Effective dog repellent

This is *much* better and less expensive
http://www.abmc.gov/cemeteries/cemeteries/no.php

I wouldn't trust that. Get some mace, tear gas, pepper spray or halt. The
post office uses halt which is pepper spray.

Cel

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Some of the dogs on some of my back roads are big and
vicious - and loose. Any one use the above item, or a similar
one?

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Zilla said:

http://www.opamerica.com/product_info.php/products_id/1774

Some of the dogs on some of my back roads are big and
vicious - and loose. Any one use the above item, or a similar
one?

Read this.

http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/journal/?o=lt&doc_id=194&v=a

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Zilla said:

http://www.opamerica.com/product_info.php/products_id/1774

Some of the dogs on some of my back roads are big and
vicious - and loose. Any one use the above item, or a similar
one?

I've read that Guard Alaska brand pepper spray is effective.

--
Michael Press

Per Zilla:

Quoted message said:

Some of the dogs on some of my back roads are big and
vicious - and loose. Any one use the above item, or a similar
one?

In the distant (and not overly-intelligent) past I've had success with two
methods:
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1) Mark IV Mace - the stuff sold in cop stores. You don't need to hit
the animal with it - just lay down a line between you and the animal.

2) A slingshot and 3/8" hex nuts. Again, you don't have to hit the animal
(although I was definitely trying at the time...). The hex nut makes
a sort of moaning sound as it goes through the air. I put one beneath
the rib cage of the leader of a pack that had been harassing me on my
evening jogs. It ricocheted off the asphalt and the entire pack
just sort of faded away. Next night, they ran the other way when they
saw me coming. Quick learners...
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Does your local government have an animal control officer? If so, maybe you
could get some action there.

Personally, I favor just trying to avoid the things... Commonly-accepted
wisdom among the people I worked with at an electric utility (most came
up through the ranks from being meter readers...) is that a dog can inflict
severe and permanent nerve damage - especially if it starts ripping your
forearm/hand.
--
PeteCresswell

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Zilla said:

http://www.opamerica.com/product_info.php/products_id/1774

Some of the dogs on some of my back roads are big and vicious - and
loose. Any one use the above item, or a similar one?

I have no patience with stupid dog owners who let their animals run free
to cause havoc, whether chasing bicyclists, deer or little kids out
playing. It's absolutely irresponsible. I feel sorry for the dog, who
is going to die young thanks to the ignorance of its human. If I can
identify the owner, I would call the county sheriff or animal control
officer and report it as a public nuisance.

Generally I rely on being able to outsprint them and yelling at them.
Most dogs give up after a hundred yards or so. I've squirted them in
the face with my water bottle. Halt! can work, as can a squirt gun with
an ammonia dilution in it. Around here I don't have any Halt! but my
wife (a backpacker) has some pepper spray for bears which I would take
on rides where I know I will likely be chased by dogs.

The local brevet series goes past a farm in Greenleafton MN with a pack
of Rottweilers (is 3 a pack?) that chase bicyclists- dead silent, with
flanking maneuvers, and very serious intent. They don't chase every
cyclist, in fact some of the people doing the rides don't even know the
dogs exist. But they seem to reliably chase the people using Schmidt
generator hubs for some reason.

Zilla said:

http://www.opamerica.com/product_info.php/products_id/1774

Some of the dogs on some of my back roads are big and
vicious - and loose. Any one use the above item, or a similar
one?

When I was a kid, the neighborhood mailman gave me a tip: rocks. Dogs
aren't that stupid, most will run when they see you pick up a rock.

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In article <[email hidden]>,

Zilla said:

http://www.opamerica.com/product_info.php/products_id/1774

Some of the dogs on some of my back roads are big and vicious - and
loose. Any one use the above item, or a similar one?

I have no patience with stupid dog owners who let their animals run free
to cause havoc, whether chasing bicyclists, deer or little kids out
playing. It's absolutely irresponsible. I feel sorry for the dog, who
is going to die young thanks to the ignorance of its human. If I can
identify the owner, I would call the county sheriff or animal control
officer and report it as a public nuisance.

I won't hesitate hurting an animal - before it hurts me. I leave
that as last resort if I can.

You have to understand, these are back roads in "rural NC"
where houses are sometimes 2-3 mi apart. Dogs run free
in these parts.

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Zilla said:

I won't hesitate hurting an animal - before it hurts me. I leave
that as last resort if I can.

You have to understand, these are back roads in "rural NC"
where houses are sometimes 2-3 mi apart. Dogs run free
in these parts.

Get a pistol and shoot the damn things, then.

There are dogs around here which won't stop trying to kill you until you
or they are dead. We had a pack attack two chicks on horses. One horse
fought back because the dog had its rider's leg in its mouth. The horse,
I understand, died from its wounds. The woman didn't.

The sheriff said to the reporter who covered the story (the women were
rich society babes so the newspapers care if they die) said his troops
won't respond to the dog calls because they aren't trained to handle
such vicious animals.

Anyway, think of a pack of dogs which, as an incidental attack, kill a
horse. Now do you think you're gonna worry that bunch with a high
pitched squeal or a pepper spray?

Get the gun.

-paul

Peter Cole said:

Zilla said:

http://www.opamerica.com/product_info.php/products_id/1774

Some of the dogs on some of my back roads are big and
vicious - and loose. Any one use the above item, or a similar
one?

When I was a kid, the neighborhood mailman gave me a tip: rocks. Dogs
aren't that stupid, most will run when they see you pick up a rock.

I agree. I've used this tactic with 100% success on a single dog.
However, it's not at all effective on a pack which is where the true
dangers lie, I think.

-paul

Paul Cassel said:

Zilla said:

I won't hesitate hurting an animal - before it hurts me. I leave
that as last resort if I can.

You have to understand, these are back roads in "rural NC"
where houses are sometimes 2-3 mi apart. Dogs run free
in these parts.

Get a pistol and shoot the damn things, then.

There are dogs around here which won't stop trying to kill you until you
or they are dead. We had a pack attack two chicks on horses. One horse
fought back because the dog had its rider's leg in its mouth. The horse,
I understand, died from its wounds. The woman didn't.

The sheriff said to the reporter who covered the story (the women were
rich society babes so the newspapers care if they die) said his troops
won't respond to the dog calls because they aren't trained to handle
such vicious animals.

Anyway, think of a pack of dogs which, as an incidental attack, kill a
horse. Now do you think you're gonna worry that bunch with a high
pitched squeal or a pepper spray?

Get the gun.

-paul

Dear Paul,

Below is a similar vicious-dog-pack-stopped-only-by-guns story from
Kiowa, Colorado, that I posted a while ago. They killed one woman and
then attacked several other people in different places.

Luckily, all the dogs that I meet are friendly.

So far.

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

Dogs kill woman, attack two others

KIOWA (AP) - A pack of dogs neighbors had feared in the past
fatally mauled a woman and attacked three other people over
the weekend before they were gunned down by a teen-ager and
sheriff’s deputies.

Authorities said Jennifer Brooke, 40, was killed early
Sunday after she went to a barn in a rural area southeast of
Denver to care for her horses. A friend, Bjorn Osmunsen, 24,
was attacked after he got worried and went to look for
Brooke.

The dogs, all pit bulls, then moved on to a nearby home,
where they attacked Lynn Baker as he stepped outside.

‘‘It was awful,’’ Baker said. ‘‘One was leaping for my
throat as one was dragging me down by my hand.’’

He said he jumped into the bed of his pickup truck and
screamed for family members inside to call authorities, and
for his 16-year-old son, Cody, to grab a gun.

Cody Baker shot at the dogs with a 12-gauge shotgun,
blinding one, knocking one down and disorienting the third.
The distraction was enough for Baker to jump down, grab his
truck keys from the ground and climb into the cab of the
pickup.

He drove it close enough to the house to scurry inside, he
said.

‘‘I figure I’d do anything before I’d let my dad get hurt
any more or die,’’ said Cody Baker, who was attacked but was
not injured.

Authorities arrived and killed the dogs. They then turned to
the victims.

‘‘It’s a gruesome thing, it’s kind of hard to deal with,’’
Elbert County Undersheriff James Underwood said. ‘‘Even the
fire department and the rescue personnel were having a hard
time dealing with some of it.’’ Eight firemen were being
counseled.

A nearby resident, Dawn Woods, said she could hear the
gunfire from her home, and she knew the dogs in the past had
attacked a jogger and chased another woman into her home.

Authorities say the dog owners had been contacted but there
had been no decision on charges.

***

Zilla said:

I won't hesitate hurting an animal - before it hurts me. I leave
that as last resort if I can.

You have to understand, these are back roads in "rural NC"
where houses are sometimes 2-3 mi apart. Dogs run free
in these parts.

Then the solution is to carry a Walther TPH, not wimpy dog repellent.

Besides, I thought everyone in rural NC had guns.

--
BMO

Per Paul Cassel:

Quoted message said:

a pack which is where the true
dangers lie, I think.

Somewhere I read that in the Far North... wherever that is... loose dogs are
shot on sight.

Reason: if this is not done, some people who use dogs to pull sleds during the
winter just turn them loose to fend for themselves during the warm months - and
they do what dogs do: form packs and hunt.

A few years ago, I was harassed by a pack of street-sized dogs in Philadelphia's
Fairmount park - near the Art Museum. It was broad daylight. They approached
me yapping and nipping. I managed to land a solid kick in the ribs of the
leader. Lifted him a few feet into the air... and that sort of defused the
situation...

Recounted the story to somebody who was connected with the Philly police and
they said that packs of feral dogs in that park were a known issue and they
wouldn't advise anybody to get out of their car after dark in the park.

--
PeteCresswell

Zilla,

I went through this exercise about a year agor to see if I could do
something about the various dogs I encountered on my lunch time rides
in rural Lee and Harnett counties. There was a particularly agressive
pit bull on one of my routes. You can probably find the thread in the
archives here:

Message-ID: <[email hidden]>

I thought that the ultrasonic route would be preferable to other
solutions. What I found out during my field test of another similar
device was that the results are very dog dependent. Some can hear this
high frequency and others can't. Unfortunately there is no way to know
beforehand which kind of dog you are dealing with.

I found one of my regular chase by the side of the road dogs was very
sensitive and turned tail and ran away. Unfortunately, the pit bull
either couldn't hear it or wasn't bothered enough by it to break off
its attack. After this I decided to abandon this approach.

Not too long after this the pit bull owner lost his other dog most
likely to a car and now keeps the pit bull caged up. I never did get
around to getting any pepper spray. It is kind of expensive for single
use. You can't really use it on a group ride without risk of getting
you ride mates and you still have to be careful about wind direction
lest you get youself on a solo ride.

Zilla said:

http://www.opamerica.com/product_info.php/products_id/1774

Some of the dogs on some of my back roads are big and
vicious - and loose. Any one use the above item, or a similar
one?

On Sun, 28 May 2006 20:48:49 -0400, Steve Sr. <[email hidden]>
wrote:

Well, I don't think this wold work for the "pack o' dogs" problem, but
for individual dogs you can throw chaff - er, a gob of dog biscuits.
Most Postmen and meter readers carry them now. They've fond it more
effective than other methods. At least, that's what the meter reader
guy tells me.

Quoted message said:

Dear Paul,

Below is a similar vicious-dog-pack-stopped-only-by-guns story from
Kiowa, Colorado, that I posted a while ago. They killed one woman and
then attacked several other people in different places.

Luckily, all the dogs that I meet are friendly.

So far.

