EDTA

Triniti said:

bias and deception. For example, as a result of a homeopathic remedy
passed on to me from my mom (RN with homeopathic certs), I haven't had a
cold since 1995 and I haven't had the flu since 1999. They were
completely cured and then prevented not just relieving the symptoms like
with OTC medications. My ex-wife and kids have all been sick several

Since I gave up consuming dairy products and drinking cow's milk
ten years ago, I have not had any common colds.

Sbharrisatsignix.netcom.com said:

Now that you've given up milk, it's only natural that you should take
to EDTA capsules with your food. There are some people who, when

Not only I have given up drinking cow's milk, I also have given
up GETTING strep throats; lung congestion; and common colds.

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George. Sounds like you're well on the way. Pay no attention to the hip
fractures. Take the EDTA in your wheelchair. Go for it.

Only need to eat green veggies.

"Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com" <[email hidden]> wrote:
[in ref to EDTA & chelation]

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Though I agree with your general point of view, presumably it doesn't
apply to EDTA and coronary disease. How in th devil are you going to
know it worked? Have two serial angiograms? Serial spiral CTs?

Folks who try an oral EDTA chelation and end up feeling better
will know that such a product works.

In article <[email hidden]>,

George Lagergren said:

"Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com" <[email hidden]> wrote:
[in ref to EDTA & chelation]

Quoted message said:

Though I agree with your general point of view, presumably it doesn't
apply to EDTA and coronary disease. How in th devil are you going to
know it worked? Have two serial angiograms? Serial spiral CTs?

Folks who try an oral EDTA chelation and end up feeling better
will know that such a product works.

Feeling better does NOT prove the product works. Chelation worked no
better than placebo in clinical trials -- which means that a lot of
the placebo people felt better, even though they weren't.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If you meet the Buddha on the net, put him in your killfile."
-- Anon.

On Wed, 24 Aug 2005 04:17:17 GMT, [email hidden] (David

Wright) said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

George Lagergren said:

"Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com" <[email hidden]> wrote:
[in ref to EDTA & chelation]

Quoted message said:

Though I agree with your general point of view, presumably it doesn't
apply to EDTA and coronary disease. How in th devil are you going to
know it worked? Have two serial angiograms? Serial spiral CTs?

Folks who try an oral EDTA chelation and end up feeling better
will know that such a product works.

Feeling better does NOT prove the product works.

Well it certainly proves it to those who feel better and lack critical
thinking skills. Proof is in the mind of the beholder. And when the
mind is crazed all bets are off.

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Chelation worked no
better than placebo in clinical trials -- which means that a lot of
the placebo people felt better, even though they weren't.

Ignorance is bliss. Believing that they felt better is proof enough to
them. And if the next day they drop dead due to failure of the
chelation to work, at least they were happy til the end.

Aloha,

Rich

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Best defense to logic is ignorance

I should gather up all your posts and show these porr people that your "show
me the money" statement is made in over 40% of your rants.

Show me ypu don't..

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Please provide peer-reviewed evidence that these things work.

You will also note that I provided additional evidence that chelation
doesn't work.

Jeff

(...)

Placebo. You were told....LOL

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Triniti said:

bias and deception. For example, as a result of a homeopathic remedy
passed on to me from my mom (RN with homeopathic certs), I haven't had a
cold since 1995 and I haven't had the flu since 1999. They were
completely cured and then prevented not just relieving the symptoms like
with OTC medications. My ex-wife and kids have all been sick several

Since I gave up consuming dairy products and drinking cow's milk
ten years ago, I have not had any common colds.

Please provide cites and referrences or other evidence that you are not
just a troll or even a complete [censored].

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Please provide evdience that the Quackwatch page I referenced is

incorrect.

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Or that article I from PubMed I also referenced.

Also, please help us follow the thread more easily by posting inline, not

at

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the top. It shows respect for your fellow readers.

Thanks.

Jeff

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"Pizza Girl." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Do you have any cites or sites to support your ridiculous rantings?

I don't have any "ridiculous rantings." However, I am able to support

my

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position that chelation therapy is dangerous and useless:

http://quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/chelation.html

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=10874275&dopt=Abstract

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Jeff

George. You still sore about losing the dairy arguments?

tisk...tisk...

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George Lagergren said:

Topic: EDTA

Pizza Girl. said:

I didn't know it could be taken orally. Is it as effective?

The health mailings say oral EDTA chelation capsules are

effective.

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Plus they have user comments about what the health benefits that the

oral

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EDTA capsules have proven to be.

COMMENT:

Well, then you'd better believe, them, hadn't you? (If you
automatically believe everything you see in print, why don't you
subscribe to the LANCET or something else which isn't full of
misinformation?)

Now that you've given up milk, it's only natural that you should take
to EDTA capsules with your food. There are some people who, when
presented with 4 possible correct choices, will still figure out how to
make the 5th wrong one.

Ommanipadme says her set of cremated ashes from a 200 lb person only
weighs 5 pounds. Either they lost some (always a problem with
mortuaries) or else whoever it was, was obese and thin-boned and/or
skimping on calcium too.

Perhaps YOU can shoot for having your cremains weigh only 3 pounds,
George. Sounds like you're well on the way. Pay no attention to the hip
fractures. Take the EDTA in your wheelchair. Go for it.

SBH

ooooops. wrong guy named....LOL

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Quoted message said:

George. You still sore about losing the dairy arguments?

tisk...tisk...

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George Lagergren said:

Topic: EDTA

"Pizza Girl." <[email hidden]> wrote:
> I didn't know it could be taken orally. Is it as effective?

The health mailings say oral EDTA chelation capsules are

effective.

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Plus they have user comments about what the health benefits that the

oral

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EDTA capsules have proven to be.

COMMENT:

Well, then you'd better believe, them, hadn't you? (If you
automatically believe everything you see in print, why don't you
subscribe to the LANCET or something else which isn't full of
misinformation?)

Now that you've given up milk, it's only natural that you should take
to EDTA capsules with your food. There are some people who, when
presented with 4 possible correct choices, will still figure out how to
make the 5th wrong one.

Ommanipadme says her set of cremated ashes from a 200 lb person only
weighs 5 pounds. Either they lost some (always a problem with
mortuaries) or else whoever it was, was obese and thin-boned and/or
skimping on calcium too.

Perhaps YOU can shoot for having your cremains weigh only 3 pounds,
George. Sounds like you're well on the way. Pay no attention to the hip
fractures. Take the EDTA in your wheelchair. Go for it.

SBH

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Quoted message said:

"Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com" <[email hidden]> wrote:
[in ref to EDTA & chelation]

Quoted message said:

Though I agree with your general point of view, presumably it doesn't
apply to EDTA and coronary disease. How in th devil are you going to
know it worked? Have two serial angiograms? Serial spiral CTs?

Folks who try an oral EDTA chelation and end up feeling better
will know that such a product works.

No they won't. If a lot of folks try EDTA in a controlled trial, and the
folks you try EDTA have significantly fewer heart attacks than those who
don't, then we will know it works.

One reason why people who take _______ (insert the name of any product
here)______ feel better is because they think they will. It is called the
placebo effect.

Jeff

In article <1124923358.ca94bad1ec2e8907445897b731f1696f@teranews>,

Pizza Girl. said:

Please provide cites and referrences or other evidence that you are not
just a troll or even a complete [censored].

You first. Based on previous evidence, you'll fail miserably.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If you meet the Buddha on the net, put him in your killfile."
-- Anon.

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Please provide evdience that the Quackwatch page I referenced is

incorrect.

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Or that article I from PubMed I also referenced.

Also, please help us follow the thread more easily by posting inline, not

at

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the top. It shows respect for your fellow readers.

Thanks.

Jeff

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"Jeff" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>
> "Pizza Girl." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> news:1124753819.07fbd7db12114fbed1ee8095667f01c5@teranews...
> > Do you have any cites or sites to support your ridiculous rantings?
>
> I don't have any "ridiculous rantings." However, I am able to support

my

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> position that chelation therapy is dangerous and useless:
>
> http://quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/chelation.html
>
>

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=10874275&dopt=Abstract

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>
> Jeff
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>

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"Triniti" <[email hidden]> wrote:
bias and deception. For example, as a result of a homeopathic remedy
passed on to me from my mom (RN with homeopathic certs), I haven't had a
cold since 1995 and I haven't had the flu since 1999. They were
completely cured and then prevented not just relieving the symptoms like
with OTC medications. My ex-wife and kids have all been sick several

Quoted message said:

"George Lagergren" <[email hidden]> replied:
Since I gave up consuming dairy products and drinking cow's milk
ten years ago, I have not had any common colds.

Pizza Girl. said:

Placebo. You were told....LOL

So it is always the "placebo effect" when one switches from
sickness mode to wellness mode by eliminating sugar; by eliminating dairy
(including cow's milk) products; and by eliminating soda pop from their
diet, right?

I have already presented my single case. I have more that I have seen
personally

And what have you presented and at which point in ths htread did you decide
to start trolling?

Tell us what ya' got?

Nothing?

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Quoted message said:

In article <1124923358.ca94bad1ec2e8907445897b731f1696f@teranews>,

Pizza Girl. said:

Please provide cites and referrences or other evidence that you are not
just a troll or even a complete [censored].

You first. Based on previous evidence, you'll fail miserably.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If you meet the Buddha on the net, put him in your killfile."
-- Anon.

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"Jeff" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Please provide evdience that the Quackwatch page I referenced is

incorrect.

Quoted message said:

Or that article I from PubMed I also referenced.

Also, please help us follow the thread more easily by posting inline,

not

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

at

Quoted message said:

the top. It shows respect for your fellow readers.

Thanks.

Jeff

> "Jeff" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Pizza Girl." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>> news:1124753819.07fbd7db12114fbed1ee8095667f01c5@teranews...
>> > Do you have any cites or sites to support your ridiculous

rantings?

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>>
>> I don't have any "ridiculous rantings." However, I am able to

support

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my

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>> position that chelation therapy is dangerous and useless:
>>
>> http://quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/chelation.html
>>
>>
>

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&am

p;list_uids=10874275&dopt=Abstract

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>> Jeff
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Let's see you prove you are human.

<PLONK>

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"George Lagergren" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com" <[email hidden]> wrote:
[in ref to EDTA & chelation]

Quoted message said:

Though I agree with your general point of view, presumably it doesn't
apply to EDTA and coronary disease. How in th devil are you going to
know it worked? Have two serial angiograms? Serial spiral CTs?

Folks who try an oral EDTA chelation and end up feeling

better

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

will know that such a product works.

No they won't. If a lot of folks try EDTA in a controlled trial, and the
folks you try EDTA have significantly fewer heart attacks than those who
don't, then we will know it works.

One reason why people who take _______ (insert the name of any product
here)______ feel better is because they think they will. It is called the
placebo effect.

Jeff