Ed, define "Liberal"

Edward Dolan said:

I believe both you and Tom thought it was just fine and dandy that homos
exist. That is a politically correct liberal opinion, is it not?

Sorry Eddie, I know many conservatives who think it's OK to be gay.
Let me repeat, Eddie, there are some conservatives who think it's OK to
be gay, some real conservative conservatives! That alone does not make
me a "liberal," except maybe in some simple minds.

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If you agree with Tom that homos should exist,

It's not "should" but "do." You, a former Catholic altar boy, exist
don't you?

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then you will also agree with him that the Iraq War was a mistake.

Saddam Hussain needed to be removed. There I said it. And that's all
the further on this forum I'm going.

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You never deny any of my accusations.

You "never" bother to read for content. No wonder why your career as a
librarian was so short.

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Incidentally, I would like to know if you are now or have ever been a member
of the Communist Party?

No.

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I know he is as one with Tom. They both think it
is fine and dandy to be a [censored].

I don't know anyone who thinks it's "fine and dandy to be a [censored]." The
few gays I know would certainly disagree with your statement. Each
would love to be straight.

I always wonder why someone like you can be so homophobic:

Former Catholic altar boy?
(Opps! Sorry! That would be pedofile not homosexual!)

Closet-homosexual yourself?

In denial?

You sure are infatuated with "homos."

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Why can't he be a good Lutheran from Lake Wobegon instead of a confounded
Minnesota liberal. This is the worst kind of liberal in the entire world and
has produced numerous numskulls who thought they should be president. Thank
God none of them ever made it to the White House, no thanks to Perry Butler.

I'm not Lutheran, from Lake Wobegon, or a "Minnesota Liberal." The
Edward Kennedy's AND the Eddie Dolan's are one in the same; you two
just went around the circle in different directions to land in the same
spot.

But let's talk about "you." Again, the main point being, "Let's face
it Eddie, your mind is so shallow that a "liberal," to you, is "anyone
who disagrees with you." I can imagine this was the definition used by
your mommy and daddy. Yes Eddie, this is a simple definition befitting
of you! "

Gee Eddie, do you think you can actually address the above paragraph or
did you fail English 101. So far you've failed English 101. Remember,
we're talking about YOU.

It's also easy to see why you were a failure to society.

Enjoy your closet,

Perry B

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Edward Dolan said:

I believe both you and Tom thought it was just fine and dandy that homos
exist. That is a politically correct liberal opinion, is it no

Sorry Eddie, I know many conservatives who think it's OK to be gay.
Let me repeat, Eddie, there are some conservatives who think it's OK to
be gay, some real conservative conservatives! That alone does not make
me a "liberal," except maybe in some simple minds.

Conservatives who are [censored] at least have some shame about it but not
liberals like you. No, you crow about how it is OK to be a [censored], never once
condemning it. That is the difference and it is all the difference in the
world.

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If you agree with Tom that homos should exist,

It's not "should" but "do." You, a former Catholic altar boy, exist
don't you?

But I condemn their existence and you don't. I am judgmental on the matter
and you aren't. Again, that is the difference and it is all the difference
in the world.

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then you will also agree with him that the Iraq War was a mistake.

Saddam Hussain needed to be removed. There I said it. And that's all
the further on this forum I'm going.

I agree, the tyrant is gone and it is good riddance to him. The rest of the
world needs to thank God that the US exists. More nations like France and we
could kiss civilization farewell forever.

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You never deny any of my accusations.

You "never" bother to read for content. No wonder why your career as a
librarian was so short.

I freely choose what it is that I do or not do. I never allow myself to be
influenced by what others might think. Try it sometime yourself. It frees
you from some of the constraints of society which we are all subject to. I
would rather be free to do my own thing even if it results in me not
"succeeding". If I succeed in my own mind, than I am a crashing success.
[...]

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I know he is as one with Tom. They both think it
is fine and dandy to be a [censored].

I don't know anyone who thinks it's "fine and dandy to be a [censored]." The
few gays I know would certainly disagree with your statement. Each
would love to be straight.

Fully 95% of all gays freely choose that life style. They wallow in their
perversions. Read Gore Vidal if you want to know what homos are really like.
Andre Gide was another sad case, but he was French so what can you expect
from that quarter. Oscar Wilde was probably fairly typical of the breed.
Bottom line, nature would never create so many homos as it makes no sense
and is counterproductive to the long range interests of the species.

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I always wonder why someone like you can be so homophobic:

[...]

Nonsense. I like myself just fine. I just don't like Minnesota liberals like
you.

The rest of Perry Butler's post is just an ad hominem attack, something that
liberals are ever wont to do when all else fails them. I, the Great Ed
Dolan, would never stoop that low myself. My Greatness does not permit it.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Edward Dolan the Grate said:

...
I believe both you and Tom thought it was just fine and dandy that homos
exist....

I am opposed to [censored] sapiens propagating.

--
Tom Sherman - (In Transition)

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Edward Dolan the Grate said:

...
I believe both you and Tom thought it was just fine and dandy that homos
exist....

I am opposed to [censored] sapiens propagating.

Not only that, but the wrong breeds are propagating. The days of the West
are numbered because demography is destiny.

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Tom Sherman - (In Transition)

What are you transitioning to - a conservative perchance? "Johnny Sunset aka
Tom Sherman" stinks. I urge you to put some thought into your user name and
your signature.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

PS. Will the last person to post to ARBR please turn off the lights after
you leave.

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Edward Dolan wrote:

[...]

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Why can't he be a good Lutheran from Lake Wobegon instead of a confounded
Minnesota liberal. This is the worst kind of liberal in the entire world
and
has produced numerous numskulls who thought they should be president.
Thank
God none of them ever made it to the White House, no thanks to Perry
Butler.

I'm not Lutheran, from Lake Wobegon, or a "Minnesota Liberal." The
Edward Kennedy's AND the Eddie Dolan's are one in the same; you two
just went around the circle in different directions to land in the same
spot.

Here is an example of anti-Catholic and anti-Irish bias on the part of the
English Protestant Perry Butler. He does not mind defending homos, but he
has never gotten over the historic English resentment of the Irish. Too bad
for him that we Irish are alive and well and that the English are now
second-rate everywhere in the world.
[...]

Remember,

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we're talking about YOU.

I am only a pretext for talking about everything under the sun besides me.
Funny you haven't figured that out by now.

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It's also easy to see why you were a failure to society.

All teachers like yourself are in a sense failures. Those who can ... do,
those who can't ... teach. But the more telling point is your concern with
success and failure. That marks you as basically insecure, something that no
one has ever accused me of being. Please note my signature below.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

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Edward Dolan wrote:

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I'm not Lutheran, from Lake Wobegon, or a "Minnesota Liberal." The
Edward Kennedy's AND the Eddie Dolan's are one in the same; you two
just went around the circle in different directions to land in the same
spot.

Here is an example of anti-Catholic and anti-Irish bias on the part of the
English Protestant Perry Butler. He does not mind defending homos, but he
has never gotten over the historic English resentment of the Irish. Too bad
for him that we Irish are alive and well and that the English are now
second-rate everywhere in the world.

I'm Irish (McCall), Scottish, Danish, and Norwegian. Don't see where I
wrote anything anti-Irish. I just wrote how similar politically to
Edward Kennedy you are. Again, you did NOT read for content. I was
talking about politics not heritage. Are you sure you're a college
graduate?

Many of my friends are Catholic, and they too disagree with the
Catholic church's attitude toward pedofiles within the church. Does
being anti-pedofile make me a liberal?

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Remember, we're talking about YOU.

I am only a pretext for talking about everything under the sun besides me.
Funny you haven't figured that out by now.

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It's also easy to see why you were a failure to society.

All teachers like yourself are in a sense failures.

I really don't know what I failed at.

At least I can say I contributed my fair share to society. You merely
lived off mommy and daddys money. Not much to be proud of there!

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Those who can ... do,
those who can't ... teach.

And those who can't teach....work! Or suck off of society like you!

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But the more telling point is your concern with
success and failure.

Those who have had a career and have been a contributing member of
society ARE concerned with success and failure. Of course, a mommy and
daddy's boy, like yourself, never had to worry about success and
failure.

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But the more telling point is your concern with
success and failure. That marks you as basically insecure, something that no
one has ever accused me of being. Please note my signature below.

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Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Sorry Eddie, the way you use this forum shows your insecurity!

Your prolific number of posts shows your insecurity!

Your having to always have the last word shows your insecurity!

Your signature shows your insecurity!