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

Dogs kill woman, attack two others

KIOWA (AP) - A pack of dogs neighbors had feared in the past
fatally mauled a woman and attacked three other people over
the weekend before they were gunned down by a teen-ager and
sheriff’s deputies.

Authorities said Jennifer Brooke, 40, was killed early
Sunday after she went to a barn in a rural area southeast of
Denver to care for her horses. A friend, Bjorn Osmunsen, 24,
was attacked after he got worried and went to look for
Brooke.

The dogs, all pit bulls, then moved on to a nearby home,
where they attacked Lynn Baker as he stepped outside.

<snip>

The operatives here are 'pack' and the idea that the entire attack is
unexpected. The postmen usually know what places have potential of ONE
vicious dog while out in the field you may have to contend with many AND
are taken utterly by surprise. So the postmen can have their Mace on ready.

Years ago I worked volunteer at a preserve as a killer of dog packs
which were there as sport killers of deer, elk and so forth. These were
packs of dogs you'd think were pretty mild like beagles yet when packed
up, they posed a serious threat to the preserve animals so I was (as a
marksman) 'volunteered' to exterminate the packs.

The thing which impressed me is that the packs killed for sport. They'd
torture, say a deer, by ripping out its' stomach and then pulling out
its guts so the fleeing animal would, by its movement, kill itself by
fleeing while its intestines caught on vegetation. Then when the deer
was down, the dogs would just gnaw at it some but not eat. After the
pack would go after another animal for more sport. That's why I was
asked in to kill them.

IMO, they'd treat a biker the same way if one was to pedal into their
range. As another aside, I was attacked by a pack while on my
motorcycle. The speed of the bike caused the attack to fail, but I think
if I were on my bicycle, I would surely be killed or badly hurt. These
animals are perhaps the greatest menace in the wild.

-paul

I recall that Eugene Sloan recommended a piece of fishing rod or car
antenna. I have tried this, and what happens is that the dog learns after
the first swing or two to drop back whenever you turn around to try to hit
him, and then charges forward again when you face forward to continue
pedaling. This ends up with the cyclist having to get off the bike and
confront the dog. That has worked for me with small dogs, but I would worry
about a big one.

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one?

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i shot about 15 dogs in 2005. the owners always make a stink but
it's a simple choice....and i chose me.

i'm not about to spend even $1 to "educate" an animal who should have
been "educated" by it's owner.

simple law around here is that the dog needs to on a leash or contained
inside of an enclosure.

the cops/animal control usually show about as much concern for the dead
dog as a cyclist who's been bitten.

i don't have it with me all of the time. recently...a dog i hadn't
encountered before saw me from behind his fence, jumped it, and chased
me for about a block and left teeth marks on the heel cup of my Sidis.
next ride i had the ruger with me and plunked him one in the neck. no
problems since then.

best thing is...one bullet is cheaper than a can of mace.

sad that the dogs pay for the misdeeds of negligent, ignorant, half-wit
owners.

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Zilla said:

http://www.opamerica.com/product_info.php/products_id/1774

Some of the dogs on some of my back roads are big and vicious - and
loose. Any one use the above item, or a similar one?

I have no patience with stupid dog owners who let their animals run free
to cause havoc, whether chasing bicyclists, deer or little kids out
playing. It's absolutely irresponsible. I feel sorry for the dog, who
is going to die young thanks to the ignorance of its human. If I can
identify the owner, I would call the county sheriff or animal control
officer and report it as a public nuisance.

I won't hesitate hurting an animal - before it hurts me. I leave
that as last resort if I can.

You have to understand, these are back roads in "rural NC"
where houses are sometimes 2-3 mi apart. Dogs run free
in these parts.

--
- Zilla
Cary, NC USA
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Zilla said:

http://www.opamerica.com/product_info.php/products_id/1774

Some of the dogs on some of my back roads are big and
vicious - and loose. Any one use the above item, or a similar
one?

It's easier, cheaper, safer, and more convenient to assume the role of
the bigger dog. No equipment necessary.

Chalo