"I care about nature. That's why I ride a bike." Note that the
reporter didn't challenge this ABSURD statement. That's irresponsbile
journalism. Mountain biking is DESTRUCTION of nature. DUH!
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Mike Vandeman wrote:
> On Sat, 3 Feb 2007 17:59:52 -0800, "Bill Sornson" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> J wrote:
>>> http://www.lubbockonline.com/stories/020207/loc_020207074.shtml
>>>
>>> Good Job to the citizen, not police that caught this guy.
>> The guy needs to have the book thrown at him. Attempted murder included.
>
> Why? Mountain bikers murder horses and wildlife every day, and think
> nothing of it.
Mountain bikers murder horses every day? Do you smoke crack?
Besides, if you can't see the difference between killing a snake and a
human, you certainly belong in a padded room.
People like this goober never believe they are vulnerable. They believe they
can set a trap like stretch a wire and if somebody gets hurt or worse that
it ends there and they've made a statement in their cause. What they fail to
understand (and yes this is fair warning) is that if they hurt someone in
such a way there is a very good chance they will get "hurt back". I can
guarantee you that if somebody stretches a wire and hurts one my own in such
a way he's written his own ticket to a bad place.
"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sat, 3 Feb 2007 17:59:52 -0800, "Bill Sornson" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>J wrote:
>>> http://www.lubbockonline.com/stories/020207/loc_020207074.shtml
>>>
>>> Good Job to the citizen, not police that caught this guy.
>>
>>The guy needs to have the book thrown at him. Attempted murder included.
>
> Why? Mountain bikers murder horses and wildlife every day, and think
> nothing of it.
"Murder"...? Murder is premeditated. One story you posted some time back was
an accident involving equestrians and cyclists meeting on a trail and was
reported with skewed language
referring to the bicycles as a "strange metal beast". The other openly
refers to the MAJORITY of cyclists as responsible taking into account the
unjustified categorizing of ALL cyclists.
Both incidents were reported originally as unfortunate and accidents. Yet
you interject "murder"...?
And this to justify a terrorist whose actions could have killed and did
cause serious injury to human beings...?
On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 10:40:11 -0800, cc <[email protected]> wrote:
>Mike Vandeman wrote:
>> On Sat, 3 Feb 2007 17:59:52 -0800, "Bill Sornson" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> J wrote:
>>>> http://www.lubbockonline.com/stories/020207/loc_020207074.shtml
>>>>
>>>> Good Job to the citizen, not police that caught this guy.
>>> The guy needs to have the book thrown at him. Attempted murder included.
>>
>> Why? Mountain bikers murder horses and wildlife every day, and think
>> nothing of it.
>
>Mountain bikers murder horses every day? Do you smoke crack?
I know of several that were killed by mountain bikers speeding around
blind turns and forcing them off a cliff.
>Besides, if you can't see the difference between killing a snake and a
>human, you certainly belong in a padded room.
In the case of mountain bikers, what IS the difference, except that
the snake is beneficial, and the mountain biker is just destructive?
>cc
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>>"TJ" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>>http://www.lubbockonline.com/stories/020207/loc_020207074.shtml
>
>People like this goober never believe they are vulnerable. They believe they
>can set a trap like stretch a wire and if somebody gets hurt or worse that
>it ends there and they've made a statement in their cause. What they fail to
>understand (and yes this is fair warning) is that if they hurt someone in
>such a way there is a very good chance they will get "hurt back". I can
>guarantee you that if somebody stretches a wire and hurts one my own in such
>a way he's written his own ticket to a bad place.
Yes, we know mountain bikers think VIOLENCE is the answer to all their
problems.
>Marty
>
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Mike Vandeman wrote:
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> wrote:
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>>> "TJ" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>> http://www.lubbockonline.com/stories/020207/loc_020207074.shtml
>> People like this goober never believe they are vulnerable. They believe they
>> can set a trap like stretch a wire and if somebody gets hurt or worse that
>> it ends there and they've made a statement in their cause. What they fail to
>> understand (and yes this is fair warning) is that if they hurt someone in
>> such a way there is a very good chance they will get "hurt back". I can
>> guarantee you that if somebody stretches a wire and hurts one my own in such
>> a way he's written his own ticket to a bad place.
>
> Yes, we know mountain bikers think VIOLENCE is the answer to all their
> problems.
>
you have any idea how hypocritical AND ironic that statement is? beating
the holy hell out of that toolbox would be hurting someone who is
trying to hurt others (and let me clarify HUMANS to avoid your obvious
retort), rather than someone doing something they have every right to
enjoy.
with the logic that you're doing justice for living things by hurting
the biker, you'd be much better off going after your politicians who are
doing damage on a larger scale. but logic is a foreign language to you.
"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 10:40:11 -0800, cc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>>> J wrote:
>>>>> http://www.lubbockonline.com/stories/020207/loc_020207074.shtml
>>>>>
>>>>> Good Job to the citizen, not police that caught this guy.
>>>> The guy needs to have the book thrown at him. Attempted murder
>>>> included.
>>>
>>> Why? Mountain bikers murder horses and wildlife every day, and think
>>> nothing of it.
>>
>>Mountain bikers murder horses every day? Do you smoke crack?
>
> I know of several that were killed by mountain bikers speeding around
> blind turns and forcing them off a cliff.
"several..."? Liar. You have two stories on your site. They were both
originally reported as accidents on shared trails. "Murder" is premeditated.
An accident is unfortunate. PATHETIC is your silly assumptions of "murder"
when the news stories list them as accidents.
>
>>Besides, if you can't see the difference between killing a snake and a
>>human, you certainly belong in a padded room.
>
> In the case of mountain bikers, what IS the difference, except that
> the snake is beneficial, and the mountain biker is just destructive?
You can't even provide actual and verifiable evidence of a snake killed by a
mountain biker. Anything else you say is already suspect. (Has been for 10
years...)
Besides... All you are doing is further aligning yourself with this
terrorist. No surprise there. either. You have praised trail terrorism and
booby-traps several times in the past. The only thing seperating you from
them is your cowardice to openly advocate it.
On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 20:39:02 -0500, "S Curtiss" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Sat, 3 Feb 2007 17:59:52 -0800, "Bill Sornson" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>J wrote:
>>>> http://www.lubbockonline.com/stories/020207/loc_020207074.shtml
>>>>
>>>> Good Job to the citizen, not police that caught this guy.
>>>
>>>The guy needs to have the book thrown at him. Attempted murder included.
>>
>> Why? Mountain bikers murder horses and wildlife every day, and think
>> nothing of it.
>
>"Murder"...? Murder is premeditated. One story you posted some time back was
>an accident involving equestrians and cyclists meeting on a trail and was
>reported with skewed language
>referring to the bicycles as a "strange metal beast". The other openly
>refers to the MAJORITY of cyclists as responsible taking into account the
>unjustified categorizing of ALL cyclists.
>
>Both incidents were reported originally as unfortunate and accidents. Yet
>you interject "murder"...?
By riding without regard to the safety of wildlife and other people,
mountain bikers deliberately kill them. That's murder.
>And this to justify a terrorist whose actions could have killed and did
>cause serious injury to human beings...?
>
>PATHETIC!!!!!!
>
>
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On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 23:27:01 -0500, "S Curtiss" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 10:40:11 -0800, cc <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>>> J wrote:
>>>>>> http://www.lubbockonline.com/stories/020207/loc_020207074.shtml
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Good Job to the citizen, not police that caught this guy.
>>>>> The guy needs to have the book thrown at him. Attempted murder
>>>>> included.
>>>>
>>>> Why? Mountain bikers murder horses and wildlife every day, and think
>>>> nothing of it.
>>>
>>>Mountain bikers murder horses every day? Do you smoke crack?
>>
>> I know of several that were killed by mountain bikers speeding around
>> blind turns and forcing them off a cliff.
>"several..."? Liar. You have two stories on your site. They were both
>originally reported as accidents on shared trails. "Murder" is premeditated.
Not necessarily, which you well know, liar.
>An accident is unfortunate. PATHETIC is your silly assumptions of "murder"
>when the news stories list them as accidents.
>>
>>>Besides, if you can't see the difference between killing a snake and a
>>>human, you certainly belong in a padded room.
>>
>> In the case of mountain bikers, what IS the difference, except that
>> the snake is beneficial, and the mountain biker is just destructive?
>You can't even provide actual and verifiable evidence of a snake killed by a
>mountain biker. Anything else you say is already suspect. (Has been for 10
>years...)
Answer the question.
>Besides... All you are doing is further aligning yourself with this
>terrorist. No surprise there. either. You have praised trail terrorism and
>booby-traps several times in the past. The only thing seperating you from
>them is your cowardice to openly advocate it.
>
>
>
>
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Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> I know of several that were killed by mountain bikers speeding around
> blind turns and forcing them off a cliff.
>
If a 1000 lb horse can be forced off a cliff by a 200 lb biker then that
horse should not have been on a steep public trail. My wife has horses and
she would never take one out on a trail that was even marginally dangerous
unless she trusted that horse with her life. Kirk.
On Feb 5, 5:41 pm, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
> >Besides, if you can't see the difference between killing a snake and a
> >human, you certainly belong in a padded room.
>
> In the case of mountain bikers, what IS the difference, except that
> the snake is beneficial, and the mountain biker is just destructive?
One of them is covered by California Penal Code section 187, and the
other is not.
"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news[email protected]...
> On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 20:39:02 -0500, "S Curtiss" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Mike Vandeman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]...
> >> On Sat, 3 Feb 2007 17:59:52 -0800, "Bill Sornson" <[email protected]>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>>J wrote:
> >>>> http://www.lubbockonline.com/stories/020207/loc_020207074.shtml
> >>>>
> >>>> Good Job to the citizen, not police that caught this guy.
> >>>
> >>>The guy needs to have the book thrown at him. Attempted murder
included.
> >>
> >> Why? Mountain bikers murder horses and wildlife every day, and think
> >> nothing of it.
> >
> >"Murder"...? Murder is premeditated. One story you posted some time back
was
> >an accident involving equestrians and cyclists meeting on a trail and was
> >reported with skewed language
> >referring to the bicycles as a "strange metal beast". The other openly
> >refers to the MAJORITY of cyclists as responsible taking into account the
> >unjustified categorizing of ALL cyclists.
> >
> >Both incidents were reported originally as unfortunate and accidents. Yet
> >you interject "murder"...?
>
> By riding without regard to the safety of wildlife and other people,
> mountain bikers deliberately kill them. That's murder.
By driving without regard to the safety of wildlife and other people,
drivers deliberately kill them. That's murder.
By working without regard to the safety of wildlife and other people,
workers deliberately kill them. That's murder.
Interesting how your twisted mind sees "murder" where everyone else
(including the legal system) sees "accident".
GG
>
> >And this to justify a terrorist whose actions could have killed and did
> >cause serious injury to human beings...?
> >
> >PATHETIC!!!!!!
> >
> >
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>
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>
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On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 06:29:42 GMT, Kirk Robertson <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote in
>news:[email protected]:
>
>> I know of several that were killed by mountain bikers speeding around
>> blind turns and forcing them off a cliff.
>>
>
>
>If a 1000 lb horse can be forced off a cliff by a 200 lb biker then that
>horse should not have been on a steep public trail. My wife has horses and
>she would never take one out on a trail that was even marginally dangerous
>unless she trusted that horse with her life. Kirk.
Idiot. The horses were frightened by the sudden appearance of the
biker. But you know that already, and just choose to LIE about it.
Absolutely typical of a mountain biker.
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On 5 Feb 2007 23:21:35 -0800, "Beej" <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Feb 5, 5:41 pm, Mike Vandeman <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >Besides, if you can't see the difference between killing a snake and a
>> >human, you certainly belong in a padded room.
>>
>> In the case of mountain bikers, what IS the difference, except that
>> the snake is beneficial, and the mountain biker is just destructive?
>
>One of them is covered by California Penal Code section 187, and the
>other is not.
One of them is covered by the ESA, and the other one is covered by
vermin statutes.
>That'll be $12, please.
>
>-Beej
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