Electronic Evesdropping

Wurm said:

9/11 showed that their were people in the U.S. government - namely the Bush Administration - that had the desire, money, and know-how to aid and abet an attack of that magnitude.

Posts such as these are idiotic at best. You make the statment that there are people.......
"that had the desire, money, and know-how to aid and abet an attack
of that magnitude."
Are you implying that these people did participate in 9/11 ?

Or are you implying that there are people......
" that had the desire, money, and know-how to aid and abet an
attack of that magnitude? "

There is a difference.

***If you are implying the first version you need to back your
statement with your source for this information. If you are unable
to show sources with credability then you must think people are
gullible. Idiotic behavior.

*** The second statement is a little hard to prove that there are people
out there that have the "know how" to pull something like this off.
But you seem to have sources that can back your claims. If you
are unable to do so , then we must assume that you are practicing
behavior that is consistent with nutcases and idiots.
I'm betting on the latter.

wolfix said:

Are you implying that these people did participate in 9/11 ?

I'm not implying anything. I'm stating flat out that, yes, BushCo DID aid & abet the 9/11 attacks. They had foreknowledge of the impending attacks, and were running several military air war games at the time in order to confuse and complicate the east coast radar systems at the time. This along with many other "coincidences" gives a prima facie case of their complicity.

[censored]-less Cheney was in charge of these maneuvers. Link

There is also hundreds of pages (over 600 I believe) of factual evidence compiled in Ruppert's book, "Crossing the Rubicon". You should go to your local library and pick it up. You may be quite disappointed with what your heroes have been up to for the past several years.

But of course, you'll only sit behind your keyboard and toss out derogatory accusations and epithets trying to discredit anyone who has researched the criminal machinations of the Neo Cons/Bushco, instead of working to find out the truth wherever it may lead.

Wurm said:

Can you show how the gov't is not listening to/checking all of our calls and e-mail? According to Preznit Chimpenfuhrer, "his" gov't will do whatever they feel they 'need to do' to catch the evul terrists. The problem is, the arrogant [censored] does not have the right given to him to decide that.

So let's stop [censored]-footing around with phony nuance and convenient interpretation, because as always, you are casually sidestepping the one crucial and inescapable fact that:

BushCo is breaking the law as set down by the Founding Fathers in the U.S. Constitution.

PERIOD.

The ONLY way to change that law is for super-majorities in Congress, and then in the State's legislatures. Bush/Cheney/Rove/DoD/NSA/FBI/HS DO NOT have that power unto themselves. - not even if there had been 100 9/11's or nuclear devices set off in the U.S. since Jan. 20, 2001.

THIS is what you easily-led Repiggers have thrown out the window merely to fawn and fetch for your usurping leaders, and THAT sir is equivalent to suborning treason and sedition.

Now, why don't you stay in the present tense - such as discussing that which is relevant on this matter today, which is not the usual Repig supporter's canard about Clinton or Carter, but is about the illegalities of BushCo policies?

Every member of congress breaks the law every day based on this. They all took an oath to serve and protect the citizens of the United States yet the border is still there wide open. Just one example of how many in congress are there not for the people but for the power. All it would take would military air reconnaissance with ground troops and 18 sniper teams. Will have it closed in 10 months. If we stand up for ourselves and didn’t cower to the few that would be offended. This used to be a country ruled by democracy and now we are letting it be ruled by the offended few.

unicos said:

This used to be a country ruled by democracy and now we are letting it be ruled by the offended few.

This country stopped resembling anything close to democracy the day that Chimpenfuhrer took the Oath of Office in Jan. 2001.

The "offended few" that that run roughshod over the people's will as well as the U.S Constitution - that would be BushCo and their Repig enablers in Congress.

The fact of the matter is: many business owners and Repig pols want illegal Latino immigrants in this country, so as to keep labor costs as low as possible and thus their profit margins as high as possible. ie: "illegal's" are nothing but slave labor for the owners of the means of production; meanwhile, these pukes are laughing all the way to the bank.

9-11 is considered a fair game mantra for perpetrating us political and military actions in the name corporate interest and you know it, wave the flag of lame partisanship all you want.

law is about precedence, what did not fly for nixon holds today, no matter what permutation of legality is said to cover the asses of those involved today.

as for big gov't/big biz, it is clear which party is responsible, or, accountable, i should say in this gross squandering today.

when you mention ideology, the tried and true must then include crimes resulting in up to and including corpses of the innocent and corporate profits over the well being of humanity.

if i am to be called an idealist, do not confuse me with this bastardized version.

onna brighter note for you, your best boy cheney got a refund of 1mil and change,
he was in the 7% bracket...nice to know those at the top can be rewarded for all their afformentioned tried 'n true accountability.

wolfix said:

9/11 did change things.
You refrenced to Nixon's 1972 evesdroppping earlier..... This has nothing to do with the topic. Nixon's evesdropping was done to citizens in a non-security risk to the country. Maybe a security risk to Nixon , but not to the nations security.

Not at all. One of the item's on the conservative platform is a strong national defense w/accountibility...... Accountibility being the key word to most conservative thought. Most conservatives do not deal in philosophical idealogy but in the tried and true.

Hypnospin said:

9-11 is considered a fair game mantra for perpetrating us political and military actions in the name corporate interest and you know it, wave the flag of lame partisanship all you want.

If that is what 9/11 means to you then that tells me you have not seen the damage or knew anyone involved. 9/11 means that America no longer has the convenience of knowing terrorist attacks cannot happen here on our soil. 9/11 is a symbol of what happens when security is not being enforced.

Hypnospin said:

law is about precedence, what did not fly for nixon holds today, no matter what permutation of legality is said to cover the asses of those involved today.

If you understand law is about precedence then you must understand that what you followed that statement with has nothing to do with the bill being discussed here. Nixons situation had no bearing on the "evesdropping bill" being discussed here. That situation had nothing to do with national security of foreign nationals.

Hypnospin said:

nna brighter note for you, your best boy cheney got a refund of 1mil and change,
he was in the 7% bracket...nice to know those at the top can be rewarded for all their afformentioned tried 'n true accountability.

Good for him. Do you want your leaders to be unsuccesful in life? This is America. We pay well for success.

Hypnospin said:

onna brighter note for you, your best boy cheney got a refund of 1mil and change,
he was in the 7% bracket...nice to know those at the top can be rewarded for all their afformentioned tried 'n true accountability.

Before you post, you should research. Especially if you get your info from the liberal press.
You probably read the headlines of your newspaper and and it screamed "Cheney Gets $ 1 Million Dollor Refund !" Then you posted on here in order to show Cheney is a greedy man.
The truth is that the Cheneys also donated $6.87 million to charity last year.That left them an income of about 1.9 million in which they paid about 25% in taxes. They had overpaid throughout the year to get the 1.9 million refund.

....probably because The [censored]-less One had so much windfall from Halliburton.

Now, maybe you can 'splain where all of those unaccounted-for billions to Iraq went.