Edward Dolan is REALLY Marge Simpson

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I saw the Episode where she, er uhm HE tried to bad sugar because it
was in everyone's best interest.

Actually, Edward Dolan is REALLY God. And I am preparing a special place in
Hell for all those who make light of Me. I am not a jealous God (unlike the
Hebrew God), but I do insist on a certain amount of groveling from time to
time from my inferiors. This most definitely includes DiscoDuck.

I think you must mean ban instead of bad. Take some time with your posts why
don't you so the rest of us here on ARBR will not think you are an idiot.
Also, a one sentence post as an original post is pitiful and marks you as a
juvenile.

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Regards,

Ed Dolan the God - Minnesota

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I saw the Episode where she, er uhm HE tried to bad sugar because it
was in everyone's best interest.

Good idea, after all fluoride is added to drinking water for our own good.
Maybe they should start pumping pureed fresh fruit and veg through the water
mains to ensure junk food addicts get their ration.
Mind you, according to an article I read in The Times regular light drinking
of any alcoholic beverage is beneficial to the middle-aged, I keep checking
my taps but am yet to taste any.

Pete

Peter B said:

Good idea, after all fluoride is added to drinking water for our own

good.

No! It's a Commie conspiracy to poison our precious bodily fluids!

For those who've lived under a rock since 1964:

http://www.dealtime.com/xMPR-~PD-41325~PT-xMPR~RI-130424737412

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Peter B said:

Good idea, after all fluoride is added to drinking water for our own

good.

No! It's a Commie conspiracy to poison our precious bodily fluids!

For those who've lived under a rock since 1964:

http://www.dealtime.com/xMPR-~PD-41325~PT-xMPR~RI-130424737412

Zog, I have watched "Dr. Strangelove" many times. It is one of my favorite
movies of all time. I do not believe there has ever been a better satire
done on film - period!

I believe many of the movies made back in the 1960's were of exceptional
quality. Of course I was in my twenties back then which is the age for going
to movies, but still I think those movies stand up very well in comparison
to most movies that came after. There is something to be said too for films
shot in black and white. That kind of starkness is much better for drama
than films shot in color.

To see what can be done with black and white with the resulting shadows,
have a look at "The Third Man" sometime. This movie I consider the best
movie ever made in the English language. It is not just a great movie, it is
flawless. It is to movies what Beethoven's 5th is to music.

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Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota

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I saw the Episode where she, er uhm HE tried to ban sugar because it
was in everyone's best interest.

Oftentimes it takes a true idiot like DiscoDuck to raise a central issue of
society. It is on the order of asking the question ... who am I?
How much freedom of choice is good for man living in society? Just how
worthwhile is democracy anyway? Is liberty necessarily a good thing? The
entire history of the 20th century dealt with these questions and it took
two world wars to at least temporarily settle these issues.

[censored] and Stalin (National Socialism and Communism) were essentially
nothing but oriental despotisms. The totalitarian aspect was just a veneer
that technology made possible, but they were no different than the despots
of ancient times. That is how man has historically organized himself into
complex societies by giving power to a ruling elite and becoming subjects.

In the short term this is a very efficient way for societies to accomplish
things, especially warfare. In the long term it may not be so effective as
decay and rot inevitably sets in. Nevertheless, democracy is a very recent
invention and the last word has not been written on it by any means. Man has
always functioned for the most part in societies without any freedom of
choice, liberty or democracy.

President Bush believes all men want to be free, even Muslims. I am not so
sure about this. I think democracy has to be learned like reading and
writing. Man's natural instinct may not lie in that direction at all. Yet we
now have a President who is embarked on a great moral crusade based on the
belief that all men want to be free. He is bent on creating democracies in
the Middle East where liberty will flourish.

The liberals in the West are opposed to this and regard it as adventurism
and wrongheaded. They apparently think that only the West can be free and
democratic. The Europeans especially are committed to this view. They may be
right. I am very pessimistic about man's need for freedom and democracy. I
don't think it exists. It is learned behavior and it is very difficult to
learn it. The West was only able to achieve this with very great difficulty
over a period of many hundreds of years.

So you see, what DiscoDuck asks is by no means so simple as he or most of us
imagine it to be. Most men living in the world today may well prefer to be
told by various ruling elites what is good for them and what is not good for
them. They are willing to be subjects and to serve the despot in order to
live. Survival takes precedence over such trivialities as freedom, liberty
and democracy.

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Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota

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President Bush believes all men want to be free, even Muslims. I am not so
sure about this. I think democracy has to be learned like reading and
writing. Man's natural instinct may not lie in that direction at all. Yet
we now have a President who is embarked on a great moral crusade based on
the belief that all men want to be free. He is bent on creating
democracies in the Middle East where liberty will flourish.

The liberals in the West are opposed to this and regard it as adventurism
and wrongheaded. They apparently think that only the West can be free and
democratic. The Europeans especially are committed to this view. They may
be right. I am very pessimistic about man's need for freedom and
democracy. I don't think it exists. It is learned behavior and it is very
difficult to learn it. The West was only able to achieve this with very
great difficulty over a period of many hundreds of years.

So you see, what DiscoDuck asks is by no means so simple as he or most of
us imagine it to be. Most men living in the world today may well prefer to
be told by various ruling elites what is good for them and what is not
good for them. They are willing to be subjects and to serve the despot in
order to live. Survival takes precedence over such trivialities as
freedom, liberty and democracy.

--

I think Ed's take on this may be correct. Nevertheless I hope for the best
in Iraq. I am encouraged by the election in Afghanistan.

On one of the Sunday morning political shows Brent Scowcroft was being
pushed by the interviewer to say if he thought democracy would take hold any
time soon in Iraq. Mr. Scowcroft didn't want to answer the question (he and
G.H.W. Bush are pretty much on record from the first Gulf War stating it
wouldn't be a good idea to think in those terms). He did say for democracy
to work citizens must believe the rules are more important than election
outcomes. Mr. Scowcroft thought it would take a long time for all of the
different Iraqi factions to reach this common belief.

As it is now the rules in Iraq seem to be for infidels only.

skip

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"Edward Dolan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

President Bush believes all men want to be free, even Muslims. I am not
so sure about this. I think democracy has to be learned like reading and
writing. Man's natural instinct may not lie in that direction at all. Yet
we now have a President who is embarked on a great moral crusade based on
the belief that all men want to be free. He is bent on creating
democracies in the Middle East where liberty will flourish.

The liberals in the West are opposed to this and regard it as adventurism
and wrongheaded. They apparently think that only the West can be free and
democratic. The Europeans especially are committed to this view. They may
be right. I am very pessimistic about man's need for freedom and
democracy. I don't think it exists. It is learned behavior and it is very
difficult to learn it. The West was only able to achieve this with very
great difficulty over a period of many hundreds of years.

So you see, what DiscoDuck asks is by no means so simple as he or most of
us imagine it to be. Most men living in the world today may well prefer
to be told by various ruling elites what is good for them and what is not
good for them. They are willing to be subjects and to serve the despot in
order to live. Survival takes precedence over such trivialities as
freedom, liberty and democracy.

--

I think Ed's take on this may be correct. Nevertheless I hope for the
best in Iraq. I am encouraged by the election in Afghanistan.

On one of the Sunday morning political shows Brent Scowcroft was being
pushed by the interviewer to say if he thought democracy would take hold
any time soon in Iraq. Mr. Scowcroft didn't want to answer the question
(he and G.H.W. Bush are pretty much on record from the first Gulf War
stating it wouldn't be a good idea to think in those terms). He did say
for democracy to work citizens must believe the rules are more important
than election outcomes. Mr. Scowcroft thought it would take a long time
for all of the different Iraqi factions to reach this common belief.

As it is now the rules in Iraq seem to be for infidels only.

skip

Skip, you and I were both watching that same interview. I took my cue for my
post about freedom from his insights into democracy and the nature of man.
I disagreed with him and Bush I about why we did not take out Sadaam in the
first Gulf War when we had the chance. With half a million troops on the
ground there at the time, we could have done anything we wanted to and no
one could have done a thing about it. It was a golden opportunity forever
lost. If power is not used when it can be and should be, then nations and
empires are lost. Nevertheless, he struck me as being quite intelligent in
what he said on the interview show. I did not think he was ever that deep a
thinker.

The rules are the essence of democracy, but it is almost impossible for most
of mankind to accept this. Mankind is only oriented toward results which he
desires. I can be that way myself very easily. When the rules get in the way
of what I want, I am more than ready to jettison the rules. But I must not
do that because I do not want others to do it to me when the results go
against them. Churchill said it best. Democracy is the worst of all
governments, except for all those other governments out there which are even
worse.

