Eco terrorist Mike's friend caught.



On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 06:16:24 -0800, "GaryG" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:eek:[email protected]...
>> On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 20:39:02 -0500, "S Curtiss" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> >news:[email protected]...
>> >> On Sat, 3 Feb 2007 17:59:52 -0800, "Bill Sornson" <[email protected]>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>J wrote:
>> >>>> http://www.lubbockonline.com/stories/020207/loc_020207074.shtml
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Good Job to the citizen, not police that caught this guy.
>> >>>
>> >>>The guy needs to have the book thrown at him. Attempted murder
>included.
>> >>
>> >> Why? Mountain bikers murder horses and wildlife every day, and think
>> >> nothing of it.
>> >
>> >"Murder"...? Murder is premeditated. One story you posted some time back
>was
>> >an accident involving equestrians and cyclists meeting on a trail and was
>> >reported with skewed language
>> >referring to the bicycles as a "strange metal beast". The other openly
>> >refers to the MAJORITY of cyclists as responsible taking into account the
>> >unjustified categorizing of ALL cyclists.
>> >
>> >Both incidents were reported originally as unfortunate and accidents. Yet
>> >you interject "murder"...?
>>
>> By riding without regard to the safety of wildlife and other people,
>> mountain bikers deliberately kill them. That's murder.
>
>By driving without regard to the safety of wildlife and other people,
>drivers deliberately kill them. That's murder.
>
>By working without regard to the safety of wildlife and other people,
>workers deliberately kill them. That's murder.
>
>Interesting how your twisted mind sees "murder" where everyone else
>(including the legal system) sees "accident".

Reckless riding is not an accident. DUH!

>GG
>
>>
>> >And this to justify a terrorist whose actions could have killed and did
>> >cause serious injury to human beings...?
>> >
>> >PATHETIC!!!!!!
>> >
>> >
>> ===
>> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
>> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>>
>> Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are
>fond of!
>>
>> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
 
"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 5 Feb 2007 23:21:35 -0800, "Beej" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Feb 5, 5:41 pm, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> >Besides, if you can't see the difference between killing a snake and a
>>> >human, you certainly belong in a padded room.
>>>
>>> In the case of mountain bikers, what IS the difference, except that
>>> the snake is beneficial, and the mountain biker is just destructive?
>>
>>One of them is covered by California Penal Code section 187, and the
>>other is not.
>
> One of them is covered by the ESA, and the other one is covered by
> vermin statutes.

Unless the snake is Federally listed as either an Endangered or Threatened
Species then it is not covered under the Endangered Species Act.
 
"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:eek:[email protected]...
> On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 20:39:02 -0500, "S Curtiss" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>>
>>>>J wrote:
>>>>> http://www.lubbockonline.com/stories/020207/loc_020207074.shtml
>>>>>
>>>>> Good Job to the citizen, not police that caught this guy.
>>>>
>>>>The guy needs to have the book thrown at him. Attempted murder
>>>>included.
>>>
>>> Why? Mountain bikers murder horses and wildlife every day, and think
>>> nothing of it.
>>
>>"Murder"...? Murder is premeditated. One story you posted some time back
>>was
>>an accident involving equestrians and cyclists meeting on a trail and was
>>reported with skewed language
>>referring to the bicycles as a "strange metal beast". The other openly
>>refers to the MAJORITY of cyclists as responsible taking into account the
>>unjustified categorizing of ALL cyclists.
>>
>>Both incidents were reported originally as unfortunate and accidents. Yet
>>you interject "murder"...?
>
> By riding without regard to the safety of wildlife and other people,
> mountain bikers deliberately kill them. That's murder.
Your subjective and inclusive statement "mountain bikers deliberately kill
them" is simply an extension of your OPINION of off-road cycling and hardly
carries any meaning concerning the riding habits and conservation goals of
the off-road cycling community.
There is absolutely NO evidence gathered by any research that shows cyclists
are riding to deliberately kill anything.

