eggs for breakfast - x posted

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Delboy said:

Any comments from anybody out there?

My last bloods were Total cholesterol 4.8 (U.K. units), HDL 1.26, HbA1c
6.5. (hoping to improve in 6 months) I am on 48u Lantus (taken in one shot
on rising) + 3x500mg Metformin; plus various blood pressure meds and
pravastatin
It is advised in the U.K. to restrict eggs to 2 per week, half fat cheese
in moderation, "normal" sausage/bacon not recommended. You probably get my
drift.
I find ANY carb at breakfast (e.g. 1 slice home made whole meal bread with
extra fibre or 1/4 to 1/3 cup whole grain cereal) pushes me up from bg low
to mid 5s (U.K. units again) to High 7s to 8s 2 hr post pran, even after
heavy exercise in the gym, so heaven knows what my 1 hr bg is.
What CAN I breakfast on? Turkey rashers, tomatoes, mushrooms get a bit
tedious. Might try a mixed fruit smoothie. Any more suggestions? Any benefit
from splitting my Lantus to 2x24u 12 hr apart? What do the experts out there
say?

The prohibition against eggs was based on the faulty assumption (yes,
assumption, not conclusion) that dietary cholesterol had a direct effect
on serum cholesterol. We now know that that is not the case. In most
people, only about 20% of serum cholesterol can be attributed to the
level of dietary cholesterol. It always takes a while for current
science to filter up to the level where nationwide recommendations are
broadcast.

Have some eggs!

Priscilla
--
"Inside every older person is a younger person -- wondering what
the hell happened." -- Cora Harvey Armstrong

Hi Delboy,
I can not comment on the Lantus because I'm not using it. I, however,
would like to suggest something about the diet. If you are sensitive
about eggs, you might want to try cottage cheese, broccoli, vegetarian
sausage (mostly made out of soy product), tofu (if you like that
stuff), etc. I don't know how many gram of carb in your home made bread
and you might want to skeep that if you're still working to stabilize
your glucose number. I don't think a smoothie is a good thing because
you miss the fiber. You also need to watchout on tomato for its carb.
Have you experimented taking vinegar before meal ? Take care.

I'm still experimenting with my breakfast; I, too used heavy-carb foods
like bran cereal for breakfast, but can't any more. As Priscilla said,
eggs are no the Bad Things they were once thought, and certainly better
than sending your bg so high. I made 3 eggs and two slices of ham into
a scramble this morning with 1 tablespoon skim milk. I cooked in 1
teaspoon vegetable extract butter substitutes that are around - mine is
called Take Control. I ate 2/3 of the egg mix, my husband ate the rest
and some cereal as well.

Of course I forgot to test at one hour (I'm buying a kitchen timer for
home and for work that I can set when I finish eating) but at 2 hrs my
reading was 123. I don't think that's good enough - I probably need to
be on meds and will probably be seeing an endo in a few weeks; first I
have to see my primary care doctor, but I could not get an appt. with
her until Oct.8. Who knows when I'll actually get an appt. with the
only endo in the clinic.

Susan Adair

Quoted message said:

Of course I forgot to test at one hour (I'm buying a kitchen timer for
home and for work that I can set when I finish eating) but at 2 hrs my
reading was 123. I don't think that's good enough -

I make that 6.8 in my money - not that bad for 2 hrs PP surely?

Later

Fred

Fred, I want to get closer to normal; I am working on tight control,
and would prefer at this point that being around 120 is a 1-hour level.
I rather expected that, since this is a very low-carb meal., but I
forgot to test at 1 hour. It seems to me if I'm at 120 at 2 hours
after eating the 1 hour level had to be greater. I suspect my second
insulin kick is getting lower; I know I have had a lower first level of
insuline for some time.

Susan Adair

Delboy wrote in message ...

Quoted message said:

Any comments from anybody out there?
. . .(snip). . . Any benefit
from splitting my Lantus to 2x24u 12 hr apart? What do the experts out

there

Quoted message said:

say?

--
Delboy T2 for 7 years

Some people must split their Lantus into two equal shots because they
experience "Basal Fade" if they try to make do with only one shot per day.

