General fitness, health and nutrition · Public discussion

Eggs and blood cholesterol

Started by Enrico C · · Last activity · 9 posts · 609 views

Thread navigation

Jump through the discussion

Go to the original post, the replies on this page, or the latest preserved contribution.

Thread details

What we know about this thread

Original section
General fitness, health and nutrition
Published
7 April 2005
Last activity
9 April 2005
Original author
Enrico C
Posts
9
Discussion status
Public discussion
Total views
609
Views / 30 days
0

The navigation and discussion metadata provide context. Posts remain in their original chronological order.

Showing posts 1–9 of 9
Posts remain in their original chronological order.

Text size
  1. What do you think of this?

    http://www.fuelforlife.ca/modules/sections/index.php?op=viewarticle&artid=50

    ====================================
    [...]
    When it comes to heart health, eggs have always had a bit of a questionable
    reputation. For decades the preaching's of a large contingent of health
    professionals led many to assume that there was a direct correlation
    between cholesterol in the diet and cholesterol in the human body. And
    since whole eggs contained a significant amount of cholesterol they were
    branded Public Enemy Number One by most cardiologists. Concerns with
    cholesterol and fears of salmonella contamination led to a significant drop
    in egg consumption during the 70's and 80's.

    As proven numerous times in research, there is a strong link between high
    blood cholesterol blood levels and a high risk of heart disease. However,
    recent advances in research have questioned whether cholesterol in the diet
    has any significant effect on blood cholesterol levels. Generally the body
    compensates for higher amounts of dietary cholesterol by synthesizing
    smaller amounts in the liver, by excreting more or by absorbing less from
    food. Think of it as a self-regulating mechanism - the more you eat the
    less the body produces or absorbs. Therefore, one could assume that whole
    egg consumption and its cholesterol would not have a significant impact on
    blood cholesterol levels.

    Eggs also contain a substance called lecithin that may help limit the
    absorption of cholesterol from the egg into the bloodstream. And, although
    egg yolks contain a lot of cholesterol, evidence points to saturated fats
    (animal fats) and trans fats (partially hydrogenated oils) as the biggest
    culprits when it comes to increasing blood cholesterol levels. An egg yolk
    contains one-sixth the amount of saturated fat found in the equivalent
    weight of full-fat cheese. This leaves us to ponder: Do we really need to
    suffer through any more tasteless egg white omelettes?

    Definitely not, if you look at the results of a study published in the
    Journal of the American Medical Association from the Harvard School of
    Public Health that found no relationship between egg consumption and heart
    disease in a population of over 177,000 men and women who were followed for
    8 and 14 years, respectively. There was no difference in heart disease risk
    (with the exception of diabetics) between those who consumed less than one
    egg a week and those who ate one or more eggs a day.

    In addition, Japan, Spain and France are known to be three of the highest
    egg-consuming countries and yet have some of the lowest rates of heart
    disease of all the industrialized nations. When other factors in the diet
    are taken into consideration there appears to be no correlation between an
    egg a day and increased risk of coronary heart disease in the healthy
    population.

    A review of 166 cholesterol-feeding studies conducted over 40 years on
    3,500 subjects showed that for every 100 mg decrease in dietary
    cholesterol, total plasma cholesterol dropped by only 1%. The study also
    noted that the high levels of dietary cholesterol used in many studies far
    exceed the approximately 250 mg/day consumed by the average person.
    Additionally, the diets in many of the earlier studies on cholesterol and
    heart disease were not only high in cholesterol but were also high in fat,
    saturated fat and animal products, and low in fruits, vegetables and whole
    grains, dietary factors known to influence circulating cholesterol levels
    and heart disease risk.

    A study looking at the impact of egg consumption on endothelial function, a
    reliable index of cardiovascular risk found that eating 2 eggs per day for
    6 weeks had no detrimental impact on cholesterol levels or endothelial
    functioning in healthy males.

    When eggs have been shown to raise LDL ('bad'😉 cholesterol levels the type
    of LDL that they increase tend not to be the most harmful (atherogenic)
    types (small dense fractions).

    Egg Consumption Guidelines

    It now appears that individuals with normal cholesterol levels can enjoy a
    yolk or two a day without any concern. To be on the safe side, those with
    high cholesterol and/or diabetes should limit egg yolk consumption to 3-4
    yolks per week, which includes yolks in baking and casseroles.

    There is also a segment of the population, about 15-25%, that should limit
    their cholesterol consumption as they are hyperresponders. These
    individuals are "sensitive" to dietary cholesterol because it affects the
    amount of cholesterol in their blood. Those who fall into this category
    usually include those with both high cholesterol and high triglyceride
    levels. These individuals should focus more on egg whites than egg yolks.
    These individuals should be aware of other sources of dietary cholesterol
    including red meat (160mg in 6oz of pork tenderloin), chicken (140mg in 6oz
    of chicken breast) and shellfish (3oz of shrimp has about 165mg of
    cholesterol). Plant derived foods (e.g. fruits, nuts, seeds, grains,
    vegetables) are devoid of any cholesterol.

    [...]
    ====================================

  2. Enrico C wrote:
    :: What do you think of this?
    ::[...]
    :: Egg Consumption Guidelines
    ::
    :: It now appears that individuals with normal cholesterol levels can
    :: enjoy a yolk or two a day without any concern. To be on the safe
    :: side, those with high cholesterol and/or diabetes should limit egg
    :: yolk consumption to 3-4 yolks per week, which includes yolks in
    :: baking and casseroles.
    ::
    :: There is also a segment of the population, about 15-25%, that should
    :: limit their cholesterol consumption as they are hyperresponders.
    :: [...]

    What really counts is total mortality, not cholesterol. If you read egg
    studies you find that egg consumption is one of those things that make a
    J-shape curve in mortality. I recall that the lowest mortality is around two
    eggs per week. I wouldn't eat more than 2-4 eggs per week. One should also
    remember that it is important for the egg producers to find studies to
    support egg consumption.

    --
    Juhana

  3. Juhana Harju said:

    Enrico C wrote:
    :: What do you think of this?
    ::[...]
    :: Egg Consumption Guidelines
    ::
    :: It now appears that individuals with normal cholesterol levels can
    :: enjoy a yolk or two a day without any concern. To be on the safe
    :: side, those with high cholesterol and/or diabetes should limit egg
    :: yolk consumption to 3-4 yolks per week, which includes yolks in
    :: baking and casseroles.
    ::
    :: There is also a segment of the population, about 15-25%, that


    should

    Quoted message said:

    :: limit their cholesterol consumption as they are hyperresponders.
    :: [...]

    What really counts is total mortality, not cholesterol. If you read


    egg

    Quoted message said:

    studies you find that egg consumption is one of those things that


    make a

    Quoted message said:

    J-shape curve in mortality. I recall that the lowest mortality is


    around two

    Quoted message said:

    eggs per week. I wouldn't eat more than 2-4 eggs per week. One should


    also

    Quoted message said:

    remember that it is important for the egg producers to find studies


    to

    Quoted message said:

    support egg consumption.

    --
    Juhana

    Why does this cholesterol only cause problems, ie. plaque buildup, in
    the hearts blood vessels? Why is there no problem with the rest of the
    bodies blood vessels? Cholesterol courses thru the entire circulatory
    system, does it not? Why does it not cause plaque build up in other
    places in the bodies circulatory system?

    TC

  4. TC wrote:

    :: Why does this cholesterol only cause problems, ie. plaque buildup, in
    :: the hearts blood vessels? Why is there no problem with the rest of
    :: the bodies blood vessels? Cholesterol courses thru the entire
    :: circulatory system, does it not? Why does it not cause plaque build
    :: up in other places in the bodies circulatory system?

    Does it? As far as I know it also causes problems in legs and
    cerebrovascular circulation. Also one of the main causes of erection
    problems is atheroschlerosis. I have also read that the atheroschlerosis of
    renal arteries is a common cause of hypertension.

    --
    Juhana

  5. Juhana Harju said:

    TC wrote:

    :: Why does this cholesterol only cause problems, ie. plaque buildup,


    in

    Quoted message said:

    :: the hearts blood vessels? Why is there no problem with the rest of
    :: the bodies blood vessels? Cholesterol courses thru the entire
    :: circulatory system, does it not? Why does it not cause plaque


    build

    Quoted message said:

    :: up in other places in the bodies circulatory system?