Even if democracy never takes hold in any Muslim country, we still have to
play the Great Game and ensure that those countries in the Middle East are
amenable to our will because of the oil situation. I think President Bush is
enough of a realist for this even if he would like to see democracy take
hold there. I think Iran is going to be a very major problem for the West if
those mullahs are not overthrown.

--
Regards,

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

Edward Dolan said:

...
President Bush believes all men want to be free...

He is certainly wrong about the gigolos.

--
Tom Sherman - Rock Island County Illinois
Tetrahedral carbon lattices are not forever.

skip said:

...He did say for democracy
to work citizens must believe the rules are more important than election
outcomes....

When is this going to become standard practice in the US?

--
Tom Sherman - Rock Island County Illinois
Tetrahedral carbon lattices are not forever.

"Tom Sherman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

skip said:

...He did say for democracy
to work citizens must believe the rules are more important than election
outcomes....

Quoted message said:

When is this going to become standard practice in the US?

--

Damn. Still whining about the 2000 Flordia vote, I see. There must have
been at least 18 recounts and President Bush won them all.

What's it going to take to get you over Flordia and past the year 2000?

$kip

skip said:

"Tom Sherman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

skip said:

...He did say for democracy
to work citizens must believe the rules are more important than election
outcomes....

Quoted message said:

When is this going to become standard practice in the US?

Damn. Still whining about the 2000 Flordia vote, I see. There must have
been at least 18 recounts and President Bush won them all.

[YAWN] Recounts are only a part of the story in the case of Florida in
2000. The election was rigged ahead of time by the purges in heavily
Democratic precincts by Choicepoint, and the use of voting machines with
much higher spoilage rates in primarily Democratic precincts compared to
primarily Republican precincts.

Quoted message said:

What's it going to take to get you over Flordia and past the year 2000?

When every precinct has sufficient voting machines, not just those whose
demographics favor that of the party who happens to run the state
government in question.

When the remnants of Jim Crow are banished, and those who attempt to
repress the votes of minorities are suitably penalized.

When every electron voting machine has a verifiable paper trail so
recounts are possible.

When the privatization of elections is eliminated.

When election day is made a national holiday - as it should be if
democracy is really that valued.

When those responsible for counting the votes are not partisan (or even
the state campaign manager for a candidate).

When there are nationwide standards for elections that eliminate the
undemocratic practices by local partisan election officials.

When campaigns are publicly funded (or all campaign donations go into a
blind fund so the candidates does not know who his/her donors are) to
end the practice of legalized bribery.

When the anti-democratic Electoral College is abolished, so all votes
count equally in presidential elections.

When debates involve all candidates who make it on the ballots, not just
the two major party candidates who prefer to spout platitudes and spin
instead of honestly answering questions.

When proportional representation and/or instant runoff voting is
implemented, to make third party candidacies viable, so we are not faced
with the choice of the lesser of two evils (or the evil of two lessers).

When control of the public commons of the electronic broadcast spectrum
is not given away at fire sale prices to a few media conglomerates who
for the most part only give voice to those who support the corporate
dominance of politics.

Anyone who believes that representative democracy is functioning
properly in the US is ignorant or an idiot.

--
Tom Sherman - Rock Island County Illinois
Tetrahedral carbon lattices are not forever.

He should move to Florida for this

http://www.bocanews.com/index.php?src=news&prid=10324&category=Local%20News

"skip" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Tom Sherman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

skip said:

...He did say for democracy
to work citizens must believe the rules are more important than

election

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

outcomes....

Quoted message said:

When is this going to become standard practice in the US?

--

Damn. Still whining about the 2000 Flordia vote, I see. There must have
been at least 18 recounts and President Bush won them all.

What's it going to take to get you over Flordia and past the year 2000?

$kip

"Tom Sherman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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skip said:

"Tom Sherman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

skip wrote:

>...He did say for democracy
>to work citizens must believe the rules are more important than election
>outcomes....

Quoted message said:

When is this going to become standard practice in the US?

Damn. Still whining about the 2000 Flordia vote, I see. There must have
been at least 18 recounts and President Bush won them all.

[YAWN] Recounts are only a part of the story in the case of Florida in
2000. The election was rigged ahead of time by the purges in heavily
Democratic precincts by Choicepoint, and the use of voting machines with
much higher spoilage rates in primarily Democratic precincts compared to
primarily Republican precincts.

Quoted message said:

What's it going to take to get you over Flordia and past the year 2000?