Basal Fade occurs when:

a. You are a "fast" absorber and your Lantus shot "wears off" in less
than 24 hours.
b. There is no other source of insulin dribbling into your blood
c. If you are T1, your bG will suddenly and mysteriously spike to 18
mmol/L and more

If you are T2, it's a massive YMMV situation. Your sugars might
spontaneously rise; your FbG might go up, you might not even notice.

Splitting the shot won't do much of anything for "slow" absorbers (some
folks need 34+ hours for a Lantus shot to "wear off"😉

Lantus is a basal and is mostly aimed at basal metabolism and FbG. You
shouldn't count on it for helping with after-meal-bG though, of course,
every little bit helps. (but it probably would only help a "little bit"😉

Regards
Old Al

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Fred Fragger said:

Quoted message said:

Of course I forgot to test at one hour (I'm buying a kitchen timer for
home and for work that I can set when I finish eating) but at 2 hrs my
reading was 123. I don't think that's good enough -

I make that 6.8 in my money - not that bad for 2 hrs PP surely?

It's just a shade over the max I like to allow at 2 hrs PP.

Priscilla
--
"Inside every older person is a younger person -- wondering what
the hell happened." -- Cora Harvey Armstrong

In article <[email hidden]>,

Fred Fragger said:

Quoted message said:

Of course I forgot to test at one hour (I'm buying a kitchen timer for
home and for work that I can set when I finish eating) but at 2 hrs my
reading was 123. I don't think that's good enough -

I make that 6.8 in my money - not that bad for 2 hrs PP surely?

Later

Fred

No, that's too high.
At 2 hours it should be back below 100.
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

x-posting left in on purpose

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
| In article <[email hidden]>,
| "Fred Fragger" <[email hidden]> wrote:
|
| > > Of course I forgot to test at one hour (I'm buying a kitchen timer for
| > > home and for work that I can set when I finish eating) but at 2 hrs
my
| > > reading was 123. I don't think that's good enough -
| >
| > I make that 6.8 in my money - not that bad for 2 hrs PP surely?
| >
| > Later
| >
| > Fred
| >
| >
|
| No, that's too high.
| At 2 hours it should be back below 100.
| --
| Om.
|
| "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack
Nicholson

really? says who? when xposting, one must remember that there are young
newly diagnosed Type 1 diabetics who can read these posts. Some are very
impressionable and yet do not understand the major difference between Type 1
and Type 2 Diabetes.

I, myself am a Type 1... and if I were under 100 at 2hrs I'd be swaying into
the walls by the 3rd hour. Posters need to learn to fully state who they
are talking too and which type.

----
RK, T1/pumper/Animas IR1250

In article <[email hidden]>,

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Fred Fragger said:

Quoted message said:

Of course I forgot to test at one hour (I'm buying a kitchen timer for
home and for work that I can set when I finish eating) but at 2 hrs my
reading was 123. I don't think that's good enough -

I make that 6.8 in my money - not that bad for 2 hrs PP surely?

No, that's too high.
At 2 hours it should be back below 100.

Huh? By whose goals?

Priscilla
--
"Inside every older person is a younger person -- wondering what
the hell happened." -- Cora Harvey Armstrong

In article <[email hidden]>,

RK said:

x-posting left in on purpose

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
| In article <[email hidden]>,
| "Fred Fragger" <[email hidden]> wrote:
|
| > > Of course I forgot to test at one hour (I'm buying a kitchen timer for
| > > home and for work that I can set when I finish eating) but at 2 hrs
my
| > > reading was 123. I don't think that's good enough -
| >
| > I make that 6.8 in my money - not that bad for 2 hrs PP surely?
| >
| > Later
| >
| > Fred
| >
| >
|
| No, that's too high.
| At 2 hours it should be back below 100.
| --
| Om.
|
| "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack
Nicholson

really? says who? when xposting, one must remember that there are young
newly diagnosed Type 1 diabetics who can read these posts. Some are very
impressionable and yet do not understand the major difference between Type 1
and Type 2 Diabetes.

I, myself am a Type 1... and if I were under 100 at 2hrs I'd be swaying into
the walls by the 3rd hour. Posters need to learn to fully state who they
are talking too and which type.

