ECA w/celexa

ted said:

Are there any potential risks or serious side effects of going on the
stack while taking Celexa or other SSRIs? I know of the dangers with
MAOIs and some other drugs, however have found nothing of interest on
this topic and was wondering if anyone knew.
I have used ECA before - however not while I was on Celexa which I am
currently taking. I have noticed it is more difficult for me to lose
weight while taking the drug which is a shame because it seems to

have

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solved my "nervous stomach" issues which were a tremendous nusiance.

ECA= ephedra/caffeine/aspirin ... ephedra has been banned for hrrm
about a year now, where have you been? Thermogenics on the market now
are a bunch of other herbal [censored] that basically do nothing in
comparison. And btw to take a stimulant with an antidepressant
medication is just asking for a second helping of stupid.

<<joni>>

"joni" <[email hidden]> wrote

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ted said:

Are there any potential risks or serious side effects of going on the
stack while taking Celexa or other SSRIs? I know of the dangers with
MAOIs and some other drugs, however have found nothing of interest on
this topic and was wondering if anyone knew.
I have used ECA before - however not while I was on Celexa which I am
currently taking. I have noticed it is more difficult for me to lose
weight while taking the drug which is a shame because it seems to

have

Quoted message said:

solved my "nervous stomach" issues which were a tremendous nusiance.

ECA= ephedra/caffeine/aspirin ... ephedra has been banned for hrrm
about a year now, where have you been? Thermogenics on the market now
are a bunch of other herbal [censored] that basically do nothing in
comparison.

<broken record> Ephedra was banned. Pharmaceutical over-the-counter
ephedrine was not. </broken record>

Do you ever get anything right? Does being nearly always wrong bother you?

David

joni said:

ted said:

Are there any potential risks or serious side effects of going on

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stack while taking Celexa or other SSRIs? I know of the dangers

with

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MAOIs and some other drugs, however have found nothing of interest

on

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this topic and was wondering if anyone knew.
I have used ECA before - however not while I was on Celexa which I

am

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currently taking. I have noticed it is more difficult for me to

lose

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weight while taking the drug which is a shame because it seems to
have solved my "nervous stomach" issues which were a tremendous
nusiance.

ECA= ephedra/caffeine/aspirin ... ephedra has been banned for hrrm
about a year now, where have you been? Thermogenics on the market now
are a bunch of other herbal [censored] that basically do nothing in
comparison. And btw to take a stimulant with an antidepressant
medication is just asking for a second helping of stupid.

Speaking of "stupid," you really should know what you're talking about
before you start typing your responses. First, herbal ephedra was
banned by FDA rule. Pharmaceutical ephedrine has not been banned and
can be obtained without a prescription in most states. Second, the
risk of taking ephedrine with SSRIs is not the same as taking ephedrine
with MAOIs, for reasons I won't bother explaining. Let it suffice to
say that taking ephedrine with citalopram or any other SSRI is not
directly contraindicated, but anyone suffering from major depression
sufficient to obtain SSRI prescriptions should be careful about taking
ephedrine and caffeine due to the anxiogenic properties of that stack,
particularly in light of the frequent comorbidity of anxiety and major
depression.

joni said:

ted said:

Are there any potential risks or serious side effects of going on the
stack while taking Celexa or other SSRIs? I know of the dangers with
MAOIs and some other drugs, however have found nothing of interest on
this topic and was wondering if anyone knew.
I have used ECA before - however not while I was on Celexa which I am
currently taking. I have noticed it is more difficult for me to lose
weight while taking the drug which is a shame because it seems to

have

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solved my "nervous stomach" issues which were a tremendous nusiance.

ECA= ephedra/caffeine/aspirin ...

I'm proud of you for knowing that. However, I did say I had used the
stack before.

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ephedra has been banned for hrrm about a year now, where have you been?

Tell that to practically every gas station in town. Of course you get
expectorant with it, but whatever.

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Thermogenics on the market now
are a bunch of other herbal [censored] that basically do nothing in
comparison. And btw to take a stimulant with an antidepressant
medication is just asking for a second helping of stupid.

Well you provided the first helping to start me off, sweetheart.
Thanks for the useless answer.