    Does it? As far as I know it also causes problems in legs and
    cerebrovascular circulation. Also one of the main causes of erection
    problems is atheroschlerosis. I have also read that the


    atheroschlerosis of

    Quoted message said:

    renal arteries is a common cause of hypertension.

    --
    Juhana

    I hardly ever hear of these conditions. Should'nt they occur as often
    as cardio problems? The cardio vessels are only a very small fraction
    of the total amount of area of the bodies total amount of blood
    vessels. Would there not be much much more problems with all areas of
    the body than just the cardio area. Would'nt the smaller cappilaries be
    loaded with plaque way before the cardio vessels?

    It does not seem to make any sense.

    TC

  6. Enrico C wrote:
    :: On Fri, 8 Apr 2005 22:20:29 +0300, Juhana Harju wrote on
    :: sci.med.nutrition
    :::
    :::
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=15213028
    ::
    ::
    :: Thank you very much for the link!

    You are welcome.

    :: Let's see...
    ::
    [...]
    :: So, total blood cholesterol in women was 4.92 in those who "seldom"
    :: eat eggs, 4.95 in 1/2-egg/d eaters and 5.04 in 1-egg/d.
    :: An astonishing +1% or +2.4% increase! 😉

    As I said I don't care much about total cholesterol. There might be other
    mechanisms in action.

    ::: In women, unadjusted IHD mortality and all-cause mortality differed
    ::: significantly between the groups [IHD mortality: 1.1, 0.5, 0.4,
    ::: 0.5, and
    ::: 2.0 per 1000 person-years, respectively (P = 0.008, chi-square
    ::: test);
    ::
    :: So, ischemic heart disease (IHD) mortality in women was much lower
    :: (0.5) in 1-egg/d eaters than in "seldom" egg eaters (2.0).
    ::
    ::: all-cause mortality: 14.8, 8.0, 7.5, 7.5, and 14.5 per 1000
    ::: person-years, respectively (P < 0.0001, chi-square test)].
    ::
    :: Even "all-cause" mortality was lower (8.0) in 1-egg/d eaters than in
    :: "seldom" egg eaters (14.5)!

    As I said before there is a J-shape curve in total mortality. Eggs can be an
    important source of nutrients. In heavy consumers there is also increased
    ovarian cancer mortality. And because men don't have ovaries, as far as I
    know :-) they obviously can't have an ovarian cancer.

    ::: In men, egg consumption was not related to age-adjusted total
    ::: cholesterol.
    ::
    :: That's interesting. In men, egg consumption was not related at all
    :: with total blood cholesterol! In 14 years!

    No, but notice the other study I posted - the total choleterol:HDL ratio
    increased with heavy consumption. That is more important than the total
    cholesterol.

    :: It seems to me it all depends on what one wants to see...
    ::
    :: One could also say, in conclusion, that limiting egg consumption
    :: showed no effect whatsoever on men, while daily egg consumption, as
    :: opposite to "seldom" consumption, showed some healthy benefits
    :: (lower IHD mortality rates) on women.

    And lower ovarian cancer in women, too. One could also speculate that
    because men eat clearly less green leafy vegetables than women, eggs can be
    an important source of lutein for men. For women who eat more leafy
    vegetables getting lutein from eggs might not be that important. Just one
    possible explanation. There might be other reasons as well.

    Are you involved in egg production? Perhaps owner of a farm of 2000 chicken?
    :-)

    --
    Juhana

  7. On Sat, 9 Apr 2005 14:50:19 +0300, Juhana Harju wrote on sci.med.nutrition
    :

    Quoted message said:

    Enrico C wrote:
    :: On Fri, 8 Apr 2005 22:20:29 +0300, Juhana Harju wrote on
    :: sci.med.nutrition
    :::
    :::
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=15213028
    ::
    ::
    :: Thank you very much for the link!

    You are welcome.

    :: Let's see...
    ::
    [...]
    :: So, total blood cholesterol in women was 4.92 in those who "seldom"
    :: eat eggs, 4.95 in 1/2-egg/d eaters and 5.04 in 1-egg/d.
    :: An astonishing +1% or +2.4% increase! 😉

    As I said I don't care much about total cholesterol. There might be other
    mechanisms in action.