Again, the main point being, "Let's face it Eddie, your mind is so
shallow that a "liberal," to you, is "anyone who disagrees with you." I
can imagine this was the definition used by your mommy and daddy. Yes
Eddie, this is a simple definition befitting of you! "

Enjoy,

Perry Butler

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Edward Dolan said:

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Edward Dolan wrote:

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I'm not Lutheran, from Lake Wobegon, or a "Minnesota Liberal." The
Edward Kennedy's AND the Eddie Dolan's are one in the same; you two
just went around the circle in different directions to land in the same
spot.

Here is an example of anti-Catholic and anti-Irish bias on the part of
the
English Protestant Perry Butler. He does not mind defending homos, but he
has never gotten over the historic English resentment of the Irish. Too
bad
for him that we Irish are alive and well and that the English are now
second-rate everywhere in the world.

I'm Irish (McCall), Scottish, Danish, and Norwegian. Don't see where I
wrote anything anti-Irish. I just wrote how similar politically to
Edward Kennedy you are. Again, you did NOT read for content. I was
talking about politics not heritage. Are you sure you're a college
graduate?

The Kennedys are perhaps the most famous Irish family in America of our
generation. Not only that, but they are Boston Irish. I mean, it doesn't get
any worse than that!

To compare me in any way with the Kennedys (other than the Irish thing)
marks you as "Haven't a Clue" kind of guy. Are you sure you are over 14
years old and have attained the age of reason? Kennedy has become a ranting
raving liberal lunatic. He shames himself and the Irish every time he opens
his big mouth. The wrong person drowned at Chappaquidic.

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Many of my friends are Catholic, and they too disagree with the
Catholic church's attitude toward pedofiles within the church. Does
being anti-pedofile make me a liberal?

No, it makes you a sane and sound person. The Catholic Church of course does
not want pedophiles in its ranks, but how the hell to keep them out when
almost all men are incapable of chastity and purity. Only Great Souls like
myself can attain this state of nirvana. I should have been a Catholic
priest myself. I would have been the scourge of God on this earth and, I
assure you, I would know exactly what to do with pedophiles.

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Remember, we're talking about YOU.

I am only a pretext for talking about everything under the sun besides
me.
Funny you haven't figured that out by now.

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It's also easy to see why you were a failure to society.

All teachers like yourself are in a sense failures.

I really don't know what I failed at.

You failed at knowing how to deal with someone so Great as Myself. This is
mostly a failure of the imagination, so you have lots of company. But I
would urge you to acquire an imagination if that is possible. Then you will
revere and indeed worship the very ground that I walk on because you will be
so overcome by My Greatness.

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At least I can say I contributed my fair share to society. You merely
lived off mommy and daddys money. Not much to be proud of there!

I am not into pride at all, just Greatness. Try to be more humble like me,
why don't you?

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Those who can ... do,
those who can't ... teach.

And those who can't teach....work! Or suck off of society like you!

Work is for servants and slaves like yourself. My Greatness will not permit
it. I am like God, pure consciousness that only delights in contemplating
Itself. Of course, if I were you, I can see where that would not be
possible. Perry Butler, like most men, is essentially a drudge. He works and
works like a donkey all of his life and then at the end of it wants to know
what it was all about. No wonder he resents Me and My Greatness!

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But the more telling point is your concern with
success and failure.

Those who have had a career and have been a contributing member of
society ARE concerned with success and failure. Of course, a mommy and
daddy's boy, like yourself, never had to worry about success and
failure.

Nonsense, you know you are a failure, All men know that much at least. Just
ask your wife and kids. They will tell you how great a failure you have been
if no one else will.

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But the more telling point is your concern with
success and failure. That marks you as basically insecure, something that
no
one has ever accused me of being. Please note my signature below.

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Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

Sorry Eddie, the way you use this forum shows your insecurity!

Your prolific number of posts shows your insecurity!

Your having to always have the last word shows your insecurity!

Your signature shows your insecurity!

[...]

Nope! All of the above shows just the opposite Very funny that you can't see
it. Only the truly secure can make fun of themselves in public.

Moreover, there is nothing wrong with my ego that becoming a god would not
cure. I am presently working on this and will let you know when the Great
Happening occurs. At that point I will expect to see a change in your
attitude towards me, one more of awe and reverence as will befit my new
status.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

PS. My signature is mainly in retaliation for Peter Clinch's (also of this
newsgroup) remarkably asinine signature which no one but me has ever
objected to. Since that was the case, I decided to come up with the best
signature ever. I think I have succeeded when I can even get a stodgy
stick-in-the-mud fellow like Perry Butler to comment on it.