Produce EVIDENCE from a scientific source showing all mountain bikers are on
the trail to deliberately kill anything, or by not doing so, acknowledge you
are simply lying and spouting an unfounded opinion generated by your own
hatred of the activity.
>
>>And this to justify a terrorist whose actions could have killed and did
>>cause serious injury to human beings...?
>>
>>PATHETIC!!!!!!
>>
 
"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:p[email protected]...
> On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 23:27:01 -0500, "S Curtiss" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>>>>>>> http://www.lubbockonline.com/stories/020207/loc_020207074.shtml
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Good Job to the citizen, not police that caught this guy.
>>>>>> The guy needs to have the book thrown at him. Attempted murder
>>>>>> included.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why? Mountain bikers murder horses and wildlife every day, and think
>>>>> nothing of it.
>>>>
>>>>Mountain bikers murder horses every day? Do you smoke crack?
>>>
>>> I know of several that were killed by mountain bikers speeding around
>>> blind turns and forcing them off a cliff.
>>"several..."? Liar. You have two stories on your site. They were both
>>originally reported as accidents on shared trails. "Murder" is
>>premeditated.
>
> Not necessarily, which you well know, liar.
The term "murder" implies direct and purposefull intent to kill. The matter
of degree is decided through evidence.
The stories you posted on horses report no evidence of intent.
>
An accident is unfortunate. PATHETIC is your silly assumptions of "murder"
when the news stories list them as accidents.
>>>
>>>>Besides, if you can't see the difference between killing a snake and a
>>>>human, you certainly belong in a padded room.
>>>
>>> In the case of mountain bikers, what IS the difference, except that
>>> the snake is beneficial, and the mountain biker is just destructive?
>>You can't even provide actual and verifiable evidence of a snake killed by
>>a
>>mountain biker. Anything else you say is already suspect. (Has been for 10
>>years...)
>
> Answer the question.
There is no question - merely an assumption on your part that off-road
cycling is destructive.
The existence of a snake, or any beneficial qualities attributed to a snake,
has little to do with any qualities you choose to imply onto off-road
cyclists.
>
>>Besides... All you are doing is further aligning yourself with this
>>terrorist. No surprise there. either. You have praised trail terrorism and
>>booby-traps several times in the past. The only thing seperating you from
>>them is your cowardice to openly advocate it.
>>
 
On Feb 6, 8:49 am, "Pete Rissler" <[email protected]>
wrote:
> Unless the snake is Federally listed as either an Endangered or Threatened
> Species then it is not covered under the Endangered Species Act.

Yes, but if "more than 0" species are covered, it means that it's
"common" for species to be covered.

-Beej
 
In article <[email protected]>,
Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> By riding without regard to the safety of wildlife and other people,
> mountain bikers deliberately kill them. That's murder.
>

No MIkey, that is NOT Murder, it is Manslaughter, and that is a Totally
Different Offense.....

Just where did you get you DR of JurASSprudence.... LawSchools R' Us.....



> ===
> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>
> Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond
> of!
>
> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

Me a long time Mikey basher..........
 
"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 06:16:24 -0800, "GaryG" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:eek:[email protected]...
>>> On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 20:39:02 -0500, "S Curtiss" <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>> >"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> >news:[email protected]...
>>> >> On Sat, 3 Feb 2007 17:59:52 -0800, "Bill Sornson" <[email protected]>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>>J wrote:
>>> >>>> http://www.lubbockonline.com/stories/020207/loc_020207074.shtml
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Good Job to the citizen, not police that caught this guy.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>The guy needs to have the book thrown at him. Attempted murder
>>included.
>>> >>
>>> >> Why? Mountain bikers murder horses and wildlife every day, and think
>>> >> nothing of it.
>>> >
>>> >"Murder"...? Murder is premeditated. One story you posted some time
>>> >back
>>was
>>> >an accident involving equestrians and cyclists meeting on a trail and
>>> >was
>>> >reported with skewed language
>>> >referring to the bicycles as a "strange metal beast". The other openly
>>> >refers to the MAJORITY of cyclists as responsible taking into account
>>> >the
>>> >unjustified categorizing of ALL cyclists.
>>> >
>>> >Both incidents were reported originally as unfortunate and accidents.
>>> >Yet
>>> >you interject "murder"...?
>>>
>>> By riding without regard to the safety of wildlife and other people,
>>> mountain bikers deliberately kill them. That's murder.
>>
>>By driving without regard to the safety of wildlife and other people,
>>drivers deliberately kill them. That's murder.
>>
>>By working without regard to the safety of wildlife and other people,
>>workers deliberately kill them. That's murder.
>>
>>Interesting how your twisted mind sees "murder" where everyone else
>>(including the legal system) sees "accident".
>
> Reckless riding is not an accident. DUH!
>
>>GG
>>
>>>
>>> >And this to justify a terrorist whose actions could have killed and did
>>> >cause serious injury to human beings...?
>>> >
>>> >PATHETIC!!!!!!
>>> >
>>> >
>>> ===
>>> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>>> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
>>> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>>>
>>> Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are
>>fond of!
>>>
>>> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>>
> ===
> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>
> Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are
> fond of!
>
> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande

HA!

You guys keep feeding...................
 
On Feb 5, 12:57 pm, "Marty" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >"TJ" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> >http://www.lubbockonline.com/stories/020207/loc_020207074.shtml
>
> People like this goober never believe they are vulnerable. They believe they
> can set a trap like stretch a wire and if somebody gets hurt or worse that
> it ends there and they've made a statement in their cause. What they fail to
> understand (and yes this is fair warning) is that if they hurt someone in
> such a way there is a very good chance they will get "hurt back". I can
> guarantee you that if somebody stretches a wire and hurts one my own in such
> a way he's written his own ticket to a bad place.
>
> Marty


Damn Skippy!

JD
 
On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 08:49:49 -0800, "Pete Rissler"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On 5 Feb 2007 23:21:35 -0800, "Beej" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>On Feb 5, 5:41 pm, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> >Besides, if you can't see the difference between killing a snake and a
>>>> >human, you certainly belong in a padded room.
>>>>
>>>> In the case of mountain bikers, what IS the difference, except that
>>>> the snake is beneficial, and the mountain biker is just destructive?
>>>
>>>One of them is covered by California Penal Code section 187, and the
>>>other is not.
>>
>> One of them is covered by the ESA, and the other one is covered by
>> vermin statutes.
>
>Unless the snake is Federally listed as either an Endangered or Threatened
>Species then it is not covered under the Endangered Species Act.

You still haven't answer the question: what's the difference between a
beneficial snake & a destructive mountain biker?
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
 
On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 11:57:59 -0500, "S Curtiss" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:eek:[email protected]...
>> On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 20:39:02 -0500, "S Curtiss" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>>>J wrote:
>>>>>> http://www.lubbockonline.com/stories/020207/loc_020207074.shtml
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Good Job to the citizen, not police that caught this guy.
>>>>>
>>>>>The guy needs to have the book thrown at him. Attempted murder
>>>>>included.
>>>>
>>>> Why? Mountain bikers murder horses and wildlife every day, and think
>>>> nothing of it.
>>>
>>>"Murder"...? Murder is premeditated. One story you posted some time back
>>>was
>>>an accident involving equestrians and cyclists meeting on a trail and was
>>>reported with skewed language
>>>referring to the bicycles as a "strange metal beast". The other openly
>>>refers to the MAJORITY of cyclists as responsible taking into account the
>>>unjustified categorizing of ALL cyclists.
>>>
>>>Both incidents were reported originally as unfortunate and accidents. Yet
>>>you interject "murder"...?
>>
>> By riding without regard to the safety of wildlife and other people,
>> mountain bikers deliberately kill them. That's murder.
>Your subjective and inclusive statement "mountain bikers deliberately kill
>them" is simply an extension of your OPINION of off-road cycling and hardly
>carries any meaning concerning the riding habits and conservation goals of
>the off-road cycling community.
>There is absolutely NO evidence gathered by any research that shows cyclists
>are riding to deliberately kill anything.
>
>Produce EVIDENCE from a scientific source showing all mountain bikers are on
>the trail to deliberately kill anything,