    Yes, that might be the case, according to the other study (there is the
    full text available too, I am going to read it asap).
    But *this* study puzzled me, how they draw conclusions, don't you agree?

    Quoted message said:

    ::: In women, unadjusted IHD mortality and all-cause mortality differed
    ::: significantly between the groups [IHD mortality: 1.1, 0.5, 0.4,
    ::: 0.5, and
    ::: 2.0 per 1000 person-years, respectively (P = 0.008, chi-square
    ::: test);
    ::
    :: So, ischemic heart disease (IHD) mortality in women was much lower
    :: (0.5) in 1-egg/d eaters than in "seldom" egg eaters (2.0).
    ::
    ::: all-cause mortality: 14.8, 8.0, 7.5, 7.5, and 14.5 per 1000
    ::: person-years, respectively (P < 0.0001, chi-square test)].
    ::
    :: Even "all-cause" mortality was lower (8.0) in 1-egg/d eaters than in
    :: "seldom" egg eaters (14.5)!

    As I said before there is a J-shape curve in total mortality. Eggs can be an
    important source of nutrients. In heavy consumers there is also increased
    ovarian cancer mortality. And because men don't have ovaries, as far as I
    know :-) they obviously can't have an ovarian cancer.

    But what do you mean with "heavy consumers"? Two eggs a day every day? That
    would be quite a lot, much more than an average consumer, I guess... one
    might wonder if they just ate too much of everything and became overweight!
    :-)

    Quoted message said:

    ::: In men, egg consumption was not related to age-adjusted total
    ::: cholesterol.
    ::
    :: That's interesting. In men, egg consumption was not related at all
    :: with total blood cholesterol! In 14 years!

    No, but notice the other study I posted - the total choleterol:HDL ratio
    increased with heavy consumption. That is more important than the total
    cholesterol.

    Ok, I'll go into it.

    But there is also another research, I posted, suggesting that "consumption
    of up to 1 egg per day is unlikely to have substantial overall impact on
    the risk of CHD or stroke among healthy men and women."

    So, it seems to me data are a bit controversial.

    I would also consider other possibilities, though, such as those montygram
    was talking about, i.e. the problem would be oxidized cholesterol, not any
    cholesterol.

    Just trying to understand.

    Quoted message said:

    :: It seems to me it all depends on what one wants to see...
    ::
    :: One could also say, in conclusion, that limiting egg consumption
    :: showed no effect whatsoever on men, while daily egg consumption, as
    :: opposite to "seldom" consumption, showed some healthy benefits
    :: (lower IHD mortality rates) on women.

    And lower ovarian cancer in women, too. One could also speculate that
    because men eat clearly less green leafy vegetables than women, eggs can be
    an important source of lutein for men. For women who eat more leafy
    vegetables getting lutein from eggs might not be that important. Just one
    possible explanation. There might be other reasons as well.

    Ok.

    Quoted message said:

    Are you involved in egg production?

    No, I am just involved in eating 'em 😉))

    Quoted message said:

    Perhaps owner of a farm of 2000 chicken?
    :-)

    LOL 🙂

    No, but my girlfriend is a part-time olive oil grower, and I like it!
    [No hens though, what a pity!]

    --
    Enrico C

  8. Enrico C wrote:
    :: On Sat, 9 Apr 2005 14:50:19 +0300, Juhana Harju wrote on
    :: sci.med.nutrition
    ::: Are you involved in egg production?
    ::
    :: No, I am just involved in eating 'em 😉))
    ::
    ::: Perhaps owner of a farm of 2000 chicken? :-)
    ::
    :: LOL 🙂
    ::
    :: No, but my girlfriend is a part-time olive oil grower, and I like it!

    I knew there was a chick involved. ;-)

    --
    Juhana

  9. On Sat, 9 Apr 2005 17:43:10 +0300, Juhana Harju wrote on sci.med.nutrition
    :

    Quoted message said:

    ::: Perhaps owner of a farm of 2000 chicken? :-)
    ::
    :: LOL 🙂
    ::
    :: No, but my girlfriend is a part-time olive oil grower, and I like it!

    I knew there was a chick involved. ;-)

    🙂

    --
    Enrico C

Active in the last 60 minutes

Active in this thread

0 users · 0 guests ·0 bots ·0 total

No signed-in users are active right now.

No known search crawlers active right now.