When every precinct has sufficient voting machines, not just those whose
demographics favor that of the party who happens to run the state
government in question.

When the remnants of Jim Crow are banished, and those who attempt to
repress the votes of minorities are suitably penalized.

When every electron voting machine has a verifiable paper trail so
recounts are possible.

When the privatization of elections is eliminated.

When election day is made a national holiday - as it should be if
democracy is really that valued.

When those responsible for counting the votes are not partisan (or even
the state campaign manager for a candidate).

When there are nationwide standards for elections that eliminate the
undemocratic practices by local partisan election officials.

When campaigns are publicly funded (or all campaign donations go into a
blind fund so the candidates does not know who his/her donors are) to end
the practice of legalized bribery.

When the anti-democratic Electoral College is abolished, so all votes
count equally in presidential elections.

When debates involve all candidates who make it on the ballots, not just
the two major party candidates who prefer to spout platitudes and spin
instead of honestly answering questions.

When proportional representation and/or instant runoff voting is
implemented, to make third party candidacies viable, so we are not faced
with the choice of the lesser of two evils (or the evil of two lessers).

When control of the public commons of the electronic broadcast spectrum is
not given away at fire sale prices to a few media conglomerates who for
the most part only give voice to those who support the corporate dominance
of politics.

Anyone who believes that representative democracy is functioning properly
in the US is ignorant or an idiot.

--
Tom Sherman - Rock Island County Illinois
Tetrahedral carbon lattices are not forever.

You do have issues don't you.

I understand the election boards and commissions across the country are
overwhelmingly controlled by Democrats. You seem to feel they've mucked
things up pretty bad. Maybe we need to vote them out of office.

$kip

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He should move to Florida for this

http://www.bocanews.com/index.php?src=news&prid=10324&category=Local%20News

Tom needs to get over Gore losing. He doesn't need PEST therapy. Tom's a
real cool customer compared to those whimpering Flordia basketcases who the
PEST therapists have to coax out from underneath their desks. Those folks
are just plain pitiful. Through intensive PEST thearpy I hope they wll be
funcitional enough to vote in the 2006 elections and not have a relapse
because of the results.

$kip

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"Tom Sherman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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skip wrote:

> ...He did say for democracy
> to work citizens must believe the rules are more important than

election

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> outcomes....

Quoted message said:

When is this going to become standard practice in the US?

--

Damn. Still whining about the 2000 Flordia vote, I see. There must have
been at least 18 recounts and President Bush won them all.

What's it going to take to get you over Flordia and past the year 2000?

$kip

"Tom Sherman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I understand the election boards and commissions across the country are
overwhelmingly controlled by Democrats. You seem to feel they've mucked
things up pretty bad. Maybe we need to vote them out of office.

Not in Ohio.

Earlier this week they just finished counting Ohio

http://election.sos.state.oh.us/results/RaceDetail.aspx?race=PP

But hey its all about supposed corruption, blacks being prevented from
voting, optical ballots, etc etc, its NEVER about more people actually
voting for Bush eh?

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"Mark Leuck" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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He should move to Florida for this

http://www.bocanews.com/index.php?src=news&prid=10324&category=Local%20News

Quoted message said:

Tom needs to get over Gore losing. He doesn't need PEST therapy. Tom's a
real cool customer compared to those whimpering Flordia basketcases who

the

Quoted message said:

PEST therapists have to coax out from underneath their desks. Those folks
are just plain pitiful. Through intensive PEST thearpy I hope they wll be
funcitional enough to vote in the 2006 elections and not have a relapse
because of the results.

$kip

It'll be even worse for them when Hillary gets beat in 08. My jab at Tom tho
is a joke, if I recall he wasn't a Kerry supporter anyway.

skip said:

"Tom Sherman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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skip said:

"Tom Sherman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>skip wrote:
>
>
>>...He did say for democracy
>>to work citizens must believe the rules are more important than election
>>outcomes....

>When is this going to become standard practice in the US?

Damn. Still whining about the 2000 Flordia vote, I see. There must have
been at least 18 recounts and President Bush won them all.

[YAWN] Recounts are only a part of the story in the case of Florida in
2000. The election was rigged ahead of time by the purges in heavily
Democratic precincts by Choicepoint, and the use of voting machines with
much higher spoilage rates in primarily Democratic precincts compared to
primarily Republican precincts.

Quoted message said:

What's it going to take to get you over Flordia and past the year 2000?