It's IMPOSSIBLE to mountain bike without killing animals & plants,
hence they are murderers: they do it deliberately. They should know
better.

or by not doing so, acknowledge you
>are simply lying and spouting an unfounded opinion generated by your own
>hatred of the activity.
>>
>>>And this to justify a terrorist whose actions could have killed and did
>>>cause serious injury to human beings...?
>>>
>>>PATHETIC!!!!!!
>>>
>
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
 
On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 20:22:22 GMT, Me <[email protected]> wrote:

>In article <[email protected]>,
> Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>> By riding without regard to the safety of wildlife and other people,
>> mountain bikers deliberately kill them. That's murder.
>>
>
>No MIkey, that is NOT Murder, it is Manslaughter,

"Manslaughter" to kill a snake? Boy, you sure are confused....

and that is a Totally
>Different Offense.....
>
>Just where did you get you DR of JurASSprudence.... LawSchools R' Us.....
>
>
>
>> ===
>> I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
>> humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
>> years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)
>>
>> Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond
>> of!
>>
>> http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
>
>Me a long time Mikey basher..........
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
 
"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 08:49:49 -0800, "Pete Rissler"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>> On 5 Feb 2007 23:21:35 -0800, "Beej" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Feb 5, 5:41 pm, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> >Besides, if you can't see the difference between killing a snake and
>>>>> >a
>>>>> >human, you certainly belong in a padded room.
>>>>>
>>>>> In the case of mountain bikers, what IS the difference, except that
>>>>> the snake is beneficial, and the mountain biker is just destructive?
>>>>
>>>>One of them is covered by California Penal Code section 187, and the
>>>>other is not.
>>>
>>> One of them is covered by the ESA, and the other one is covered by
>>> vermin statutes.
>>
>>Unless the snake is Federally listed as either an Endangered or Threatened
>>Species then it is not covered under the Endangered Species Act.
>
> You still haven't answer the question: what's the difference between a
> beneficial snake & a destructive mountain biker?

The number of letters? Perhaps the spelling? Your turn, what is the correct
answer.
 
"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 11:57:59 -0500, "S Curtiss" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:eek:[email protected]...
>>> On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 20:39:02 -0500, "S Curtiss" <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>J wrote:
>>>>>>> http://www.lubbockonline.com/stories/020207/loc_020207074.shtml
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Good Job to the citizen, not police that caught this guy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The guy needs to have the book thrown at him. Attempted murder
>>>>>>included.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why? Mountain bikers murder horses and wildlife every day, and think
>>>>> nothing of it.
>>>>
>>>>"Murder"...? Murder is premeditated. One story you posted some time back
>>>>was
>>>>an accident involving equestrians and cyclists meeting on a trail and
>>>>was
>>>>reported with skewed language
>>>>referring to the bicycles as a "strange metal beast". The other openly
>>>>refers to the MAJORITY of cyclists as responsible taking into account
>>>>the
>>>>unjustified categorizing of ALL cyclists.
>>>>
>>>>Both incidents were reported originally as unfortunate and accidents.
>>>>Yet
>>>>you interject "murder"...?
>>>
>>> By riding without regard to the safety of wildlife and other people,
>>> mountain bikers deliberately kill them. That's murder.
>>Your subjective and inclusive statement "mountain bikers deliberately
>>kill
>>them" is simply an extension of your OPINION of off-road cycling and
>>hardly
>>carries any meaning concerning the riding habits and conservation goals of
>>the off-road cycling community.
>>There is absolutely NO evidence gathered by any research that shows
>>cyclists
>>are riding to deliberately kill anything.
>>
>>Produce EVIDENCE from a scientific source showing all mountain bikers are
>>on
>>the trail to deliberately kill anything,
>
> It's IMPOSSIBLE to mountain bike without killing animals & plants,
> hence they are murderers: they do it deliberately. They should know
> better.

It's IMPOSSIBLE (by your standards) to participate in any activity (on road
or off, in the city or country, even while sitting at your computer) without
killing animals & plants,


> hence they are murderers: they do it deliberately. They should know
> better.

>
> or by not doing so, acknowledge you
>>are simply lying and spouting an unfounded opinion generated by your own
>>hatred of the activity.
>>>
>>>>And this to justify a terrorist whose actions could have killed and did
>>>>cause serious injury to human beings...?
>>>>
>>>>PATHETIC!!!!!!
>>>>
>>
 
"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 11:57:59 -0500, "S Curtiss" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>>>>>>>J wrote:
>>>>>>> http://www.lubbockonline.com/stories/020207/loc_020207074.shtml
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Good Job to the citizen, not police that caught this guy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The guy needs to have the book thrown at him. Attempted murder
>>>>>>included.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why? Mountain bikers murder horses and wildlife every day, and think
>>>>> nothing of it.
>>>>
>>>>"Murder"...? Murder is premeditated. One story you posted some time back
>>>>was
>>>>an accident involving equestrians and cyclists meeting on a trail and
>>>>was
>>>>reported with skewed language
>>>>referring to the bicycles as a "strange metal beast". The other openly
>>>>refers to the MAJORITY of cyclists as responsible taking into account
>>>>the
>>>>unjustified categorizing of ALL cyclists.
>>>>
>>>>Both incidents were reported originally as unfortunate and accidents.
>>>>Yet
>>>>you interject "murder"...?
>>>
>>> By riding without regard to the safety of wildlife and other people,
>>> mountain bikers deliberately kill them. That's murder.
>>Your subjective and inclusive statement "mountain bikers deliberately
>>kill
>>them" is simply an extension of your OPINION of off-road cycling and
>>hardly
>>carries any meaning concerning the riding habits and conservation goals of
>>the off-road cycling community.
>>There is absolutely NO evidence gathered by any research that shows
>>cyclists
>>are riding to deliberately kill anything.
>>
>>Produce EVIDENCE from a scientific source showing all mountain bikers are
>>on
>>the trail to deliberately kill anything,
>
> It's IMPOSSIBLE to mountain bike without killing animals & plants,
> hence they are murderers: they do it deliberately. They should know
> better.
You provide an OPINION. Provide evidence and PROOF that off-road cyclists
deliberately kill anything. The "deliberate" activity of riding is not the
same thing as the "deliberate" activity of killing. You have yet to provide
anything that proves all off-road cyclists ride in such a way that death is
a by-product of any higher incidence than any other activity. You have only
posted extreme instances highlighting unfortunate accidents or a renegade
minority of the whole of the otherwise respectfull majority.
*Either respond to the total context, or by not doing so, acknowledge that
the context is true.

>
> or by not doing so, acknowledge you
>>are simply lying and spouting an unfounded opinion generated by your own
>>hatred of the activity.
No evidence from a scientific source. Only split context to spout your
opinion. Therefore it is taken as fact you can not provide scientific
foundation for your statements.
>>>
>>>>And this to justify a terrorist whose actions could have killed and did
>>>>cause serious injury to human beings...?
>>>>
>>>>PATHETIC!!!!!!
>>>>
 
"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 15:57:10 -0500, "Marty" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> Yes, we know mountain bikers think VIOLENCE is the answer to all their
> problems.
>

We? You have a mouse in your pocket? You make me laugh.

It's really not that complicated.

BTW, I'm not a mountain biker right now. I'm riding a chair. So that makes
me a violent chair rider. In a minute I'm getting more coffee...............

Marty
 
On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 01:56:43 GMT, "RpJ" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 08:49:49 -0800, "Pete Rissler"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>> On 5 Feb 2007 23:21:35 -0800, "Beej" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Feb 5, 5:41 pm, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>> >Besides, if you can't see the difference between killing a snake and
>>>>>> >a
>>>>>> >human, you certainly belong in a padded room.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In the case of mountain bikers, what IS the difference, except that
>>>>>> the snake is beneficial, and the mountain biker is just destructive?
>>>>>
>>>>>One of them is covered by California Penal Code section 187, and the
>>>>>other is not.
>>>>
>>>> One of them is covered by the ESA, and the other one is covered by
>>>> vermin statutes.
>>>
>>>Unless the snake is Federally listed as either an Endangered or Threatened
>>>Species then it is not covered under the Endangered Species Act.
>>
>> You still haven't answer the question: what's the difference between a
>> beneficial snake & a destructive mountain biker?
>
>The number of letters? Perhaps the spelling? Your turn, what is the correct
>answer.

A snake is beneficial. A mountain biker is only destructive. DUH!
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
 
On Feb 8, 8:34 am, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
> A mountain biker is only destructive.

What about mountain bikers who aren't riding mountain bikes?

-Beej
 
On 8 Feb 2007 13:47:00 -0800, "Beej" <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Feb 8, 8:34 am, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
>> A mountain biker is only destructive.
>
>What about mountain bikers who aren't riding mountain bikes?

Then they are probably destrroying somehting else, equally selfishly.

>-Beej
===
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
 
"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Thu, 08 Feb 2007 13:45:44 -0800, cc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>>>> You still haven't answered the question: " In the case of mountain
>>>>> bikers, what IS the difference, except that the snake is beneficial,
>>>>> and the mountain biker is just destructive?". Admit it: you CAN'T.
There is no question. Any qualities, beneficial or not, that you choose to
imply onto a snake has no reference to any qualities you choose to imply
onto "mountain bikers".
The snake is destructive in as much as it kills and moves. How do you
measure "beneficial"? Beneficial to it's prey? Beneficial to it's
surroundings? Beneficial to humans?
Your statement that the "mountain biker is just destructive" is a statement
made from your opinion of "mountain bikers". The ONLY difference you seem to
care about is that the snake does not ride a bicycle and that simple fact is
obvious and nonsense.
Your attempts to force attention away from the FACTS of the case is also
obvious.
It is FACT this man was purposefully rigging trails in such a way as to
cause injury.
It is FACT this man's activities can be classified as terrorism.
It is FACT he was breaking the law.

Any implications you make towards the activities of cyclists while riding
are a non-issue as off-road cycling is legal and recognized. Your OPINION
has no weight in the matter

>>>>> ===
>>>> Can you read? The snake is not HUMAN.
>>>
>>> So what? What's the DIFFERENCE between them? DUH!
>>
>>Are you seriously that stupid? They DIFFER in that one is a REPTILE and
>>one is HUMAN.
>
> That is a category, not a difference.

Using the Vandeman Dictionary for your definitions again, I see....
 
"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 20:22:22 GMT, Me <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>In article <[email protected]>,
>> Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> By riding without regard to the safety of wildlife and other people,
>>> mountain bikers deliberately kill them. That's murder.
>>>
>>
>>No MIkey, that is NOT Murder, it is Manslaughter,
>
> "Manslaughter" to kill a snake? Boy, you sure are confused....

"Murder"...? To kill a snake....? Boy, you sure are confused....
It is the same line of logic, Mikey. You said "murder" when referring to
killing something (that you can't even prove) when the term "murder" refers
to the killing of another person.
>
 
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