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Edward Dolan said:

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Edward Dolan wrote:

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I'm not Lutheran, from Lake Wobegon, or a "Minnesota Liberal." The
Edward Kennedy's AND the Eddie Dolan's are one in the same; you two
just went around the circle in different directions to land in the same
spot.

Here is an example of anti-Catholic and anti-Irish bias on the part of
the
English Protestant Perry Butler. He does not mind defending homos, but he
has never gotten over the historic English resentment of the Irish. Too
bad
for him that we Irish are alive and well and that the English are now
second-rate everywhere in the world.

I'm Irish (McCall), Scottish, Danish, and Norwegian. Don't see where I
wrote anything anti-Irish. I just wrote how similar politically to
Edward Kennedy you are. Again, you did NOT read for content. I was
talking about politics not heritage. Are you sure you're a college
graduate?

[...]

But Perry Butler is not denying that he is Protestant. Therefore, I conclude
that even though he is Irish he is Protestant Irish. In other words,
essentially Scottish and not Irish at all.

Of course I realize all the world wants to be Irish, but if he is of that
Northern Variety, then he is Scottish. Did not the Scots come over to
Ireland many centuries ago and take over those counties in the North. That
is really what the conflict was about in Northern Ireland. It was not
religious, but ethnic. Religion was merely an easy identifier.

Truth to tell, no one likes the Scots, not even the Scots. They are like the
French that way. Even the French hate the French - and rightly so!

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

aka Perry Butler said:

...
At least I can say I contributed my fair share to society. You merely
lived off mommy and daddys money. Not much to be proud of there!

God chooses the most worthy to be born to affluent parents. This is why
God-fearing Republicans oppose ALL inheritance taxes - the taxes are an
affront to God.

The rich children deserve their wealth, and the poor children deserve
their poverty.

--
Tom Sherman

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aka Perry Butler said:

...
At least I can say I contributed my fair share to society. You merely
lived off mommy and daddys money. Not much to be proud of there!

God chooses the most worthy to be born to affluent parents. This is why
God-fearing Republicans oppose ALL inheritance taxes - the taxes are an
affront to God.

Rich Dems oppose inheritance taxes as much as rich Repubs. In fact, the only
people who are in favor of them are poor people regardless of political
party. I can assure you that Mr. Sherman would be opposed to inheritance
taxes too if he had any real money.

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The rich children deserve their wealth, and the poor children deserve
their poverty.

I stopped thinking of myself as a child about 60 years ago. Apparently, some
on this forum never do. Well, they are welcome to their infantile tantrums
and in the meantime the great ship of state (that's me) moves on and leaves
them in my wake.

It is quite enough to be taxed once on your income. Any more than that is an
affront to the intelligence. An inheritance tax is nothing but a tax on
death. It is like adding an insult to an injury. Now you know once again why
I am so Great and why the rest of you are such dwarfs.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

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aka Perry Butler said:

...
At least I can say I contributed my fair share to society. You merely
lived off mommy and daddys money. Not much to be proud of there!

God chooses the most worthy to be born to affluent parents. This is why
God-fearing Republicans oppose ALL inheritance taxes - the taxes are an
affront to God.

Rich Dems oppose inheritance taxes as much as rich Repubs. In fact, the
only people who are in favor of them are poor people regardless of
political party. I can assure you that Mr. Sherman would be opposed to
inheritance taxes too if he had any real money.

And we might add that Mr. Sherman would, with great certainly, also be
opposed to an inheritance tax if he stood any chance at all of inheriting
any real money from any one whether near or far.

The state lottery, I suspect, will be his best bet to riches.

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The rich children deserve their wealth, and the poor children deserve
their poverty.

I stopped thinking of myself as a child about 60 years ago. Apparently,
some on this forum never do. Well, they are welcome to their infantile
tantrums and in the meantime the great ship of state (that's me) moves on
and leaves them in my wake.

It is quite enough to be taxed once on your income. Any more than that is
an affront to the intelligence. An inheritance tax is nothing but a tax on
death. It is like adding an insult to an injury. Now you know once again
why I am so Great and why the rest of you are such dwarfs.

You are the Great one Ed. The rest of us are just dwarfs on your street.

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> ...
> At least I can say I contributed my fair share to society. You merely
> lived off mommy and daddys money. Not much to be proud of there!

God chooses the most worthy to be born to affluent parents. This is why
God-fearing Republicans oppose ALL inheritance taxes - the taxes are an
affront to God.

Rich Dems oppose inheritance taxes as much as rich Repubs. In fact, the
only people who are in favor of them are poor people regardless of
political party. I can assure you that Mr. Sherman would be opposed to
inheritance taxes too if he had any real money.

And we might add that Mr. Sherman would, with great certainly, also be
opposed to an inheritance tax if he stood any chance at all of inheriting
any real money from any one whether near or far.

The state lottery, I suspect, will be his best bet to riches.

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The rich children deserve their wealth, and the poor children deserve
their poverty.

I stopped thinking of myself as a child about 60 years ago. Apparently,
some on this forum never do. Well, they are welcome to their infantile
tantrums and in the meantime the great ship of state (that's me) moves on
and leaves them in my wake.

It is quite enough to be taxed once on your income. Any more than that is
an affront to the intelligence. An inheritance tax is nothing but a tax
on death. It is like adding an insult to an injury. Now you know once
again why I am so Great and why the rest of you are such dwarfs.

You are the Great one Ed. The rest of us are just dwarfs on your street.

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Hells Bells, a post to ARBR would not be complete if it did not include at
least one insult. I try not to limit my insults to specific individuals
however. I like to insult whole groups of people, yea, even complete nations
like France and Canada and the entire Muslim World. I don't think much of
Australia and the United Kingdom either, especially the Scots. Screw them
all!

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

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> At least I can say I contributed my fair share to society. You merely
> lived off mommy and daddys money. Not much to be proud of there!

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God chooses the most worthy to be born to affluent parents. This is why
God-fearing Republicans oppose ALL inheritance taxes - the taxes are an
affront to God.

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The rich children deserve their wealth, and the poor children deserve
their poverty.

Oh, one more thing. The bottom 50% of Federal Income Tax payers pay only
3.5% of the total income taxes, yet some of them have the nerve to
constantly mouth off about Bush's tax cuts to the "wealthiest Americans"
(the top 1% pay over 33% of the total!). It's just amazing how some of the
3.5 percenters think they are entitled to the earnings of others and that
it's just fine for themselves to pay next to nothing. I say these 3.5
percenters need to step up and start contributing their fair share of the
tax load.

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> [email hidden] aka Perry Butler wrote:
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>> At least I can say I contributed my fair share to society. You merely
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>
God chooses the most worthy to be born to affluent parents. This is why
God-fearing Republicans oppose ALL inheritance taxes - the taxes are an
affront to God.

Quoted message said:

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The rich children deserve their wealth, and the poor children deserve
their poverty.

Oh, one more thing. The bottom 50% of Federal Income Tax payers pay only
3.5% of the total income taxes, yet some of them have the nerve to
constantly mouth off about Bush's tax cuts to the "wealthiest Americans"
(the top 1% pay over 33% of the total!). It's just amazing how some of
the 3.5 percenters think they are entitled to the earnings of others and
that it's just fine for themselves to pay next to nothing. I say these
3.5 percenters need to step up and start contributing their fair share of
the tax load.

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Yes, the poor get a free ride in this country. They would literally starve
to death in any other country. But we take care of those who are unable to
take care for themselves. We are too good to them and they do not appreciate
all that we do for them. They are like ungrateful children. What the hell is
all this welfare for if not for them.

I say if the poor cannot get bread, then let me eat cake. Good Grief - I
thought all of this was settled centuries ago prior to the French
Revolution. Queen Antoinette - where are you when you are needed! Mr.
Sherman needs to be enlightened by Your Royal Highness.

Frankly, I just can't stand all these peasant types like Mr. Sherman who are
forever complaining about their lot in life. What ails them anyway? They
should be happy to just be alive by the grace of Great Ones like Myself and
Queen Antoinette.

On a serious note, I myself have been as poor as a church mouse all of my
life. But I am grateful to live in such a rich country where even the poor
live better than most others on the face of the earth. If I had wanted to be
rich, I would have done the things that you have to do in order to be rich.
But I chose to be poor because I wanted a life of leisure. That I have had
in rich measure and I have never regretted it.

To be poor in America is to be rich if you have the mental resources to know
what to do with your poorness. The most pitiful people I have ever known are
those who are aspiring to wealth. I sometimes feel so sorry for them that I
want to weep at their childishness. Don't they not know that all wealth is
of the mind?

