eBay: Is this for real?

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Looks for real... there are a couple on the web priced around $55
- $60...

IF anyone actually collects this stuff I'll have to go digging through my moms attic and garage...

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Stock Equipment on Schwinn Paramount P-15, circa 1974. Everything else including front derailleur
was Campy.

- Don Gillies San Diego, CA

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Shimano Crane (dura-ace precursor):

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Stock Equipment on Schwinn Paramount P-15, circa 1974. Everything else including front derailleur
was Campy.

The Paramount P-15 (15-speed) in the late 1960's came with a Campy Rally, and in the early 1970's
came with a long-cage Shimano Crane GS derailleur, which had a sort of "goofy" looking series of
shrinking holes descending from lower pivot to the lower jockey wheel.

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I doubt that the crane derailleur ever came in a Dura Ace box. You can see from the picture that it
doesn't fit into that box. If anything that box is for a Crane GS model. There was never a "Crane"
grouppo. Crane was the highest quality rear derailleur offered by Shimano in the early 1970's.
Shimano's marketing never reached the midwest and we all thought it was cheap junk and so I
converted my P-15 into a P-10 by removing the inner chainring and purchasing a Nuovo Record
derailleur to replace the Shimano Crane.

The crane has an enormous cage, much much larger than a dura ace, and so is probably better for
ultra-wide gearing setups than dura ace.

In the early 1970's Shimano was selling nothing but low-quality bicycle parts. Starting in the
middle of the decade they introduced Dura Ace, and then a few years later, Shimano 600 (which
has now been renamed Ultegra), and in the early 1980's came the 105 group, mainly for the
triathlete market.

- Don Gillies San Diego, CA

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In the early 1970's Shimano was selling nothing but low-quality bicycle parts. Starting in the
middle of the decade they introduced Dura Ace, and then a few years later, Shimano 600 (which
has now been renamed Ultegra), and in the early 1980's came the 105 group, mainly for the
triathlete market.

So, what's in that box is probably a unit that was made before the packaging, and then reboxed
later? That would make sense.

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Shimano Crane (dura-ace precursor): Stock Equipment on Schwinn Paramount P-15, circa 1974.
Everything else including front derailleur was Campy.

"Donald Gillies" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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[email hidden] (Donald Gillies) writes: The Paramount P-15 (15-speed) in the late 1960's came
with a Campy Rally, and in the early 1970's came with a long-cage Shimano Crane GS derailleur,
which had a sort of "goofy" looking series of shrinking holes descending from lower pivot to the
lower jockey wheel.

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I doubt that the crane derailleur ever came in a Dura Ace box. You can see from the picture that
it doesn't fit into that box. If anything that box is for a Crane GS model. There was never a
"Crane" grouppo. Crane was the highest quality rear derailleur offered by Shimano in the early
1970's. Shimano's marketing never reached the midwest and we all thought it was cheap junk and so
I converted my P-15 into a P-10 by removing the inner chainring and purchasing a Nuovo Record
derailleur to replace the Shimano Crane.

The crane has an enormous cage, much much larger than a dura ace, and so is probably better for
ultra-wide gearing setups than dura ace.

In the early 1970's Shimano was selling nothing but low-quality bicycle parts. Starting in the
middle of the decade they introduced Dura Ace, and then a few years later, Shimano 600 (which
has now been renamed Ultegra), and in the early 1980's came the 105 group, mainly for the
triathlete market.

- Don Gillies San Diego, CA

The Paramounts of the sixties used a Campagnolo GranTurismo - a big boat anchor of chromed steel -
before the Crane. The Rally is late-seventies with a Record body and then in the eighties a much
better dual-pivot-spring model that looked a lot like a . . . Crane!

Some of that last paragraph is a bit loose. . .
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Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org Open every day since 1 April, 1971

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I doubt that the crane derailleur ever came in a Dura Ace box. You can see from the picture that
it doesn't fit into that box.

Last week I saw a Crane in a Dura Ace box at the LBS. California not New Jersey, so I believe it's
not the item on eBay.

Odd, I thought.

Now I realize - probably somebody upgraded to Dura Ace and put the old piece in the new box.