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  1. I saw this exchange in another newsgroup.

    Any comments?

    *********************************************

    Quoted message said:

    Lots less than I drank in my younger days, but now they say a little
    alcohol is good for you (2 a day for men, 1 for women).

    Ayup. Friend of mine from church is a pathologist. He says they never,
    *ever*
    see coronary artery disease in alcoholics -- do a post on a 70-year-old
    alcoholic, and his heart looks like a teenager's. However, the liver,
    spleen,
    kidneys, and brain are a different story.

    *************************************

  2. "Lee Michaels" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    I saw this exchange in another newsgroup.

    Any comments?

    *********************************************

    Quoted message said:

    Lots less than I drank in my younger days, but now they say a little
    alcohol is good for you (2 a day for men, 1 for women).

    Ayup. Friend of mine from church is a pathologist. He says they never,
    *ever*
    see coronary artery disease in alcoholics -- do a post on a 70-year-old
    alcoholic, and his heart looks like a teenager's. However, the liver,
    spleen,
    kidneys, and brain are a different story.

    1) I am not Elzi.
    2) The pathologist, if the story is true, which I doubt, is a blithering
    idiot.

    David

  3. "David Cohen" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:


    "Lee Michaels" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    I saw this exchange in another newsgroup.

    Any comments?

    *********************************************

    Quoted message said:

    Lots less than I drank in my younger days, but now they say a little
    alcohol is good for you (2 a day for men, 1 for women).

    Ayup. Friend of mine from church is a pathologist. He says they never,
    *ever*
    see coronary artery disease in alcoholics -- do a post on a 70-year-old
    alcoholic, and his heart looks like a teenager's. However, the liver,
    spleen,
    kidneys, and brain are a different story.

    1) I am not Elzi.
    2) The pathologist, if the story is true, which I doubt, is a blithering
    idiot.

    That is why I asked. It didn't sound right. I can't see all those organs
    being affected without some effect on the heart as well.

    As well as the fact that alcoholics engage in all kinds of unhealthy
    behavior. Which would have to affect the heart. I don't see the heart
    escaping the affects of everything else.

    It is not some kinda magic elixer that protects the heart. Even if it does
    have some kind of beneficial effects in modest quantities.

  4. David Cohen said:

    "Lee Michaels" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    I saw this exchange in another newsgroup.

    Any comments?

    *********************************************

    Quoted message said:

    Lots less than I drank in my younger days, but now they say a


    little

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    alcohol is good for you (2 a day for men, 1 for women).

    Ayup. Friend of mine from church is a pathologist. He says they


    never,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    *ever*
    see coronary artery disease in alcoholics -- do a post on a


    70-year-old

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    alcoholic, and his heart looks like a teenager's. However, the


    liver,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    spleen,
    kidneys, and brain are a different story.

    1) I am not Elzi.

    Neither am I. I'm just a cat in heat.

    Quoted message said:

    2) The pathologist, if the story is true, which I doubt, is a


    blithering

    Quoted message said:

    idiot.

    I would not say "never, ever", but in many cases the liver (especially
    the liver), kidneys and brain are the first organs to quit before the
    heart. I did see a brain from an alcoholic in which there were signs of
    progressive atherosclerosis, so I don't think her assertion is
    accurate.
    Also saw muscle biopsy (immunohistochemistry) from an alcoholic. Lots
    of fatty tissue and mitochondrial anomalies as well as atrophy.

  5. Lee Michaels said:


    "David Cohen" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:


    "Lee Michaels" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    I saw this exchange in another newsgroup.

    Any comments?

    *********************************************

    >Lots less than I drank in my younger days, but now they say a little
    >alcohol is good for you (2 a day for men, 1 for women).

    Ayup. Friend of mine from church is a pathologist. He says they never,
    *ever*
    see coronary artery disease in alcoholics -- do a post on a 70-year-old
    alcoholic, and his heart looks like a teenager's. However, the liver,
    spleen,
    kidneys, and brain are a different story.

    1) I am not Elzi.
    2) The pathologist, if the story is true, which I doubt, is a blithering
    idiot.

    That is why I asked. It didn't sound right. I can't see all those organs
    being affected without some effect on the heart as well.

    Lying [censored]!!

    Quoted message said:


    As well as the fact that alcoholics engage in all kinds of unhealthy
    behavior. Which would have to affect the heart. I don't see the heart
    escaping the affects of everything else.

    Snievellling cur!!

    Quoted message said:


    It is not some kinda magic elixer that protects the heart. Even if it does
    have some kind of beneficial effects in modest quantities.

    Wriggle wriggle!! You made a [censored] Lee, Cohen called you, and now
    you're very weak and sad!! <sigh>

  6. Lee Michaels said:

    I saw this exchange in another newsgroup.

    Any comments?

    *********************************************

    Quoted message said:

    Lots less than I drank in my younger days, but now they say a little
    alcohol is good for you (2 a day for men, 1 for women).

    Ayup. Friend of mine from church is a pathologist. He says they never,
    *ever* see coronary artery disease in alcoholics -- do a post on a 70-year-old
    alcoholic, and his heart looks like a teenager's. However, the liver,
    spleen, kidneys, and brain are a different story.


    ************************************
    My glass of Knob Creek is nothing but good!

    I'd be more interested in hearing what cardiologists have to say about
    people who drink moderately as distinct from alcoholics

    http://www.ohiohealth.com/healthreference/reference/1DAD3B4B-8B1C-4D0C-A40BEC54E580B94A.htm?category=5171

    And how about this?

    From Alternatives, Feb 2004, Vol 10, No. 8*

    Excerpts from "An Irish Coffee in Time Saves 80"

    Stroke has become the third leading cause of death in the United
    States and the most common cause of disability in adults. A stroke now
    occurs in this country every 45 seconds. It's important to know about
    every tool or technique that can be used safely to effectively limit
    stroke damage.

    Studies indicate that stroke damage can be reduced by as much as 80
    percent when an experimental drug called Caffeinol is administered
    within two hours of a stroke. This confirms earlier reports of the
    drug's effectiveness in animal studies. (Stroke 03;34:1246)

    This drug is still under investigation, but it doesn't appear to have
    any side effects. This is probably because Caffeinol is primarily a
    combi­nation of caffeine and alcohol, two of the most commonly
    consumed drugs on the planet.

    The study found that neither component on its own had the ability to
    limit the damage from a stroke, but in combination they worked very
    well. When the drug was given for two weeks prior to the stroke,
    however, its protective effects were lessened.

    Miracle in a Flask with a Cuppa Joe

    Based on the content and dosages of the drug, similar protection could
    be achieved by consuming two or three cups of strong coffee and a
    cocktail. It seems the ideal drink to have with­in two or three hours
    of the onset of a stroke would be an Irish coffee. I'm sure it would
    be far less expensive than a dose of Caffeinol. Although this may seem
    a little strange, I'm very serious about the Irish coffee. Anything
    you can do to reduce stroke damage by 80 percent, particularly after
    it has occurred, is nothing short of miraculous. I am not a coffee
    drinker, but in this case, I would make an exception. Just so you'll
    have it in one place, here are the directions for making Irish coffee
    in the event it ever becomes necessary. Obviously, the sugar and
    whipped cream would not be used in an emergency.

    Traditional Irish Coffee

    2 cups strong black coffee
    1 Tbsp. sugar
    2 oz. Irish whiskey

    Stir well; top with whipped cream.

    There are a couple of other important points from this study. Taking
    alcohol alone actually made the stroke damage worse. The alcohol has
    to be combined with caffeine. The exact dosages haven't been
    established, but what I've suggested is close enough that we know it
    works. Also, the treatment didn't appear to work as well in animals
    when they were exposed to alcohol on a daily basis. However, the daily
    consumption of caffeine didn't appear to limit the effectiveness when
    the two were given together following an induced stroke.

    Alcohol opens up blood vessels, and caffeine is known to increase
    blood flow. Both exert their effects quickly, and together they appear
    to be an excellent combination to prevent stroke damage.

    This is one technique that you must put to use immediately and
    correctly if it's going to be of any help. I think it would be a bit
    naive at this point to expect that EMS technicians or hospital and
    emergency room personnel will routinely begin to offer Irish coffee to
    suspected stroke victims. It's something you and your family will need
    to remember and be able to do quickly on your own if the need arises.

    Keep in mind that stroke symptoms are not always dramatic and sudden
    in onset. Subtle signs you should be aware of include dizziness, dim
    or blurred vision, numbness or tingling in the mouth or cheeks,
    weakness in the legs and arms, headache in the back of the head, and
    nausea and vomiting. The quicker you're able to react, the less brain
    damage will occur, and the quicker the rehabilitation should be. Even
    if you're wrong and it turns out not to be a stroke, the risks from an
    occasional Irish coffee are pretty small.

    <snip>

    * Alternatives
    Author: Dr. David Williams, Group Publisher: Glynnis Mileikowsky:
    Editor: Meg de Guzman

    ISSN# 0893-5025
    Published monthly by Mountain Home Publishing at 7811 Montrose Road,
    Potomac, MD 20854
    .. . .
    The approaches described in this newsletter are not offered as cures,
    prescriptions, diagnoses, or a means of diagnoses to different
    conditions. The author and publisher assume no responsibility in the
    correct or incorrect use of this information, and no attempt should be
    made to use any of this information as a form of treatment without the
    approval and guisance of your doctor. . .

  7. Charles said:
    Lee Michaels said:


    "David Cohen" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:


    "Lee Michaels" <[email hidden]> wrote
    >I saw this exchange in another newsgroup.
    >
    > Any comments?
    >
    > *********************************************
    >
    >>Lots less than I drank in my younger days, but now they say a little
    >>alcohol is good for you (2 a day for men, 1 for women).
    >
    > Ayup. Friend of mine from church is a pathologist. He says they never,
    > *ever*
    > see coronary artery disease in alcoholics -- do a post on a 70-year-old
    > alcoholic, and his heart looks like a teenager's. However, the liver,
    > spleen,
    > kidneys, and brain are a different story.

    1) I am not Elzi.
    2) The pathologist, if the story is true, which I doubt, is a blithering
    idiot.

    That is why I asked. It didn't sound right. I can't see all those organs
    being affected without some effect on the heart as well.

    Lying [censored]!!

    Quoted message said:


    As well as the fact that alcoholics engage in all kinds of unhealthy
    behavior. Which would have to affect the heart. I don't see the heart
    escaping the affects of everything else.

    Snievellling cur!!

    Quoted message said:


    It is not some kinda magic elixer that protects the heart. Even if it does
    have some kind of beneficial effects in modest quantities.

    Wriggle wriggle!! You made a [censored] Lee, Cohen called you, and now
    you're very weak and sad!! <sigh>

    You really don't have a clue, do you.

    ------------------------------
    Reality is an illusion created by an intelligence deficiency.

  8. "elzinator" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:
    Charles said:
    Lee Michaels said:


    "David Cohen" <[email hidden]> wrote
    >
    > "Lee Michaels" <[email hidden]> wrote
    >>I saw this exchange in another newsgroup.
    >>
    >> Any comments?
    >>
    >> *********************************************
    >>
    >>>Lots less than I drank in my younger days, but now they say a little
    >>>alcohol is good for you (2 a day for men, 1 for women).
    >>
    >> Ayup. Friend of mine from church is a pathologist. He says they never,
    >> *ever*
    >> see coronary artery disease in alcoholics -- do a post on a
    >> 70-year-old
    >> alcoholic, and his heart looks like a teenager's. However, the liver,
    >> spleen,
    >> kidneys, and brain are a different story.
    >
    > 1) I am not Elzi.
    > 2) The pathologist, if the story is true, which I doubt, is a
    > blithering
    > idiot.
    >

    That is why I asked. It didn't sound right. I can't see all those organs
    being affected without some effect on the heart as well.

    Lying [censored]!!

    Quoted message said:


    As well as the fact that alcoholics engage in all kinds of unhealthy
    behavior. Which would have to affect the heart. I don't see the heart
    escaping the affects of everything else.

    Snievellling cur!!

    Quoted message said:


    It is not some kinda magic elixer that protects the heart. Even if it
    does
    have some kind of beneficial effects in modest quantities.

    Wriggle wriggle!! You made a [censored] Lee, Cohen called you, and now
    you're very weak and sad!! <sigh>

    You really don't have a clue, do you.


    You really can't expect much from a megalomaniac alky troll.

  9. elzinator said:
    David Cohen said:

    "Lee Michaels" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    I saw this exchange in another newsgroup.

    Any comments?

    *********************************************

    > Lots less than I drank in my younger days, but now they say a
    > little alcohol is good for you (2 a day for men, 1 for women).

    Ayup. Friend of mine from church is a pathologist. He says they
    never, *ever*
    see coronary artery disease in alcoholics -- do a post on a
    70-year-old alcoholic, and his heart looks like a teenager's.
    However, the liver, spleen,
    kidneys, and brain are a different story.

    1) I am not Elzi.

    Neither am I. I'm just a cat in heat.

    Here kitty-kitty-kitty...come get your protein!
    --
    -Larry

  10. elzinator said:
    Charles said:
    Lee Michaels said:


    "David Cohen" <[email hidden]> wrote
    >
    > "Lee Michaels" <[email hidden]> wrote
    >>I saw this exchange in another newsgroup.
    >>
    >> Any comments?
    >>
    >> *********************************************
    >>
    >>>Lots less than I drank in my younger days, but now they say a little
    >>>alcohol is good for you (2 a day for men, 1 for women).
    >>
    >> Ayup. Friend of mine from church is a pathologist. He says they never,
    >> *ever*
    >> see coronary artery disease in alcoholics -- do a post on a 70-year-old
    >> alcoholic, and his heart looks like a teenager's. However, the liver,
    >> spleen,
    >> kidneys, and brain are a different story.
    >
    > 1) I am not Elzi.
    > 2) The pathologist, if the story is true, which I doubt, is a blithering
    > idiot.
    >

    That is why I asked. It didn't sound right. I can't see all those organs
    being affected without some effect on the heart as well.

    Lying [censored]!!

    Quoted message said:


    As well as the fact that alcoholics engage in all kinds of unhealthy
    behavior. Which would have to affect the heart. I don't see the heart
    escaping the affects of everything else.

    Snievellling cur!!

    Quoted message said:


    It is not some kinda magic elixer that protects the heart. Even if it does
    have some kind of beneficial effects in modest quantities.

    Wriggle wriggle!! You made a [censored] Lee, Cohen called you, and now
    you're very weak and sad!! <sigh>

    You really don't have a clue, do you.

    Not a clue Elzi darling; you quite correctly diagnose me as being as
    thick as two short planks!! ;o)

    However, given that, what does that make Mr Michaels? ........

  11. "Lee Michaels" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    "elzinator" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:
    Charles said:

    On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 15:42:03 -0500, "Lee Michaels"
    <[email hidden]> wrote:

    >
    >"David Cohen" <[email hidden]> wrote
    >>
    >> "Lee Michaels" <[email hidden]> wrote
    >>>I saw this exchange in another newsgroup.
    >>>
    >>> Any comments?
    >>>
    >>> *********************************************
    >>>
    >>>>Lots less than I drank in my younger days, but now they say a
    >>>>little alcohol is good for you (2 a day for men, 1 for women).
    >>>
    >>> Ayup. Friend of mine from church is a pathologist. He says they
    >>> never, *ever* see coronary artery disease in alcoholics -- do a
    >>> post on a 70-year-old alcoholic, and his heart looks like a
    >>> teenager's. However, the liver, spleen, kidneys, and brain are a
    >>> different story.
    >>
    >> 1) I am not Elzi.
    >> 2) The pathologist, if the story is true, which I doubt, is a
    >> blithering idiot.
    >>
    >
    >That is why I asked. It didn't sound right. I can't see all those
    >organs being affected without some effect on the heart as well.

    Lying [censored]!!

    >
    >As well as the fact that alcoholics engage in all kinds of unhealthy
    >behavior. Which would have to affect the heart. I don't see the
    >heart escaping the affects of everything else.

    Snievellling cur!!

    >
    >It is not some kinda magic elixer that protects the heart. Even if it
    >does have some kind of beneficial effects in modest quantities.

    Wriggle wriggle!! You made a [censored] Lee, Cohen called you, and now
    you're very weak and sad!! <sigh>

    You really don't have a clue, do you.


    You really can't expect much from a megalomaniac alky troll.

    He raises not having a clue to an art form.

    Hugh

    --
    Run like hell and let the clowns deal with the bull.

  12. Hugh Beyer said:

    "Lee Michaels" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    "elzinator" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 00:14:18 +0000, Charles wrote:
    >On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 15:42:03 -0500, "Lee Michaels"
    ><[email hidden]> wrote:
    >
    >>
    >>"David Cohen" <[email hidden]> wrote
    >>>
    >>> "Lee Michaels" <[email hidden]> wrote
    >>>>I saw this exchange in another newsgroup.
    >>>>
    >>>> Any comments?
    >>>>
    >>>> *********************************************
    >>>>
    >>>>>Lots less than I drank in my younger days, but now they say a
    >>>>>little alcohol is good for you (2 a day for men, 1 for women).
    >>>>
    >>>> Ayup. Friend of mine from church is a pathologist. He says they
    >>>> never, *ever* see coronary artery disease in alcoholics -- do a
    >>>> post on a 70-year-old alcoholic, and his heart looks like a
    >>>> teenager's. However, the liver, spleen, kidneys, and brain are a
    >>>> different story.
    >>>
    >>> 1) I am not Elzi.
    >>> 2) The pathologist, if the story is true, which I doubt, is a
    >>> blithering idiot.
    >>>
    >>
    >>That is why I asked. It didn't sound right. I can't see all those
    >>organs being affected without some effect on the heart as well.
    >
    >Lying [censored]!!
    >
    >>
    >>As well as the fact that alcoholics engage in all kinds of unhealthy
    >>behavior. Which would have to affect the heart. I don't see the
    >>heart escaping the affects of everything else.
    >
    >Snievellling cur!!
    >
    >>
    >>It is not some kinda magic elixer that protects the heart. Even if it
    >>does have some kind of beneficial effects in modest quantities.
    >
    >Wriggle wriggle!! You made a [censored] Lee, Cohen called you, and now
    >you're very weak and sad!! <sigh>

    You really don't have a clue, do you.


    You really can't expect much from a megalomaniac alky troll.

    He raises not having a clue to an art form.

    That is so sophisticated Hugh, and will give the impression that you
    are in the know.

    However, how about you telling us what this is all about, so that we
    all know that you haven't taken the bait, which has, as usual, been
    cast lightly upon the water!!

    ;o)

  13. DZ said:
    Charles said:
    Hugh Beyer said:

    "Lee Michaels" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    > "elzinator" <[email hidden]> wrote
    >>>Wriggle wriggle!! You made a [censored] Lee, Cohen called you, and now
    >>>you're very weak and sad!! <sigh>
    >>
    >> You really don't have a clue, do you.
    >>
    > You really can't expect much from a megalomaniac alky troll.
    >

    He raises not having a clue to an art form.

    That is so sophisticated Hugh, and will give the impression that you
    are in the know.

    However, how about you telling us what this is all about, so that we
    all know that you haven't taken the bait, which has, as usual, been
    cast lightly upon the water!!

    I killfiled Charles long ago and the camel he rode in on.

    But then you are a very wise person comrade, being a sort of deer
    Russian person, perhaps better known as Vlad the Impala!! ;o)

  14. DZ said:
    Charles said:
    Hugh Beyer said:

    "Lee Michaels" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    > "elzinator" <[email hidden]> wrote
    >>>Wriggle wriggle!! You made a [censored] Lee, Cohen called you, and now
    >>>you're very weak and sad!! <sigh>
    >>
    >> You really don't have a clue, do you.
    >>
    > You really can't expect much from a megalomaniac alky troll.
    >

    He raises not having a clue to an art form.

    That is so sophisticated Hugh, and will give the impression that you
    are in the know.

    However, how about you telling us what this is all about, so that we
    all know that you haven't taken the bait, which has, as usual, been
    cast lightly upon the water!!

    I killfiled Charles long ago and the camel he rode in on.

    Despite all his rage he's still just a rat in a cage.....

    (borrowed from Smashing Pumpkins)

    ------------------------------
    Reality is an illusion created by an intelligence deficiency.

  15. DZ said:
    Charles said:
    DZ said:

    Charles <[email hidden]> wrote:
    > However, how about you telling us what this is all about, so that we
    > all know that you haven't taken the bait, which has, as usual, been
    > cast lightly upon the water!!

    I killfiled Charles long ago and the camel he rode in on.

    But then you are a very wise person comrade, being a sort of deer
    Russian person, perhaps better known as Vlad the Impala!! ;o)

    How come I'm reading this?

    Because you are bilingual at least, which makes you much smarter than
    the average "killfiler"!!

    Quoted message said:

    I thought we agreed: Absolutely no peaking
    from my killfiles!

    I "peaked" a long time ago Vlad, but I can't promise not to 'peek'
    from time to time, given that I am said to reside in so many
    "killfiles", while the reverse appears to be true!!

    I have adapted my own series of "killfiling" tactics, which makes me
    as elusive as a Will o' the wisp. I have named this activity Plonking
    by Proxy, which loosely translated means that you can if you don't
    want to [be "killfiled" that is], which is similar to the skills of
    American Indian tribesmen when securing their 'touches'!!

    I bid you Good Day, Sir - there is much to be done!!

  16. elzinator said:
    DZ said:
    Charles said:

    Hugh Beyer <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >"Lee Michaels" <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >> "elzinator" <[email hidden]> wrote
    >>>>Wriggle wriggle!! You made a [censored] Lee, Cohen called you, and now
    >>>>you're very weak and sad!! <sigh>
    >>>
    >>> You really don't have a clue, do you.
    >>>
    >> You really can't expect much from a megalomaniac alky troll.
    >>
    >
    >He raises not having a clue to an art form.

    That is so sophisticated Hugh, and will give the impression that you
    are in the know.

    However, how about you telling us what this is all about, so that we
    all know that you haven't taken the bait, which has, as usual, been
    cast lightly upon the water!!

    I killfiled Charles long ago and the camel he rode in on.

    Despite all his rage he's still just a rat in a cage.....

    Aren't we all!!

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