Sorry, I'm used to dealing with type 2. ;-)

Cheers!
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

In article <[email hidden]>,

Priscilla Ballou said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Fred Fragger said:

> Of course I forgot to test at one hour (I'm buying a kitchen timer for
> home and for work that I can set when I finish eating) but at 2 hrs my
> reading was 123. I don't think that's good enough -

I make that 6.8 in my money - not that bad for 2 hrs PP surely?

No, that's too high.
At 2 hours it should be back below 100.

Huh? By whose goals?

Priscilla

I'm generally back at 90 within 1 hour, and stay there.

But, I'm borderline type 2 which is why I'm on Metformin.

Cheers and sorry!
I was not paying attention to the cross-posting.

Please remove asdl-c from your postings!
We are not all diabetics just because we chooose to follow a low carb
diet.
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

"Priscilla Ballou" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

The prohibition against eggs was based on the faulty assumption (yes,
assumption, not conclusion) that dietary cholesterol had a direct effect
on serum cholesterol. We now know that that is not the case. In most
people, only about 20% of serum cholesterol can be attributed to the
level of dietary cholesterol. It always takes a while for current
science to filter up to the level where nationwide recommendations are
broadcast.

Also, we've got to eat *something*. After low-salt, low-fat, low-proteiin
(old kidney advice), low-carb (modern Atkins diet stuff), modern farming
(low bug conent), organic farming (low pesticides, etc., etc., etc. there's
not much left to live on.

Oddly, the only diet that seems to have survived well is Hippocrates
original medical advice to diabetics from millennia ago, when he first
described the disease and diagnosed it by tasting the urine. "Olive oil."

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OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

RK said:

x-posting left in on purpose

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
| In article <[email hidden]>,
| "Fred Fragger" <[email hidden]> wrote:
|
| > > Of course I forgot to test at one hour (I'm buying a kitchen timer
| > > for
| > > home and for work that I can set when I finish eating) but at 2 hrs
my
| > > reading was 123. I don't think that's good enough -
| >
| > I make that 6.8 in my money - not that bad for 2 hrs PP surely?
| >
| > Later
| >
| > Fred
| >
| >
|
| No, that's too high.
| At 2 hours it should be back below 100.
| --
| Om.
|
| "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack
Nicholson

really? says who? when xposting, one must remember that there are young
newly diagnosed Type 1 diabetics who can read these posts. Some are very
impressionable and yet do not understand the major difference between Type
1
and Type 2 Diabetes.

I, myself am a Type 1... and if I were under 100 at 2hrs I'd be swaying
into
the walls by the 3rd hour. Posters need to learn to fully state who they
are talking too and which type.

Sorry, I'm used to dealing with type 2. ;-)

I'm type 2, too, and the goals that I see and try to adhere to are <140
at one hour and <120 at two hours. I've never seen a stated goal of
<100 at 2 hours!

Priscilla
--
"Inside every older person is a younger person -- wondering what
the hell happened." -- Cora Harvey Armstrong

1Delboy said:

Any comments from anybody out there?

My last bloods were Total cholesterol 4.8 (U.K. units), HDL 1.26, HbA1c
6.5. (hoping to improve in 6 months) I am on 48u Lantus (taken in one shot
on rising) + 3x500mg Metformin; plus various blood pressure meds and
pravastatin
It is advised in the U.K. to restrict eggs to 2 per week,

eggs are a good food (satiating!) and have minimal impact on
one's b/g, provided you poach/boil them (1st choice) or cook
them in a high smoke point fat (olive oil is medium smoke
point and takes extra time, whereas most so-called "good"
vegetable oils are low smoke point

afaik, the main problem with "bad" fats has been so
totally misunderstood this past 100 years that it is
going to take at least another 20+ years before it
gets straightened out (science *does* get in right
in the long term (but often not in the short term))

see: www.westonaprice.org/sitemap.html
(especially the Know Your Fats subhead)

Quoted message said:

half fat cheese
in moderation, "normal" sausage/bacon not recommended.

see above

Quoted message said:

You probably get my drift.
I find ANY carb at breakfast (e.g. 1 slice home made whole meal bread with
extra fibre or 1/4 to 1/3 cup whole grain cereal) pushes me up from bg low
to mid 5s (U.K. units again) to High 7s to 8s 2 hr post pran, even after
heavy exercise in the gym, so heaven knows what my 1 hr bg is.
What CAN I breakfast on? Turkey rashers, tomatoes, mushrooms get a bit
tedious. Might try a mixed fruit smoothie. Any more suggestions? Any benefit
from splitting my Lantus to 2x24u 12 hr apart? What do the experts out there
say?
--
Delboy T2 for 7 years >

i've got my basal insulin close to my basal needs

i only use two meds: injected insulin and oral thyroid hormone

i take my oral thyroid pills upon rising and *NEVER* eat
anything solid in the morning (a teaspoon of frozen OJ
when my rising b/g is low)

i make use of raw nuts (NOT processed: right in there with
REAL vegetables and friuts imo) it the late morning if my
b/g is still a bit low in the late morning/noon time frame

bill t1 since '57, ex 8-yr pumper, pork/beef-L 2x, simple MDI

On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 14:46:32 -0500, willbill <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

eggs are a good food (satiating!) and have minimal impact on
one's b/g, provided you poach/boil them (1st choice) or cook
them in a high smoke point fat (olive oil is medium smoke
point and takes extra time, whereas most so-called "good"
vegetable oils are low smoke point

Maybe I'm missing something here, but why would eggs be better for you
poached/boiled than scrambled??? I scramble mine as I can't stand them
poached or boiled, and I use no cooking fat.

Chris J. said:

On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 14:46:32 -0500, willbill <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

eggs are a good food (satiating!) and have minimal impact on
one's b/g, provided you poach/boil them (1st choice) or cook
them in a high smoke point fat (olive oil is medium smoke
point and takes extra time, whereas most so-called "good"
vegetable oils are low smoke point

Maybe I'm missing something here, but why would eggs be better for you
poached/boiled than scrambled??? I scramble mine as I can't stand them
poached or boiled, and I use no cooking fat.

I cook mine in all sorts of different ways for variety.
Poached, scrambled, omelettes, frittatas, fried (in olive
oil, or a light spray of canola, or a smear of butter),
soft-boiled, hard-boiled in salads etc etc.

The only thing that has any effect on my BGs is the foods I
add to the eggs, not the eggs themselves or the method of
cooking. Nor has my ration of an egg a day had any effect on
my lipids.

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
--
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.

Alan S said:

Chris J. said:

On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 14:46:32 -0500, willbill <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

eggs are a good food (satiating!) and have minimal impact on
one's b/g, provided you poach/boil them (1st choice) or cook
them in a high smoke point fat (olive oil is medium smoke
point and takes extra time, whereas most so-called "good"
vegetable oils are low smoke point

Maybe I'm missing something here, but why would eggs be better for you
poached/boiled than scrambled??? I scramble mine as I can't stand them
poached or boiled, and I use no cooking fat.

I cook mine in all sorts of different ways for variety.
Poached, scrambled, omelettes, frittatas, fried (in olive
oil, or a light spray of canola, or a smear of butter),
soft-boiled, hard-boiled in salads etc etc.

The only thing that has any effect on my BGs is the foods I
add to the eggs, not the eggs themselves or the method of
cooking. Nor has my ration of an egg a day had any effect on
my lipids.

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.

Hi, Alan!!

I used to love eggs scrambled with a touch of butter, but I'm calorie
counting right now. I will give it a try with olive oil, though!

I love frittatas, and that's something I'll definitely have again once
off the diet.

Chris J. said:

Quoted message said:

I cook mine in all sorts of different ways for variety.
Poached, scrambled, omelettes, frittatas, fried (in olive
oil, or a light spray of canola, or a smear of butter),
soft-boiled, hard-boiled in salads etc etc.

The only thing that has any effect on my BGs is the foods I
add to the eggs, not the eggs themselves or the method of
cooking. Nor has my ration of an egg a day had any effect on
my lipids.

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.

Hi, Alan!!

I used to love eggs scrambled with a touch of butter, but I'm calorie
counting right now. I will give it a try with olive oil, though!

I love frittatas, and that's something I'll definitely have again once
off the diet.

Hi Chris. Just keeping in touch via asd.uk. Off the diet?
Eggs aren't specifically fattening - it's all about portion
control. Same with frittatas - I don't add cream and I'm
easy on the cheese.

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
--
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.