JMW said:

Speaking of "stupid," you really should know what you're talking about
before you start typing your responses. First, herbal ephedra was
banned by FDA rule. Pharmaceutical ephedrine has not been banned and
can be obtained without a prescription in most states. Second, the
risk of taking ephedrine with SSRIs is not the same as taking ephedrine
with MAOIs, for reasons I won't bother explaining. Let it suffice to
say that taking ephedrine with citalopram or any other SSRI is not
directly contraindicated, but anyone suffering from major depression
sufficient to obtain SSRI prescriptions should be careful about taking
ephedrine and caffeine due to the anxiogenic properties of that stack,
particularly in light of the frequent comorbidity of anxiety and major
depression.

A useful response, thanks. I have actually considered dropping the
celexa because the only reason I am taking it is for stomach issues
upon suggestion from my doctor. It works but I have noticed some side
effects to the celexa that I am not fond of and I believe there might
be another way to deal with my stomach without taking an SSRI for it.
I could be wrong however, particularly if he is correct in assuming
that the stomach problems stem from anxiety, which I am otherwise
totally unaware of.

ted said:

"joni" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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Thermogenics on the market now
are a bunch of other herbal [censored] that basically do nothing in
comparison. And btw to take a stimulant with an antidepressant
medication is just asking for a second helping of stupid.

Well you provided the first helping to start me off, sweetheart.
Thanks for the useless answer.

She was providing a necessary MFW service. Someone has to assert
something stupid so that the people who know better will bother to chime
in with the right answer.

I'm just relieved that someone else took over the job.

Delenn

David Cohen said:

<broken record> Ephedra was banned. Pharmaceutical over-the-counter
ephedrine was not. </broken record>

Ephedra, commonly known as mahuang, is not (I dont care what you all
profess to know)the same as ephedrine in that it doesnt 'work' the
same. Otherwise everyone would be in the cold medicine aisle stocking
up on it. Ask anyone who has taken both (I have) and they dont begin to
compare in effectiveness. The original ECA stack was
ephedra/caffeine/aspirin, and its not longer available.

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Do you ever get anything right?

Ok Mr Perfect.

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Does being nearly always wrong bother you?

Not nearly so wrong as you usually are - just answered the OP's
original question, thats more than you usually do.

<<joni>>

Delenn said:

She was providing a necessary MFW service. Someone has to assert
something stupid so that the people who know better will bother to

chime

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in with the right answer.

Know better? Oh you mean the blowfarts on this board? Knowledge means
nothing if people dont share it and make fun of people instead.

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I'm just relieved that someone else took over the job.

Stressful moment eh? You should really have a life.

<<joni>>

joni said:

David Cohen said:

<broken record> Ephedra was banned. Pharmaceutical over-the-counter
ephedrine was not. </broken record>

Ephedra, commonly known as mahuang, is not (I dont care what you all
profess to know)the same as ephedrine in that it doesnt 'work' the
same. Otherwise everyone would be in the cold medicine aisle stocking
up on it. Ask anyone who has taken both (I have) and they dont begin to
compare in effectiveness. The original ECA stack was
ephedra/caffeine/aspirin, and its not longer available.

I think the reason most people aren't raiding the Bronkaid and
Primatine is that they simply don't know what's in it. Face it,
ignorance is pretty common, as you should know.

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Do you ever get anything right?

Ok Mr Perfect.

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Does being nearly always wrong bother you?

Not nearly so wrong as you usually are - just answered the OP's
original question, thats more than you usually do.

<<joni>>

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Proton Soup

"And all this peace has been deceiving,
I need some wind to get me sailing"

joni said:

David Cohen said:

<broken record> Ephedra was banned. Pharmaceutical over-the-counter
ephedrine was not. </broken record>

Ephedra, commonly known as mahuang, is not (I dont care what you all
profess to know)the same as ephedrine in that it doesnt 'work' the
same. Otherwise everyone would be in the cold medicine aisle stocking
up on it.

You're thinking about pseudoephedrine.

FWIW, herbal ephedra contains both ephedrine and pseudoephedrine, as
well as PPA (phenylpropanolamine, aka norephedrine), the classic OTC
diet pill "secret ingredient" of the 1970s and 1980s.

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Ask anyone who has taken both (I have) and they dont begin to
compare in effectiveness. The original ECA stack was
ephedra/caffeine/aspirin, and its not longer available.

No, it was not. The original studies involved pharmaceutical
ephedrine and caffeine, known as the "Elsinore pill," which was
developed in Denmark in the early 1970s. See this 1981 abstract from
the International Journal of Obesity:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=7228474
(http://tinyurl.com/4l275)

Herbal supplements containing ephedra and caffeine didn't appear until
the mid 1980s, and production increased in the early 1990s when
supplement companies started taking advantage of the federal dietary
supplement provisions which allowed them to get around the limitations
on sales and labeling that could be imposed due to ephedrine's legal
status as a drug. And if you Google MFW back to the mid-1990s, you'll
find that nearly all references were to ephedrine, not ephedra.

--

JMW
http://www.rustyiron.net

joni said:

Delenn said:

She was providing a necessary MFW service. Someone has to assert
something stupid so that the people who know better will bother to

chime

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in with the right answer.

Know better? Oh you mean the blowfarts on this board? Knowledge means
nothing if people dont share it and make fun of people instead.

Now you're getting the hang of it Joni!! ;o)

Have a great Easter weekend - I am!! ;o)

TFIGF!!

joni said:

Delenn said:

She was providing a necessary MFW service. Someone has to assert
something stupid so that the people who know better will bother to

chime

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in with the right answer.

Know better? Oh you mean the blowfarts on this board? Knowledge means
nothing if people dont share it and make fun of people instead.

The OP got a number of knowledgeable responses. Not from you, however.

You apparently believe that generously offering wrong advice is a
positive attribute. It must aid your self-esteem, as you so frequently
offer, most generously, wrong advice.

<<David>>

joni said:

The original ECA stack was
ephedra/caffeine/aspirin,

Wrong. Ephedrine, not ephedra

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and its not longer available.

Wrong. Get a clue here Joni, you're wrong. The implication is that you
should stop defending your ignorance and learn what people are talking
about.

Or not.

Delenn

joni said:

Delenn said:

She was providing a necessary MFW service. Someone has to assert
something stupid so that the people who know better will bother to

chime

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in with the right answer.

Know better? Oh you mean the blowfarts on this board? Knowledge means
nothing if people dont share it and make fun of people instead.

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I'm just relieved that someone else took over the job.

Stressful moment eh? You should really have a life.

Please advise on how to achieve that. I've got three kids in three
different schools (none of whom have buses), a husband, a dog, a cat, a
bird, a decrepit house, employees, 329 clients (108 of which are hoping
to suck the life out of me in the next 22 days) and I'm training for a
triathlon in my spare time. Oh, and it's Easter Week with social and
family occasions that I'm enlisted to cook for.

Please advise: what do you mean by "have a life" and how should I attend
to this goal?

Excuse me, but it's time for me to go take my stack.

Delenn, who scheduled a haircut for 7 am on Saturday

In article <[email hidden]>,

joni said:

David Cohen said:

<broken record> Ephedra was banned. Pharmaceutical over-the-counter
ephedrine was not. </broken record>

Ephedra, commonly known as mahuang, is not (I dont care what you all
profess to know)the same as ephedrine in that it doesnt 'work' the
same.

How so?

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Otherwise everyone would be in the cold medicine aisle stocking
up on it.

That's your proof? You do realize the majority of studies that found
weight loss with ephedrine used the very form found in cold medicine and
not what is found in OTC supps?

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Ask anyone who has taken both (I have) and they dont begin to
compare in effectiveness.

I see science is not a strong point for you eh?

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The original ECA stack was
ephedra/caffeine/

Ephedrine HCL and caffeine

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aspirin,

Nope.

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and its not longer available.

Re think your position. It's incorrect.

--
Will Brink @ http://www.brinkzone.com/

In article <[email hidden]>,

ted said:

joni said:

ted said:

Are there any potential risks or serious side effects of going on the
stack while taking Celexa or other SSRIs? I know of the dangers with
MAOIs and some other drugs, however have found nothing of interest on
this topic and was wondering if anyone knew.
I have used ECA before - however not while I was on Celexa which I am
currently taking. I have noticed it is more difficult for me to lose
weight while taking the drug which is a shame because it seems to

have

Quoted message said:

solved my "nervous stomach" issues which were a tremendous nusiance.

ECA= ephedra/caffeine/aspirin ...

I'm proud of you for knowing that.

Too bad she is wrong.

--
Will Brink @ http://www.brinkzone.com/