Elidir Fawr

John said:

Welsh 3000's

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Earlier in the attempt (whilst we were on Crib Goch), I
noticed a path heading up towards the Glyders from behind
Pen-y-Pass YHA. It isn't shown on any maps that I've seen,

You must have been looking at some funny maps. It is there
plain as day on the OS 1:50k and 1:25k leading from the YHA
to Glyder Fawr.
--
Phil Cook looking north over the park to the
"Westminster Gasworks"
95/284 5/219 c.100/300 (>900m with drop>100m )

On 28 Jun 2004 06:34:49 -0700, [email hidden] (John)

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Hi,

Having just been nearly blown off Elidir Fawr this weekend
whilst trying to complete the Welsh 3000's, I was wondering
whether there was a better route (we basically went from
Nant Peris straight up the side
- 2800 ft of climb - hard work and demoralising in the
conditions).

Boy! It was windy on Saturday.

We had planned to walk the Carneddau and Tryfan on Saturday,
and the Glyders and Snowdon on Sunday.

We didn't get very far...

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Having just been nearly blown off Elidir Fawr this weekend
whilst trying to complete the Welsh 3000's, I was
wondering whether there was a better route (we basically
went from Nant Peris straight up the side
- 2800 ft of climb - hard work and demoralising in the
conditions).

It is a long long time since I attempted the Welsh 3000s and
back then the variety of PROWs that now head up from Nant
Peris were not conspicuous on the map and I always followed
the road that starts at 606584 and continued on that line to
the footbridge at 604592 before heading straight for the
summit. On an early (failed) attempt it took me all of 4
hours to get from Nant Peris to the summit of Elidir Fawr.
BTW ISTM that the ascent comes in at about 2680 ft.

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Earlier in the attempt (whilst we were on Crib Goch), I
noticed a path heading up towards the Glyders from behind
Pen-y-Pass YHA. It isn't shown on any maps that I've
seen, and I couldn't trace its route further up the
mountains, but it set me wondering wheher, rather than
descend all the way to Nant Peris, it was possible to get
Elidir Fawr by getting up to the col between Y Garn and
the Glyders from Pen-y-Pass and then traversing round and
back. Wouldn't save much distance, but would reduce the
climbing ...

I wasted a good deal of time back in 1970ish looking for the
supposed 'High Level Traverse' from Pen-y-pass. I eventually
came to the conclusion that it was a myth.

--
Roger Chapman so far this year 34 summits New - 18 (Marilyns
6, Sweats 1, Outlying Fells 11) Repeats - 16( Marilyns 5,
Sweats 11, Wainwrights 11) Knackered knee - 4 times

On 28/6/04 2:34 pm, in article
[email hidden], "John"

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Earlier in the attempt (whilst we were on Crib Goch), I
noticed a path heading up towards the Glyders from behind
Pen-y-Pass YHA. It isn't shown on any maps that I've
seen, and I couldn't trace its route further up the
mountains, but it set me wondering wheher, rather than
descend all the way to Nant Peris, it was possible to get
Elidir Fawr by getting up to the col between Y Garn and
the Glyders from Pen-y-Pass and then traversing round and
back. Wouldn't save much distance, but would reduce the
climbing ...

Yep. This route isn't on the Harvey's maps for some reason.
This is my preferred way up from Nant. Take the bus up to
the YHA, up this path and the back down the path to the
campsite although Elidir Fawr always seems to be a bit
exposed to me. The Pass path isn't as steep on the way up!

--
Andy Howell Birmingham, UK

ecotrend.org.ukecotrend.org.ukOpen ↗

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<[email hidden]>, Phil Cook
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You must have been looking at some funny maps. It is there
plain as day on the OS 1:50k and 1:25k leading from the YHA
to Glyder Fawr.

Perhaps the OP has some old maps.

The path is not marked on my 1:25k (1983 vintage), nor on my
1974 1:50k second series (price 65p complete with symbol in
Colwyn Bay = Here be dragons).

The path has put in an appearance on the 1:50k by
1989, however.
--

Russ Clare

"Roger" <[email hidden]> wrote

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I wasted a good deal of time back in 1970ish looking for
the supposed 'High Level Traverse' from Pen-y-pass. I
eventually came to the conclusion that it was a myth.

Do you mean from Pen-y-pass to the top of Dinas
Mot/bottom of Crib Goch North Ridge or something else on
the Glyders side?

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"Roger" <[email hidden]> wrote

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I wasted a good deal of time back in 1970ish looking for
the supposed 'High Level Traverse' from Pen-y-pass. I
eventually came to the conclusion that it was a myth.

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Do you mean from Pen-y-pass to the top of Dinas
Mot/bottom of Crib Goch North Ridge or something else on
the Glyders side?

From Pen-y-pass to Elider Fawr. Potential for saving about
1000 feet of ascent but not (IMO) a practical route.

--
Roger Chapman so far this year 34 summits New - 18 (Marilyns
6, Sweats 1, Outlying Fells 11) Repeats - 16( Marilyns 5,
Sweats 11, Wainwrights 11) Knackered knee - 4 times

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<[email hidden]>, Phil Cook
<u-r- [email hidden]> writes

Quoted message said:

You must have been looking at some funny maps. It is
there plain as day on the OS 1:50k and 1:25k leading from
the YHA to Glyder Fawr.

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Perhaps the OP has some old maps.

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The path is not marked on my 1:25k (1983 vintage), nor on
my 1974 1:50k second series (price 65p complete with
symbol in Colwyn Bay = Here be dragons).

The Caernarvon and Bangor Second Series was a bit of a
fraud(to say the least). "Derivation of contours - from one-
inch to one mile seventh series maps".

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The path has put in an appearance on the 1:50k by 1989,
however.

Maybe in 1986. One cannot always trust the OS (see above)
but the small print on the Landranger says "Revised 1986,
Reprinted with selected changes 1987, 1989.

FWIW I can't actually recall any such path back in the mid
60s when we used to wild camp by Llyn Cmffynnon prior to
Welsh 3000s attempts. At that time the YHA was still a
rather dreary hotel so the path itself could postdate the
conversion to YHA.

--
Roger Chapman so far this year 34 summits New - 18 (Marilyns
6, Sweats 1, Outlying Fells 11) Repeats - 16( Marilyns 5,
Sweats 11, Wainwrights 11) Knackered knee - 4 times