Eccentric, Moi?

"Sandy Morton" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Stats don't come into the equation - nobody should drink and drive
anything with wheels or hooves. If you stagger off the pavement it's
your own fault.

Quite.

Cheers, helen s

Sandy Morton said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

wafflycat w*a*ff£y£cat*@£btco*nn£ect.com said:

I didn't mention stats at all. I simply said that I don't think
there's any excuse for being drunk in charge of cycle or motor. I'm
not excusing any group.

Stats don't come into the equation - nobody should drink and drive
anything with wheels or hooves. If you stagger off the pavement it's
your own fault.

But what about riding?

John B

Not Responding said:

Ah, yes. The ABD's favourite drink related stat; X% of peds killed on
the road are over the drink drive limit.

Of course noone expects peds to be drunk and staggering into the road,
especially around midnight. So there is no way the provisional RAC
would drive without due consideration for other road users,
irrespective of how young or drunk they may be.

Quoted message said:

Curiously, they never cite the fact that out of ped/driver/car
passenger/m'cyclist fatalities, cyclists have the lowest average blood
alcohol.

That's becasue we have spent all our money on shiny toys and are cheap
drunks..

...d

wafflycat said:

I didn't mention stats at all. I simply said that I don't think there's any
excuse for being drunk in charge of cycle or motor. I'm not excusing any
group.

Given that eighteen hours without sleep (Study published in Nature in
the late 90's) is equivalent in impairment of reaction times to being
at the drink drive limit, how about banning people who are not well
rested from being on the street. It has long been held that 'Baby on
Board' should not be read as 'please be careful of my car and child'
but instead 'WARNING! sleep deprived crabby parent on board with
hypersensitive emotions and rational impairment'

...d

David Martin said:

Given that eighteen hours without sleep (Study published in Nature in
the late 90's) is equivalent in impairment of reaction times to being
at the drink drive limit, how about banning people who are not well
rested from being on the street.

They should also be banned for an hour after they get up in the morning.
In the airline industry it is known as "sleep inertia" and you are
more likely to make mistakes in the hour after you wake up than in the
hour at the end of a long tiring day. Pilots on long haul multi-crew
flights have to have been awake for a minimum of one hour before taking
over the controls.

--
Tony

"The best way I know of to win an argument is to start by being in the
right."
- Lord Hailsham

Sandy Morton said:

Stats don't come into the equation - nobody should drink and drive
anything with wheels or hooves. If you stagger off the pavement it's
your own fault.

I would suggest that after 2 or 3 pints I am quite capable of cycling
safely home. At 15 mph any minor errors I make if any are not going to
kill other road users. !5 mph is slow enough foe an increased reaction
time not t matter much for example.
I would also be capable of driving home after 2 or 3 pints but any
minor errors are liable to injure or kill other road users if I am
driving a ton of metal at 60 mph. That's why one is illegal and the
other isn't.
I'm not suggesting anyone cycle home drunk but there is a difference
being over the legal blood/alcohol limit and being drunk.
By the way nobody has so far given any instance where a drunk
cyclist has caused anyone but himself injury.
Iain

Quoted message said:

Sandy Morton said:

Stats don't come into the equation - nobody should drink and drive
anything with wheels or hooves. If you stagger off the pavement it's
your own fault.

I would suggest that after 2 or 3 pints I am quite capable of cycling
safely home. At 15 mph any minor errors I make if any are not going to
kill other road users. !5 mph is slow enough foe an increased reaction
time not t matter much for example.

What's your limit for posting safely on urc, then?

Still, only 3 minor errors in the last sentence isn't too bad.

--
Ambrose