Mr. Sherman is far richer than he realizes. He has a mind that he can put to
any use he fancies. You do not ever get any richer than that.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

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>> [email hidden] aka Perry Butler wrote:
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>>> At least I can say I contributed my fair share to society. You
>>> merely
>>> lived off mommy and daddys money. Not much to be proud of there!

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> God chooses the most worthy to be born to affluent parents. This is why
> God-fearing Republicans oppose ALL inheritance taxes - the taxes are an
> affront to God.

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> The rich children deserve their wealth, and the poor children deserve
> their poverty.

Oh, one more thing. The bottom 50% of Federal Income Tax payers pay only
3.5% of the total income taxes, yet some of them have the nerve to
constantly mouth off about Bush's tax cuts to the "wealthiest Americans"
(the top 1% pay over 33% of the total!). It's just amazing how some of
the 3.5 percenters think they are entitled to the earnings of others and
that it's just fine for themselves to pay next to nothing. I say these
3.5 percenters need to step up and start contributing their fair share of
the tax load.

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Yes, the poor get a free ride in this country. They would literally starve
to death in any other country. But we take care of those who are unable to
take care for themselves. We are too good to them and they do not
appreciate all that we do for them. They are like ungrateful children.
What the hell is all this welfare for if not for them.

I say if the poor cannot get bread, then let me eat cake. Good Grief - I
thought all of this was settled centuries ago prior to the French
Revolution. Queen Antoinette - where are you when you are needed! Mr.
Sherman needs to be enlightened by Your Royal Highness.

Frankly, I just can't stand all these peasant types like Mr. Sherman who
are forever complaining about their lot in life. What ails them anyway?
They should be happy to just be alive by the grace of Great Ones like
Myself and Queen Antoinette.

On a serious note, I myself have been as poor as a church mouse all of my
life. But I am grateful to live in such a rich country where even the poor
live better than most others on the face of the earth. If I had wanted to
be rich, I would have done the things that you have to do in order to be
rich. But I chose to be poor because I wanted a life of leisure. That I
have had in rich measure and I have never regretted it.

To be poor in America is to be rich if you have the mental resources to
know what to do with your poorness. The most pitiful people I have ever
known are those who are aspiring to wealth. I sometimes feel so sorry for
them that I want to weep at their childishness. Don't they not know that
all wealth is of the mind?

Mr. Sherman is far richer than he realizes. He has a mind that he can put
to any use he fancies. You do not ever get any richer than that.

Ed's right - being poor in America is often a state of mind. His voluntary
poverty is fine with me as long as he doesn't rely on the state to fund his
lifestyle choice. Katrina was an example of all levels of government failing
the poor who had come to be dependent on the various agencies that serve
them. As a group the freed slaves after the civil war were far more capable
of caring for themselves than are our modern welfare classes. Many
immigrants, legal and otherwise, come to America with nothing and become
productive and self sufficient almost immediately. They don't sit around
and whine about how bad things are here. They have a very different state
of mind and it serves them well. One of these days one of them will
probably be Mr. Sherman's boss and have to deal with his workplace
complaints and his liberal/welfare mindset.

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Ed's right - being poor in America is often a state of mind. His
voluntary poverty is fine with me as long as he doesn't rely on the state
to fund his lifestyle choice. Katrina was an example of all levels of
government failing the poor who had come to be dependent on the various
agencies that serve them. As a group the freed slaves after the civil war
were far more capable of caring for themselves than are our modern welfare
classes. Many immigrants, legal and otherwise, come to America with
nothing and become productive and self sufficient almost immediately.
They don't sit around and whine about how bad things are here. They have
a very different state of mind and it serves them well. One of these days
one of them will probably be Mr. Sherman's boss and have to deal with his
workplace complaints and his liberal/welfare mindset.

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I was once a liberal like Mr. Sherman, maybe even further to the Left than
he is. But I learned a hard lesson when I was living in New York City back
in the 60's. I saw first hand how the welfare classes were living. My God,
it was nothing but parties, drunkenness and sex and in short, total
irresponsibility. I couldn't believe humans could behave so badly. And so I
out grew my liberalism and began to take note of how badly human nature is
flawed. In short, I became a conservative.

Mr. Sherman continues to believe that humans are better than I know them to
be. This is at the root of all liberal and progressive thinking. It really
comes down to what we think human nature is like. I have a very dark view of
human nature which does not make me happy, but it is always better to be a
realist about such matters and not trust to our better natures. Very many of
us do not have any better natures.

I should have been a pair of ragged claws
Scuttling across the floors of silent seas.

T.S. Eliot - The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

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...
And we might add that Mr. Sherman would, with great certainly, also be
opposed to an inheritance tax if he stood any chance at all of inheriting
any real money from any one whether near or far....

Willing to put your real name behind your statements, Anonymous Coward?

[Start sarcasm]
I would be so heartbroken if I were to only inherit $60,000,000.00
dollars I DID NOT EARN, instead of $100,000,000.00 I DID NOT EARN due
to inheritance taxes.
[End sarcasm]

If I did not have student loans to pay, I would be materially content
living off of $2,000.00/month (2006 dollars) and I live in one of the
more expensive areas of the US.

The upper classes do not even spend most of their money. There lust for
more is because they need a reason to feel superior, or in many cases,
having great wealth allows them to indulge their desire for power over
others.

--
Tom Sherman

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Oh, one more thing. The bottom 50% of Federal Income Tax payers pay only
3.5% of the total income taxes, yet some of them have the nerve to
constantly mouth off about Bush's tax cuts to the "wealthiest Americans"
(the top 1% pay over 33% of the total!). It's just amazing how some of the
3.5 percenters think they are entitled to the earnings of others and that
it's just fine for themselves to pay next to nothing. I say these 3.5
percenters need to step up and start contributing their fair share of the
tax load.

Yet somehow the rich get richer in the US, while real wages for the
WORKING middle class continue to fall, even though their productivity
is increasing. How can that be, if the tax burden on the rich is so
onerous?

In the 19th Century US, work was respected, while those who lived off
unearned income were considered parasites to society. This has changed,
since the mass media (owned primarily by those who have considerable
unearned income) and preachers who pander to the wealthy have been
brainwashing the populace with the heretical idea that riches are a
reward for moral character.

--
Tom Sherman

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...One of these days one of them will probably be Mr. Sherman's boss and have to deal
with his workplace complaints and his liberal/welfare mindset.

Yep, lots of complaints about the days when I was the first person to
work and the last to leave. More complaints about how I have worked
more weekend days (on salary with no additional compensation, not on
overtime pay) than I have taken in vacation. Even more complaints when
I have canceled appointments and planned non-work activities to work on
unexpected rush projects.

I did get in trouble for working a 16-hour shift once when there was a
huge backlog of rejected bottles to grind at the factory I was working
at, since they had to pay me $6.90/hour [1] instead of $4.60/hour (when
minimum wage was $4.25/hour). Oh my God, $18.40 LESS PROFIT to the
multi-millionaire owner.

[1] With NO benefits.

--
Tom Sherman

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Oh, one more thing. The bottom 50% of Federal Income Tax payers pay only
3.5% of the total income taxes, yet some of them have the nerve to
constantly mouth off about Bush's tax cuts to the "wealthiest Americans"
(the top 1% pay over 33% of the total!). It's just amazing how some of
the
3.5 percenters think they are entitled to the earnings of others and that
it's just fine for themselves to pay next to nothing. I say these 3.5
percenters need to step up and start contributing their fair share of the
tax load.

Yet somehow the rich get richer in the US, while real wages for the
WORKING middle class continue to fall, even though their productivity
is increasing. How can that be, if the tax burden on the rich is so
onerous?

All real work is being sent overseas. All we are doing in this country is
taking in each other's wash. Nothing but services, services, services.

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In the 19th Century US, work was respected, while those who lived off
unearned income were considered parasites to society. This has changed,
since the mass media (owned primarily by those who have considerable
unearned income) and preachers who pander to the wealthy have been
brainwashing the populace with the heretical idea that riches are a
reward for moral character.

Well, even the parasites have to invest their money in productive
enterprises or they will lose it in the end. There is really no such thing
as unearned income. Someone had to earn it at one time or another and then
it gets invested or it withers away in a single generation usually.

Another thing that has changed greatly is that journalists and others
working in the mass media are now also rather well off. They continue to
espouse liberal views, but not with the ardor of old. They come across more
and more as the hypocrites that they are. But that is pretty much what has
happened to the entire Democratic Party. What the country needs is a grass
roots populism not connected to either party.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota