations went very well)

One of the drawbacks to working in health care is that you get to see
first hand the [censored] that happens. :-( Saw a middle aged woman in her
early 40's die from a simple fibroid cyst removal the other day, and a
very young and vital 19 year old football player become an invalid for a
very long time due to a complication from an appendectomy.

I'm glad your hip replacement worked out ok! That's seriously major
surgery.

I figured I just had connective tissue damage that could be corrected
with the proper supplementation, NSAID's and careful exercises.

I s'pose I'm lucky it all worked out in the long run! I have no pain or
restricted motion in that shoulder now and it's been a good 9 years
since it happened.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I hurt it mowing the damn lawn. I had a manual push mower and let the
lawn get too tall so was jerking it around a lot to get the damn grass
down.

I have a real mower now. <G>

Grin? Why grin? Is your lawn mower cute? hehe

;-D Had to do with trying to be cheap again...

I get so sick to death of lawn mowers acting up the beginning of every
season and having to be replaced so often, I figured a manual one would
be a better long term investment! No cords to jerk, no motor etc. Just
blades to keep clean and sharp.

Trouble is, you have to keep up with the lawn and not procrastinate. ;-)

I still have it out back somewhere.
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

spodosaurus spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com said:

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
spodosaurus <spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote:

>OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
>
>
>>In article <[email hidden]>,
>>spodosaurus <spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Was curious about the use of Neuromuscular stimulation IN ADDITION TO,
>>>>not in place of, weight lifting for, say, a weaker muscle group that
>>>>might be holding you back from faster progress.
>>>>
>>>>If you worked that set of muscles well and then applied an EMS unit
>>>>afterwards, (say, while one is relaxing on usenet ;-) ) can it be
>>>>beneficial?
>>>>
>>>>I understand that they tend to activate different muscle fibers than
>>>>heavy lifting does, at least according to what I've read recently.
>>>>
>>>>Opinions?
>>>
>>>Waste of money for slackers trying to get something for no effort.
>>>Useless unless you're coming back from a nasty injury or surgery and
>>>they're being used for rehab.
>>
>>
>>Mmmm... like the three years I had to rest my left shoulder due to a
>>rotator cuff injury? ;-)
>>
>>At one point, I could not even lift my arm up all the way. :-P
>>
>>No surgery, just time, patience and "rice".
>
>Yep, like I said, for rehab they have their uses. Which RC muscle/tendon
>did you hurt?

Not sure... All I know is that I could not use my left arm very well for
close to 3 years. Could not raise my arm out to the side more than 1/2
way up for over a year, and my normal sleeping position (arm under the
pillow) was impossibly excruciating. Doing any real pressing movements
was out for over 2 years.

Did not get an "official" exam, just discussed it with an ortho' in the
hallway at work and did a lot of googling. Did not feel like shelling
out the co-pays for something I felt was fixable with time and rehab.

I'm cheap that way. ;-)

Really a bad idea to be 'cheap' with your body! And three years was
wayyyyyy too long. Surgery was suggested for one of my RC problems, but
I was able to rehab it WITH proper medical advice and monitoring. I know
it's in the past now, but in case of future recuurence, don't wait so
long. You don't want scar tissue complicating matters down the road, and
scar tissue can build up a bit with chronic injury (3 years more than
counts as chronic) making the affected structures weaker in the long run.

True... it's just that I did read that RC injuries can be a real PITA
and take a long time to rehab. Patience seemed to be the key.

Machine work at the gym helps one to work around injuries like that, but
I was on a long layoff anyway due to family obligations.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

and I have a sheer terror of surgery!

You and me both! (see sig - post operative as well as nosocomial
infections were among the 'complications' - yet my total hip replacement
operations went very well)

One of the drawbacks to working in health care is that you get to see
first hand the [censored] that happens. :-( Saw a middle aged woman in her
early 40's die from a simple fibroid cyst removal the other day, and a
very young and vital 19 year old football player become an invalid for a
very long time due to a complication from an appendectomy.

I'm glad your hip replacement worked out ok! That's seriously major
surgery.

I figured I just had connective tissue damage that could be corrected
with the proper supplementation, NSAID's and careful exercises.

I s'pose I'm lucky it all worked out in the long run! I have no pain or
restricted motion in that shoulder now and it's been a good 9 years
since it happened.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I hurt it mowing the damn lawn. I had a manual push mower and let the
lawn get too tall so was jerking it around a lot to get the damn grass
down.

I have a real mower now. <G>

Grin? Why grin? Is your lawn mower cute? hehe

;-D Had to do with trying to be cheap again...

I get so sick to death of lawn mowers acting up the beginning of every
season and having to be replaced so often, I figured a manual one would
be a better long term investment! No cords to jerk, no motor etc. Just
blades to keep clean and sharp.

Trouble is, you have to keep up with the lawn and not procrastinate. ;-)

I still have it out back somewhere.

Buy a goat :-)

--
spammage trappage: replace fishies_ with yahoo

I'm going to die rather sooner than I'd like. I tried to protect my
neighbours from crime, and became the victim of it. Complications in
hospital following this resulted in a serious illness. I now need a bone
marrow transplant. Many people around the world are waiting for a marrow
transplant, too. Please volunteer to be a marrow donor:
http://www.abmdr.org.au/
http://www.marrow.org/

spodosaurus said:

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

spodosaurus spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com said:

OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> spodosaurus <spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote:
>>OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
>>>spodosaurus <spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote:
>>>>OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
>>>>>Was curious about the use of Neuromuscular stimulation IN ADDITION TO,
>>>>>not in place of, weight lifting for, say, a weaker muscle group that
>>>>>might be holding you back from faster progress.
>>>>>
>>>>>If you worked that set of muscles well and then applied an EMS unit
>>>>>afterwards, (say, while one is relaxing on usenet ;-) ) can it be
>>>>>beneficial?
>>>>>
>>>>>I understand that they tend to activate different muscle fibers than
>>>>>heavy lifting does, at least according to what I've read recently.
>>>>>
>>>>>Opinions?
>>>>
>>>>Waste of money for slackers trying to get something for no effort.
>>>>Useless unless you're coming back from a nasty injury or surgery and
>>>>they're being used for rehab.
>>>
>>>Mmmm... like the three years I had to rest my left shoulder due to a
>>>rotator cuff injury? ;-)
>>>
>>>At one point, I could not even lift my arm up all the way. :-P
>>>
>>>No surgery, just time, patience and "rice".
>>
>>Yep, like I said, for rehab they have their uses. Which RC muscle/tendon
>>did you hurt?
>
>Not sure... All I know is that I could not use my left arm very well for
>close to 3 years. Could not raise my arm out to the side more than 1/2
>way up for over a year, and my normal sleeping position (arm under the
>pillow) was impossibly excruciating. Doing any real pressing movements
>was out for over 2 years.
>
>Did not get an "official" exam, just discussed it with an ortho' in the
>hallway at work and did a lot of googling. Did not feel like shelling
>out the co-pays for something I felt was fixable with time and rehab.
>
>I'm cheap that way. ;-)

Really a bad idea to be 'cheap' with your body! And three years was
wayyyyyy too long. Surgery was suggested for one of my RC problems, but
I was able to rehab it WITH proper medical advice and monitoring. I know
it's in the past now, but in case of future recuurence, don't wait so
long. You don't want scar tissue complicating matters down the road, and
scar tissue can build up a bit with chronic injury (3 years more than
counts as chronic) making the affected structures weaker in the long run.

True... it's just that I did read that RC injuries can be a real PITA
and take a long time to rehab. Patience seemed to be the key.

Machine work at the gym helps one to work around injuries like that, but
I was on a long layoff anyway due to family obligations.

Quoted message said:

>and I have a sheer terror of surgery!

You and me both! (see sig - post operative as well as nosocomial
infections were among the 'complications' - yet my total hip replacement
operations went very well)

One of the drawbacks to working in health care is that you get to see
first hand the [censored] that happens. :-( Saw a middle aged woman in her
early 40's die from a simple fibroid cyst removal the other day, and a
very young and vital 19 year old football player become an invalid for a
very long time due to a complication from an appendectomy.

I'm glad your hip replacement worked out ok! That's seriously major
surgery.

I figured I just had connective tissue damage that could be corrected
with the proper supplementation, NSAID's and careful exercises.

I s'pose I'm lucky it all worked out in the long run! I have no pain or
restricted motion in that shoulder now and it's been a good 9 years
since it happened.

Quoted message said:

>I hurt it mowing the damn lawn. I had a manual push mower and let the
>lawn get too tall so was jerking it around a lot to get the damn grass
>down.
>
>I have a real mower now. <G>

Grin? Why grin? Is your lawn mower cute? hehe

;-D Had to do with trying to be cheap again...

I get so sick to death of lawn mowers acting up the beginning of every
season and having to be replaced so often, I figured a manual one would
be a better long term investment! No cords to jerk, no motor etc. Just
blades to keep clean and sharp.

Trouble is, you have to keep up with the lawn and not procrastinate. ;-)

I still have it out back somewhere.

Buy a goat :-)

That's a really baaaaaaaaaad idea.

David

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Quoted message said:

spodosaurus said:

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

spodosaurus <spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote:
>OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
>> spodosaurus <spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote:
>>>OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
>>>>spodosaurus <spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote:
>>>>>OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
>>>>>>Was curious about the use of Neuromuscular stimulation IN

ADDITION TO,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>>>>>not in place of, weight lifting for, say, a weaker muscle group

that

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>>>>>might be holding you back from faster progress.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If you worked that set of muscles well and then applied an EMS

unit

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>>>>>afterwards, (say, while one is relaxing on usenet ;-) ) can it be
>>>>>>beneficial?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I understand that they tend to activate different muscle fibers

than

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>>>>>heavy lifting does, at least according to what I've read

recently.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>>>>>
>>>>>>Opinions?
>>>>>
>>>>>Waste of money for slackers trying to get something for no effort.
>>>>>Useless unless you're coming back from a nasty injury or surgery

and

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>>>>they're being used for rehab.
>>>>
>>>>Mmmm... like the three years I had to rest my left shoulder due to

a

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>>>rotator cuff injury? ;-)
>>>>
>>>>At one point, I could not even lift my arm up all the way. :-P
>>>>
>>>>No surgery, just time, patience and "rice".
>>>
>>>Yep, like I said, for rehab they have their uses. Which RC

muscle/tendon

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>>did you hurt?
>>
>>Not sure... All I know is that I could not use my left arm very well

for

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>close to 3 years. Could not raise my arm out to the side more than

1/2

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>way up for over a year, and my normal sleeping position (arm under

the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>pillow) was impossibly excruciating. Doing any real pressing

movements

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>was out for over 2 years.
>>
>>Did not get an "official" exam, just discussed it with an ortho' in

the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>hallway at work and did a lot of googling. Did not feel like shelling
>>out the co-pays for something I felt was fixable with time and rehab.
>>
>>I'm cheap that way. ;-)
>
>Really a bad idea to be 'cheap' with your body! And three years was
>wayyyyyy too long. Surgery was suggested for one of my RC problems,

but

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>I was able to rehab it WITH proper medical advice and monitoring. I

know

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>it's in the past now, but in case of future recuurence, don't wait so
>long. You don't want scar tissue complicating matters down the road,

and

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>scar tissue can build up a bit with chronic injury (3 years more than
>counts as chronic) making the affected structures weaker in the long

run.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

True... it's just that I did read that RC injuries can be a real PITA
and take a long time to rehab. Patience seemed to be the key.

Machine work at the gym helps one to work around injuries like that,

but

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I was on a long layoff anyway due to family obligations.

>>and I have a sheer terror of surgery!
>
>You and me both! (see sig - post operative as well as nosocomial
>infections were among the 'complications' - yet my total hip

replacement

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>operations went very well)

One of the drawbacks to working in health care is that you get to see
first hand the [censored] that happens. :-( Saw a middle aged woman in her
early 40's die from a simple fibroid cyst removal the other day, and a
very young and vital 19 year old football player become an invalid for

a

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

very long time due to a complication from an appendectomy.

I'm glad your hip replacement worked out ok! That's seriously major
surgery.

I figured I just had connective tissue damage that could be corrected
with the proper supplementation, NSAID's and careful exercises.

I s'pose I'm lucky it all worked out in the long run! I have no pain

or

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

restricted motion in that shoulder now and it's been a good 9 years
since it happened.

>>I hurt it mowing the damn lawn. I had a manual push mower and let the
>>lawn get too tall so was jerking it around a lot to get the damn

grass

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>down.
>>
>>I have a real mower now. <G>
>
>Grin? Why grin? Is your lawn mower cute? hehe

;-D Had to do with trying to be cheap again...

I get so sick to death of lawn mowers acting up the beginning of every
season and having to be replaced so often, I figured a manual one

would

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

be a better long term investment! No cords to jerk, no motor etc. Just
blades to keep clean and sharp.

Trouble is, you have to keep up with the lawn and not procrastinate.

;-)

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I still have it out back somewhere.

Buy a goat :-)

That's a really baaaaaaaaaad idea.

David

No one is interested in this thread - could you please comment on the one
about the funny story at the gym?

In article <[email hidden]>,

spodosaurus spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com said:

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

spodosaurus spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com said:

OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:

>In article <[email hidden]>,
> spodosaurus <spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>>OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
>>
>>
>>>In article <[email hidden]>,
>>>spodosaurus <spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Was curious about the use of Neuromuscular stimulation IN ADDITION TO,
>>>>>not in place of, weight lifting for, say, a weaker muscle group that
>>>>>might be holding you back from faster progress.
>>>>>
>>>>>If you worked that set of muscles well and then applied an EMS unit
>>>>>afterwards, (say, while one is relaxing on usenet ;-) ) can it be
>>>>>beneficial?
>>>>>
>>>>>I understand that they tend to activate different muscle fibers than
>>>>>heavy lifting does, at least according to what I've read recently.
>>>>>
>>>>>Opinions?
>>>>
>>>>Waste of money for slackers trying to get something for no effort.
>>>>Useless unless you're coming back from a nasty injury or surgery and
>>>>they're being used for rehab.
>>>
>>>
>>>Mmmm... like the three years I had to rest my left shoulder due to a
>>>rotator cuff injury? ;-)
>>>
>>>At one point, I could not even lift my arm up all the way. :-P
>>>
>>>No surgery, just time, patience and "rice".
>>
>>Yep, like I said, for rehab they have their uses. Which RC muscle/tendon
>>did you hurt?
>
>
>Not sure... All I know is that I could not use my left arm very well for
>close to 3 years. Could not raise my arm out to the side more than 1/2
>way up for over a year, and my normal sleeping position (arm under the
>pillow) was impossibly excruciating. Doing any real pressing movements
>was out for over 2 years.
>
>Did not get an "official" exam, just discussed it with an ortho' in the
>hallway at work and did a lot of googling. Did not feel like shelling
>out the co-pays for something I felt was fixable with time and rehab.
>
>I'm cheap that way. ;-)

Really a bad idea to be 'cheap' with your body! And three years was
wayyyyyy too long. Surgery was suggested for one of my RC problems, but
I was able to rehab it WITH proper medical advice and monitoring. I know
it's in the past now, but in case of future recuurence, don't wait so
long. You don't want scar tissue complicating matters down the road, and
scar tissue can build up a bit with chronic injury (3 years more than
counts as chronic) making the affected structures weaker in the long run.

True... it's just that I did read that RC injuries can be a real PITA
and take a long time to rehab. Patience seemed to be the key.

Machine work at the gym helps one to work around injuries like that, but
I was on a long layoff anyway due to family obligations.

Quoted message said:

>and I have a sheer terror of surgery!

You and me both! (see sig - post operative as well as nosocomial
infections were among the 'complications' - yet my total hip replacement
operations went very well)

One of the drawbacks to working in health care is that you get to see
first hand the [censored] that happens. :-( Saw a middle aged woman in her
early 40's die from a simple fibroid cyst removal the other day, and a
very young and vital 19 year old football player become an invalid for a
very long time due to a complication from an appendectomy.

I'm glad your hip replacement worked out ok! That's seriously major
surgery.

I figured I just had connective tissue damage that could be corrected
with the proper supplementation, NSAID's and careful exercises.

I s'pose I'm lucky it all worked out in the long run! I have no pain or
restricted motion in that shoulder now and it's been a good 9 years
since it happened.

Quoted message said:

>I hurt it mowing the damn lawn. I had a manual push mower and let the
>lawn get too tall so was jerking it around a lot to get the damn grass
>down.
>
>I have a real mower now. <G>

Grin? Why grin? Is your lawn mower cute? hehe

;-D Had to do with trying to be cheap again...

I get so sick to death of lawn mowers acting up the beginning of every
season and having to be replaced so often, I figured a manual one would
be a better long term investment! No cords to jerk, no motor etc. Just
blades to keep clean and sharp.

Trouble is, you have to keep up with the lawn and not procrastinate. ;-)

I still have it out back somewhere.

Buy a goat :-)

Or a sheep....... ;-)
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

In article <[email hidden]>,

David Cohen said:

spodosaurus said:

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

spodosaurus <spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote:
>OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
>> spodosaurus <spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote:
>>>OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
>>>>spodosaurus <spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote:
>>>>>OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
>>>>>>Was curious about the use of Neuromuscular stimulation IN ADDITION
>>>>>>TO,
>>>>>>not in place of, weight lifting for, say, a weaker muscle group that
>>>>>>might be holding you back from faster progress.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If you worked that set of muscles well and then applied an EMS unit
>>>>>>afterwards, (say, while one is relaxing on usenet ;-) ) can it be
>>>>>>beneficial?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I understand that they tend to activate different muscle fibers than
>>>>>>heavy lifting does, at least according to what I've read recently.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Opinions?
>>>>>
>>>>>Waste of money for slackers trying to get something for no effort.
>>>>>Useless unless you're coming back from a nasty injury or surgery and
>>>>>they're being used for rehab.
>>>>
>>>>Mmmm... like the three years I had to rest my left shoulder due to a
>>>>rotator cuff injury? ;-)
>>>>
>>>>At one point, I could not even lift my arm up all the way. :-P
>>>>
>>>>No surgery, just time, patience and "rice".
>>>
>>>Yep, like I said, for rehab they have their uses. Which RC
>>>muscle/tendon
>>>did you hurt?
>>
>>Not sure... All I know is that I could not use my left arm very well for
>>close to 3 years. Could not raise my arm out to the side more than 1/2
>>way up for over a year, and my normal sleeping position (arm under the
>>pillow) was impossibly excruciating. Doing any real pressing movements
>>was out for over 2 years.
>>
>>Did not get an "official" exam, just discussed it with an ortho' in the
>>hallway at work and did a lot of googling. Did not feel like shelling
>>out the co-pays for something I felt was fixable with time and rehab.
>>
>>I'm cheap that way. ;-)
>
>Really a bad idea to be 'cheap' with your body! And three years was
>wayyyyyy too long. Surgery was suggested for one of my RC problems, but
>I was able to rehab it WITH proper medical advice and monitoring. I know
>it's in the past now, but in case of future recuurence, don't wait so
>long. You don't want scar tissue complicating matters down the road, and
>scar tissue can build up a bit with chronic injury (3 years more than
>counts as chronic) making the affected structures weaker in the long run.

True... it's just that I did read that RC injuries can be a real PITA
and take a long time to rehab. Patience seemed to be the key.

Machine work at the gym helps one to work around injuries like that, but
I was on a long layoff anyway due to family obligations.

>>and I have a sheer terror of surgery!
>
>You and me both! (see sig - post operative as well as nosocomial
>infections were among the 'complications' - yet my total hip replacement
>operations went very well)

One of the drawbacks to working in health care is that you get to see
first hand the [censored] that happens. :-( Saw a middle aged woman in her
early 40's die from a simple fibroid cyst removal the other day, and a
very young and vital 19 year old football player become an invalid for a
very long time due to a complication from an appendectomy.

I'm glad your hip replacement worked out ok! That's seriously major
surgery.

I figured I just had connective tissue damage that could be corrected
with the proper supplementation, NSAID's and careful exercises.

I s'pose I'm lucky it all worked out in the long run! I have no pain or
restricted motion in that shoulder now and it's been a good 9 years
since it happened.

>>I hurt it mowing the damn lawn. I had a manual push mower and let the
>>lawn get too tall so was jerking it around a lot to get the damn grass
>>down.
>>
>>I have a real mower now. <G>
>
>Grin? Why grin? Is your lawn mower cute? hehe

;-D Had to do with trying to be cheap again...

I get so sick to death of lawn mowers acting up the beginning of every
season and having to be replaced so often, I figured a manual one would
be a better long term investment! No cords to jerk, no motor etc. Just
blades to keep clean and sharp.

Trouble is, you have to keep up with the lawn and not procrastinate. ;-)

I still have it out back somewhere.

Buy a goat :-)

That's a really baaaaaaaaaad idea.

David

You mean Baa-a-a-a-a-d?

I used to have goats when I was in FFA back in high school.
They'd eat anything in site that they could reach.... except for the
grass. :-P

Sheep are actually better lawn mowers.
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

In article <[email hidden]>,

David said:

"David Cohen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

spodosaurus said:

OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> spodosaurus <spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote:
>>OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
>>> spodosaurus <spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote:
>>>>OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
>>>>>spodosaurus <spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote:
>>>>>>OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
>>>>>>>Was curious about the use of Neuromuscular stimulation IN

ADDITION TO,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>>>>>>not in place of, weight lifting for, say, a weaker muscle group

that

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>>>>>>might be holding you back from faster progress.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>If you worked that set of muscles well and then applied an EMS

unit

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>>>>>>afterwards, (say, while one is relaxing on usenet ;-) ) can it be
>>>>>>>beneficial?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I understand that they tend to activate different muscle fibers

than

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>>>>>>heavy lifting does, at least according to what I've read

recently.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Opinions?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Waste of money for slackers trying to get something for no effort.
>>>>>>Useless unless you're coming back from a nasty injury or surgery

and

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>>>>>they're being used for rehab.
>>>>>
>>>>>Mmmm... like the three years I had to rest my left shoulder due to

a

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>>>>rotator cuff injury? ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>>At one point, I could not even lift my arm up all the way. :-P
>>>>>
>>>>>No surgery, just time, patience and "rice".
>>>>
>>>>Yep, like I said, for rehab they have their uses. Which RC

muscle/tendon

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>>>did you hurt?
>>>
>>>Not sure... All I know is that I could not use my left arm very well

for

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>>close to 3 years. Could not raise my arm out to the side more than

1/2

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>>way up for over a year, and my normal sleeping position (arm under

the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>>pillow) was impossibly excruciating. Doing any real pressing

movements

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>>was out for over 2 years.
>>>
>>>Did not get an "official" exam, just discussed it with an ortho' in

the

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>>hallway at work and did a lot of googling. Did not feel like shelling
>>>out the co-pays for something I felt was fixable with time and rehab.
>>>
>>>I'm cheap that way. ;-)
>>
>>Really a bad idea to be 'cheap' with your body! And three years was
>>wayyyyyy too long. Surgery was suggested for one of my RC problems,

but

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>I was able to rehab it WITH proper medical advice and monitoring. I

know

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>it's in the past now, but in case of future recuurence, don't wait so
>>long. You don't want scar tissue complicating matters down the road,

and

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>scar tissue can build up a bit with chronic injury (3 years more than
>>counts as chronic) making the affected structures weaker in the long

run.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>
> True... it's just that I did read that RC injuries can be a real PITA
> and take a long time to rehab. Patience seemed to be the key.
>
> Machine work at the gym helps one to work around injuries like that,

but

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> I was on a long layoff anyway due to family obligations.
>
>>>and I have a sheer terror of surgery!
>>
>>You and me both! (see sig - post operative as well as nosocomial
>>infections were among the 'complications' - yet my total hip

replacement

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>operations went very well)
>
> One of the drawbacks to working in health care is that you get to see
> first hand the [censored] that happens. :-( Saw a middle aged woman in her
> early 40's die from a simple fibroid cyst removal the other day, and a
> very young and vital 19 year old football player become an invalid for

a

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> very long time due to a complication from an appendectomy.
>
> I'm glad your hip replacement worked out ok! That's seriously major
> surgery.
>
> I figured I just had connective tissue damage that could be corrected
> with the proper supplementation, NSAID's and careful exercises.
>
> I s'pose I'm lucky it all worked out in the long run! I have no pain

or

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> restricted motion in that shoulder now and it's been a good 9 years
> since it happened.
>
>>>I hurt it mowing the damn lawn. I had a manual push mower and let the
>>>lawn get too tall so was jerking it around a lot to get the damn

grass

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>>>down.
>>>
>>>I have a real mower now. <G>
>>
>>Grin? Why grin? Is your lawn mower cute? hehe
>
> ;-D Had to do with trying to be cheap again...
>
> I get so sick to death of lawn mowers acting up the beginning of every
> season and having to be replaced so often, I figured a manual one

would

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> be a better long term investment! No cords to jerk, no motor etc. Just
> blades to keep clean and sharp.
>
> Trouble is, you have to keep up with the lawn and not procrastinate.

;-)

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>
> I still have it out back somewhere.

Buy a goat :-)

That's a really baaaaaaaaaad idea.

David

No one is interested in this thread - could you please comment on the one
about the funny story at the gym?

So why are you reading it then?
I KF'd the one about the funny story at the gym since it started out as
a flame war!

At least this one _was_ sort of on topic.
A "pet" lawn mower would help to prevent any more stupid sports
injuries. ;-)
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

David Cohen said:

spodosaurus wrote:

[.....]

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Buy a goat :-)

That's a really baaaaaaaaaad idea.

David

You mean Baa-a-a-a-a-d?

I used to have goats when I was in FFA back in high school.
They'd eat anything in site that they could reach.... except for the
grass. :-P

Sheep are actually better lawn mowers.
--
Om.

Of course sheep have other uses

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

David said:

"David Cohen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

[......]

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> Buy a goat :-)

That's a really baaaaaaaaaad idea.

David

No one is interested in this thread - could you please comment on the

one

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

about the funny story at the gym?

So why are you reading it then?
I KF'd the one about the funny story at the gym since it started out as
a flame war!

At least this one _was_ sort of on topic.
A "pet" lawn mower would help to prevent any more stupid sports
injuries. ;-)
--
Om.

Sorry . . I thought flame wars were the whole point of this group!

In article <[email hidden]>,

David said:

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

David Cohen said:

spodosaurus wrote:

[.....]

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> Buy a goat :-)

That's a really baaaaaaaaaad idea.

David

You mean Baa-a-a-a-a-d?

I used to have goats when I was in FFA back in high school.
They'd eat anything in site that they could reach.... except for the
grass. :-P

Sheep are actually better lawn mowers.
--
Om.

Of course sheep have other uses

<snort>
You must be from New Zealand?????

What do you call a New Zealander with a sheep under each arm?
..
..
..
..
..
..
..
..
..
..
..
..
..
A Pimp.
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

David said:

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

David Cohen said:

spodosaurus wrote:

[.....]

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>Buy a goat :-)

That's a really baaaaaaaaaad idea.

David

You mean Baa-a-a-a-a-d?

I used to have goats when I was in FFA back in high school.
They'd eat anything in site that they could reach.... except for the
grass. :-P

Sheep are actually better lawn mowers.
--
Om.

Of course sheep have other uses

What's with your email, don't they have yahoo.com.nz?

--
spammage trappage: replace fishies_ with yahoo

I'm going to die rather sooner than I'd like. I tried to protect my
neighbours from crime, and became the victim of it. Complications in
hospital following this resulted in a serious illness. I now need a bone
marrow transplant. Many people around the world are waiting for a marrow
transplant, too. Please volunteer to be a marrow donor:
http://www.abmdr.org.au/
http://www.marrow.org/

In article <[email hidden]>,

David said:

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

David said:

"David Cohen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
>

[......]

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > Buy a goat :-)
>
> That's a really baaaaaaaaaad idea.
>
> David
>
No one is interested in this thread - could you please comment on the

one

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

about the funny story at the gym?

So why are you reading it then?
I KF'd the one about the funny story at the gym since it started out as
a flame war!

At least this one _was_ sort of on topic.
A "pet" lawn mower would help to prevent any more stupid sports
injuries. ;-)
--
Om.

Sorry . . I thought flame wars were the whole point of this group!

Depends........
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

David said:

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
"David Cohen" <[email hidden]> wrote:

> spodosaurus wrote:

[.....]

Quoted message said:

> > Buy a goat :-)
>
> That's a really baaaaaaaaaad idea.
>
> David
>

You mean Baa-a-a-a-a-d?

I used to have goats when I was in FFA back in high school.
They'd eat anything in site that they could reach.... except for the
grass. :-P

Sheep are actually better lawn mowers.
--
Om.

Of course sheep have other uses

<snort>
You must be from New Zealand?????

What do you call a New Zealander with a sheep under each arm?

..

Quoted message said:

.
.
A Pimp.
--
Om.

Ha ha that's a good one!

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news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

David said:

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
"David Cohen" <[email hidden]> wrote:

>spodosaurus wrote:

[.....]

Quoted message said:

>>Buy a goat :-)
>
>That's a really baaaaaaaaaad idea.
>
>David
>

You mean Baa-a-a-a-a-d?

I used to have goats when I was in FFA back in high school.
They'd eat anything in site that they could reach.... except for the
grass. :-P

Sheep are actually better lawn mowers.
--
Om.

Of course sheep have other uses

What's with your email, don't they have yahoo.com.nz?

Lol! (I think that sheep are tired of being considered just sex objects.
They should be treated with respect for their mind and accomplishments).

David said:

"spodosaurus" <spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

David said:

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

>In article <[email hidden]>,
>"David Cohen" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>
>
>>spodosaurus wrote:

[.....]

>>>Buy a goat :-)
>>
>>That's a really baaaaaaaaaad idea.
>>
>>David
>>
>
>You mean Baa-a-a-a-a-d?
>
>I used to have goats when I was in FFA back in high school.
>They'd eat anything in site that they could reach.... except for the
>grass. :-P
>
>Sheep are actually better lawn mowers.
>--
>Om.

Of course sheep have other uses

What's with your email, don't they have yahoo.com.nz?

Lol! (I think that sheep are tired of being considered just sex objects.
They should be treated with respect for their mind and accomplishments).

Forwarded to NZ consular general.

--
spammage trappage: replace fishies_ with yahoo

I'm going to die rather sooner than I'd like. I tried to protect my
neighbours from crime, and became the victim of it. Complications in
hospital following this resulted in a serious illness. I now need a bone
marrow transplant. Many people around the world are waiting for a marrow
transplant, too. Please volunteer to be a marrow donor:
http://www.abmdr.org.au/
http://www.marrow.org/

"spodosaurus" <spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

David said:

"spodosaurus" <spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

David wrote:

>"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>news:[email hidden]...
>
>
>>In article <[email hidden]>,
>>"David Cohen" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>spodosaurus wrote:
>
>
>[.....]
>
>
>
>>>>Buy a goat :-)
>>>
>>>That's a really baaaaaaaaaad idea.
>>>
>>>David
>>>
>>
>>You mean Baa-a-a-a-a-d?
>>
>>I used to have goats when I was in FFA back in high school.
>>They'd eat anything in site that they could reach.... except for the
>>grass. :-P
>>
>>Sheep are actually better lawn mowers.
>>--
>>Om.
>
>
>Of course sheep have other uses
>
>

What's with your email, don't they have yahoo.com.nz?

Lol! (I think that sheep are tired of being considered just sex objects.
They should be treated with respect for their mind and accomplishments).

Forwarded to NZ consular general.

🙂

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

Was curious about the use of Neuromuscular stimulation IN ADDITION TO,
not in place of, weight lifting for, say, a weaker muscle group that
might be holding you back from faster progress.

If you worked that set of muscles well and then applied an EMS unit
afterwards, (say, while one is relaxing on usenet ;-) ) can it be
beneficial?

I understand that they tend to activate different muscle fibers than
heavy lifting does, at least according to what I've read recently.

Opinions?

dunno, but overheard at a bar in Vegas...

Unknown man: Hey baby, wanna go back to my place and see some serious
firepower?

Woman: Put your firepower up your ass

Man: Way ahead of ya babe they don't call it a CCW for nothing...

Man: Maybe you can help me and I'll show you my EMS unit.

Woman: You work in the EMS?

Man: ohhhhh, yeah

--
Is this thing on?

In article <[email hidden]>,

Joe Humble said:

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

Was curious about the use of Neuromuscular stimulation IN ADDITION TO,
not in place of, weight lifting for, say, a weaker muscle group that
might be holding you back from faster progress.

If you worked that set of muscles well and then applied an EMS unit
afterwards, (say, while one is relaxing on usenet ;-) ) can it be
beneficial?

I understand that they tend to activate different muscle fibers than
heavy lifting does, at least according to what I've read recently.

Opinions?

dunno, but overheard at a bar in Vegas...

Unknown man: Hey baby, wanna go back to my place and see some serious
firepower?

Woman: Put your firepower up your ass

Man: Way ahead of ya babe they don't call it a CCW for nothing...

Man: Maybe you can help me and I'll show you my EMS unit.

Woman: You work in the EMS?

Man: ohhhhh, yeah

That was funny. ;-)
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson