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  1. I was cycling through the northern suburbs into Plymouth yesterday
    evening. Time, a little after 7pm for a 7:30 rehearsal of
    http://www.theatreroyal.com/showpage.php?dd=1&theid=2578

    The route takes me (more or less) past Derriford, the city (and region's)
    biggest hospital. On that stretch of road I hear an emergency vehicle
    coming up behing, siren wailing. No problem; it was wailing far enough
    in advance to assess the situation. An approaching ambulance with ample
    space to pass; no need for me to do anything.

    A minute or so later, another siren. This one was almost upon me before
    it started up, so no time to assess the situation. And I was at the
    point where my route goes straight ahead onto a flyover, but a lot of
    traffic filters off left into a slip road for a huge roundabout and
    the A38. I moved left, putting me on and just over the dotted line
    for the slip road as the ambulance comes past far too close (unlike
    the first one). And, as I try to reclaim my route, a 4x4 which is
    tailgating the ambulance tries to wipe me out, and another driver
    behind got confused requiring another minor evasive action.

    This leads me to several conclusions:

    (1) While we should all allow emergency vehicles through, they need
    to help. In this instance, the second ambulance should have
    sounded its siren well in advance of filtering left while
    overtaking. Don't these drivers have training?
    (2) Some modern sirens are wholly inappropriate to the task.
    The ones used on both these ambulances were much harder to
    locate than the sound of an old-fashioned siren, or indeed
    a car horn. Manufacturers and NHS procurement managers need
    to use their braincells.
    (3) Tailgating an emergency vehicle - even firmly within the
    speed limit - is seriously dangerous. Motorists should be
    educated, and that should be backed up with prosecutions
    where appropriate.

    --
    Nick Kew

  2. Nick Kew said:


    This leads me to several conclusions:

    (1) While we should all allow emergency vehicles through, they need
    to help. In this instance, the second ambulance should have
    sounded its siren well in advance of filtering left while
    overtaking. Don't these drivers have training?
    (2) Some modern sirens are wholly inappropriate to the task.
    The ones used on both these ambulances were much harder to
    locate than the sound of an old-fashioned siren, or indeed
    a car horn. Manufacturers and NHS procurement managers need
    to use their braincells.
    (3) Tailgating an emergency vehicle - even firmly within the
    speed limit - is seriously dangerous. Motorists should be
    educated, and that should be backed up with prosecutions
    where appropriate.

    I live on a busy main road with school and a big police station. The
    speed at which some of them travel is outrageous. They seem to think
    having the woo-woo's on is a licence to drive like Bodie & Doyle. Ive
    also come round a corner to find a police car on the wrong side of the
    road overtaking and heading for me. They do kill quite a few people and
    in some states in America they are no longer able to do Starsky &
    Hutch impersonations for this very reason.

    Fire engines IME seem to be better driven and ambulances. Obviously it
    is more imperative that they get there.

    Having said that they were experimenting a while ago with the horns as
    the directionality apparently was improved by adding white noise, I
    remember hearing a few but none in recent memory. But I don't like it
    when they sneak up behind you and let you have it with the sirens,
    usually causes a wobble or two.

    Some drivers seem to jump on the back of a fire engine/ambulance and try
    and get 5 cars further up the queue. I doubt you will easily educate them.

    Bring back the nee-naw sirens I say! And liberally scatter carboard
    boxes around the streets for them to drive into.

  3. [email hidden] (Nick Kew)typed

    Quoted message said:

    (2) Some modern sirens are wholly inappropriate to the task.
    The ones used on both these ambulances were much harder to
    locate than the sound of an old-fashioned siren, or indeed
    a car horn. Manufacturers and NHS procurement managers need
    to use their braincells.

    I agree. They are so bad that I mananged to fool someone our 'blue
    light' had arrived by mimicking one!

    Quoted message said:

    (3) Tailgating an emergency vehicle - even firmly within the
    speed limit - is seriously dangerous. Motorists should be
    educated, and that should be backed up with prosecutions
    where appropriate.

    Tailgating *any* vehicle is seriously dangerous...

    --
    Helen D. Vecht: [email hidden]
    Edgware.

  4. Vincent Wilcox said:

    Bring back the nee-naw sirens I say! And liberally scatter carboard
    boxes around the streets for them to drive into.

    Jeremy Hardie did a priceless routine once about how fire engines were
    getting more and more camp. Back in the Dark Ages it was big brass bells,
    clang clang, plucky British chaps saving lives; then it was "nee-naw,
    nee-naw, we're putting the fire out!" (inna playground stylee) and nowadays
    it's <julian_clary>"Wooooooo! Look at the fire on that!"</julian_clary>

    Made me laugh, anyway :-)

    --
    Guy
    ===
    May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
    http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk

    Victory is ours! Down with Eric the Half A Brain!

  5. "Vincent Wilcox" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    I live on a busy main road with school and a big police station. The
    speed at which some of them travel is outrageous. They seem to think
    having the woo-woo's on is a licence to drive like Bodie & Doyle. Ive
    also come round a corner to find a police car on the wrong side of the
    road overtaking and heading for me. They do kill quite a few people and
    in some states in America they are no longer able to do Starsky &
    Hutch impersonations for this very reason.

    If one is coming towards or behind me, I get off the road altogether and
    wait on the pavement until it's all gone away.

    --
    Simon M.

  6. "Nick Kew" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    <snip>

    Quoted message said:


    This leads me to several conclusions:

    (1) While we should all allow emergency vehicles through, they need
    to help. In this instance, the second ambulance should have
    sounded its siren well in advance of filtering left while
    overtaking. Don't these drivers have training?

    Of course they have training - but they are human.
    Ideally the emergency vehicles should have blues and two's on at all times
    when on call, but residents would complain

    Quoted message said:

    (2) Some modern sirens are wholly inappropriate to the task.
    The ones used on both these ambulances were much harder to
    locate than the sound of an old-fashioned siren, or indeed
    a car horn. Manufacturers and NHS procurement managers need
    to use their braincells.

    I agree. I think though that some newer sirens have a phase where there make
    a wierd bleeping noise which is supposed to be easier to locate. I'm not
    convinced though.

    Quoted message said:

    (3) Tailgating an emergency vehicle - even firmly within the
    speed limit - is seriously dangerous. Motorists should be
    educated, and that should be backed up with prosecutions
    where appropriate.

    I don't think education is needed - surely everyone knows that tailgating
    the emergency services is stupid?

    The driver in question did what (s)he did to do one thing - jump the queue.
    This is selfish, and dangerous - worthy of dangerous driving IMHO.

  7. Just zis Guy said:


    Jeremy Hardie did a priceless routine once about how fire engines were
    getting more and more camp. Back in the Dark Ages it was big brass bells,
    clang clang, plucky British chaps saving lives; then it was "nee-naw,
    nee-naw, we're putting the fire out!" (inna playground stylee) and nowadays
    it's <julian_clary>"Wooooooo! Look at the fire on that!"</julian_clary>

    Made me laugh, anyway :-)

    Bill Bailey did a routine on one of his shows about european sirens
    versus british ones which was entertaining.

  8. Nick Kew said:

    I was cycling through the northern suburbs into Plymouth yesterday
    evening. Time, a little after 7pm for a 7:30 rehearsal of
    http://www.theatreroyal.com/showpage.php?dd=1&theid=2578

    The route takes me (more or less) past Derriford, the city (and region's)
    biggest hospital. On that stretch of road I hear an emergency vehicle
    coming up behing, siren wailing. No problem; it was wailing far enough
    in advance to assess the situation. An approaching ambulance with ample
    space to pass; no need for me to do anything.

    A minute or so later, another siren. This one was almost upon me before
    it started up, so no time to assess the situation. And I was at the
    point where my route goes straight ahead onto a flyover, but a lot of
    traffic filters off left into a slip road for a huge roundabout and
    the A38.

    I know that junction. It's not really designed for cyclists in any
    direction; there's a little cycle path under it (between the A38 and the
    flyover) which isn't really too bad.

  9. On Thu, 20 May 2004 16:11:14 +0100 someone who may be
    [email hidden] (Nick Kew) wrote this:-

    Quoted message said:

    Don't these drivers have training?

    Yes, but some of it is dangerous. For example the police driving
    manual advises them to sound their horn when coming up behind
    cyclists. Some of them are idiotic enough to do this and perhaps
    know no better.

    --
    David Hansen, Edinburgh | PGP email preferred-key number F566DA0E
    I will always explain revoked keys, unless the UK government
    prevents me using the RIP Act 2000.

  10. Helen Deborah Vecht said:

    [email hidden] (Nick Kew)typed

    Quoted message said:

    (2) Some modern sirens are wholly inappropriate to the task.
    The ones used on both these ambulances were much harder to
    locate than the sound of an old-fashioned siren, or indeed
    a car horn. Manufacturers and NHS procurement managers need
    to use their braincells.

    I agree. They are so bad that I mananged to fool someone our 'blue
    light' had arrived by mimicking one!

    I'll bet that lightened the mood of your emergency situtation.

    --
    Mark.

  11. Vincent Wilcox said:

    Fire engines IME seem to be better driven and ambulances. Obviously it
    is more imperative that they get there.

    I did once see an ambulance T-bone an ancient Cavalier outside Mile End
    station, the ambulance having gone through a red light at about sixty. I
    should imagine that took some explaining, that is, if there was anyone left
    alive to do it.

    Quoted message said:

    Some drivers seem to jump on the back of a fire engine/ambulance and
    try and get 5 cars further up the queue. I doubt you will easily
    educate them.

    Seems to be SOP for motorcycle couriers, but then they are, without
    exception, mad as badgers.

    --

    Dave Larrington - http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk/
    ===========================================================
    Editor - British Human Power Club Newsletter
    http://www.bhpc.org.uk/
    ===========================================================

  12. In article <40ad0a57.0@entanet>,

    Zog The Undeniable said:
    Quoted message said:

    point where my route goes straight ahead onto a flyover, but a lot of
    traffic filters off left into a slip road for a huge roundabout and
    the A38.

    I know that junction. It's not really designed for cyclists in any
    direction; there's a little cycle path under it (between the A38 and the
    flyover) which isn't really too bad.

    But that's a lot slower than going straight across on the A386.
    Especially (as I was doing) on the southwards/downhill direction.

    I use the underpass when I'm on foot. On the bike I sometimes use
    it (and the old tavistock road) when coming uphill, and I've tried
    it for getting onto the other city-centre road (the one via Mutley
    Plain), but that's horribly confusing.

    No, I don't find that roundabout a problem, and the slip roads are
    normally OK. OTOH a friend uses Torr Lane(sp?) to avoid it when
    driving .... As for the flyover, on the uphill direction we have
    a very ample cycle lane marked for us, too, though the worst part
    is where it dumps you in traffic merging (uphill) from the left.

    BTW, did you hear about some motorcyclist killed there last week?
    Apparently not some yoof, but a mature person, fwiw.

    --
    Nick Kew

    Nick's manifesto: http://www.htmlhelp.com/~nick/

  13. In article said:


    Seems to be SOP for motorcycle couriers, but then they are, without
    exception, mad as badgers.

    Judging by a courier I used to know, if you can actually support that
    claim it might be a strong argument for culling of badgers.

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