When every precinct has sufficient voting machines, not just those whose
demographics favor that of the party who happens to run the state
government in question.

When the remnants of Jim Crow are banished, and those who attempt to
repress the votes of minorities are suitably penalized.

When every electron voting machine has a verifiable paper trail so
recounts are possible.

When the privatization of elections is eliminated.

When election day is made a national holiday - as it should be if
democracy is really that valued.

When those responsible for counting the votes are not partisan (or even
the state campaign manager for a candidate).

When there are nationwide standards for elections that eliminate the
undemocratic practices by local partisan election officials.

When campaigns are publicly funded (or all campaign donations go into a
blind fund so the candidates does not know who his/her donors are) to end
the practice of legalized bribery.

When the anti-democratic Electoral College is abolished, so all votes
count equally in presidential elections.

When debates involve all candidates who make it on the ballots, not just
the two major party candidates who prefer to spout platitudes and spin
instead of honestly answering questions.

When proportional representation and/or instant runoff voting is
implemented, to make third party candidacies viable, so we are not faced
with the choice of the lesser of two evils (or the evil of two lessers).

When control of the public commons of the electronic broadcast spectrum is
not given away at fire sale prices to a few media conglomerates who for
the most part only give voice to those who support the corporate dominance
of politics.

Anyone who believes that representative democracy is functioning properly
in the US is ignorant or an idiot.

--
Tom Sherman - Rock Island County Illinois
Tetrahedral carbon lattices are not forever.

You do have issues don't you.

All the citizens of the US have issues, unless they like being de facto
ruled by about 10,000 or so greedy people, which is where things are
currently headed.

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I understand the election boards and commissions across the country are
overwhelmingly controlled by Democrats. You seem to feel they've mucked
things up pretty bad. Maybe we need to vote them out of office.

Not in Ohio.

--
Tom Sherman - Rock Island County Illinois
Tetrahedral carbon lattices are not forever.

"Tom Sherman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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skip said:

"Tom Sherman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

skip wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

You do have issues don't you.

All the citizens of the US have issues, unless they like being de facto
ruled by about 10,000 or so greedy people, which is where things are
currently headed.

Quoted message said:

I understand the election boards and commissions across the country are
overwhelmingly controlled by Democrats. You seem to feel they've mucked
things up pretty bad. Maybe we need to vote them out of office.

Not in Ohio.

--

Don't worry - your interests are well represented by Jessie Jackson, Al
Sharpton, and John Kerry who are in Ohio planning an insurgency of some sort
to overthrow the election. Jessie has a big to do planned for tomorrow to
get the insurgency off and running. Be sure to tune in.

I just hope violence doesn't break out between Jessie and Al to see who gets
the most TV face time. Something like that could be a real set back for the
insurgency.

$kip

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When the remnants of Jim Crow are banished, and those who attempt to
repress the votes of minorities are suitably penalized.

I would require everyone who wants to vote to pass a literary test and in
fact to prove that they are not idiots. The Blacks could either educate
themselves on how to vote or they could return to plantation days and sing
songs about Old Man River.

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When every electron voting machine has a verifiable paper trail so
recounts are possible.

Yes, I do think a paper trail is essential. I do not trust electrons.
[...]

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When election day is made a national holiday - as it should be if
democracy is really that valued.

That is another very good idea.
[...]

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When the anti-democratic Electoral College is abolished, so all votes
count equally in presidential elections.

I love the electoral college even though if Ohio had gone for Kerry he would
now be president. We have a federal system. That is why we call ourselves
the United STATES of America.

Quoted message said:

When debates involve all candidates who make it on the ballots, not just
the two major party candidates who prefer to spout platitudes and spin
instead of honestly answering questions.

When proportional representation and/or instant runoff voting is
implemented, to make third party candidacies viable, so we are not faced
with the choice of the lesser of two evils (or the evil of two lessers).

All third party candidates are doomed under our presidential system. Only a
parliamentary system would make it possible. But would the US be governable
under a parliamentary system?

Quoted message said:

When control of the public commons of the electronic broadcast spectrum is
not given away at fire sale prices to a few media conglomerates who for
the most part only give voice to those who support the corporate dominance
of politics.

All the major media were for Kerry. Most journalists are over whelmingly
Democratic.

Quoted message said:

Anyone who believes that representative democracy is functioning properly
in the US is ignorant or an idiot.

It functions here better than anywhere else in the world.

--
Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota