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  1. For the past couple of months, a scammer has been listing new high-end
    bikes for sale on eBay at steep discounts. Originally this was being
    done using hijacked user IDs. At first, the hijacked user ID was
    changed to "akron_bike" with a numeric suffix, then "secom_bike", and
    for the past few days there have been unchanged hijacked user IDs and
    some zero-feedback new IDs. Today, the listings that I strongly
    suspect are from the same fraudster are in a new format; the
    background has been changed, the text has been changed, the photos now
    appear to be taken direct drom the manufacturers' publications, the
    listings show 2005 models instead of 2004, and they're not as
    prolific. They still bear the telltale signs of fraud, though; the
    bidder ID is private, the text instructs the buyer to contact the
    seller *before* bidding to obtain the bike at a "buy it now" price
    despite the fact that there is no Buy It Now feature in the listing,
    the seller has a zero feedback, the listing details do not make any
    potentially safe method of payment available, and the price for the
    product is well below dealer cost for an item that could not possibly
    be obtained for that amount. Here's just one of the listings:

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2292907864

    I will note also that when I first became aware of these listings, the
    claimed location of the supposed seller was in California, but that
    has now been shifted to the UK. The listing text now states "Escrow
    accepted", but the listing details do not; even that escrow is likely
    to be fake.

    Buyers beware.
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  2. Also, beware of the sellers contacting the bidders through Ebay to sell
    bikes. Another tipoff is that "all" sizes are available. Here is a suspect
    one (hijacked id or otherwise)
    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5541884727

    Buyer beware!

    "Werehatrack" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    For the past couple of months, a scammer has been listing new high-end
    bikes for sale on eBay at steep discounts. Originally this was being
    done using hijacked user IDs. At first, the hijacked user ID was
    changed to "akron_bike" with a numeric suffix, then "secom_bike", and
    for the past few days there have been unchanged hijacked user IDs and
    some zero-feedback new IDs. Today, the listings that I strongly
    suspect are from the same fraudster are in a new format; the
    background has been changed, the text has been changed, the photos now
    appear to be taken direct drom the manufacturers' publications, the
    listings show 2005 models instead of 2004, and they're not as
    prolific. They still bear the telltale signs of fraud, though; the
    bidder ID is private, the text instructs the buyer to contact the
    seller *before* bidding to obtain the bike at a "buy it now" price
    despite the fact that there is no Buy It Now feature in the listing,
    the seller has a zero feedback, the listing details do not make any
    potentially safe method of payment available, and the price for the
    product is well below dealer cost for an item that could not possibly
    be obtained for that amount. Here's just one of the listings:

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2292907864

    I will note also that when I first became aware of these listings, the
    claimed location of the supposed seller was in California, but that
    has now been shifted to the UK. The listing text now states "Escrow
    accepted", but the listing details do not; even that escrow is likely
    to be fake.

    Buyers beware.
    --
    Typoes are a feature, not a bug.
    Some gardening required to reply via email.
    Words processed in a facility that contains nuts.

  3. I am curious as to why you suspect this Cervelo P3 is being sold from an
    eBay ID that was hijacked? Other than the fact that the seller mentions a
    picture that is not shown and the price for shipping and insurance is too
    low for what it would be for a complete bike to be shipped.

    Usually, the fraudulant ads are pretty easy to spot -- but this one seems
    mostly resonable to me.

    BTW, am I correct in assuming that the only way that these people can hijack
    an eBay users account is by phishing for the information?

    The whole problem with eBay scammers appears to be on the rise and the
    hijacked accounts make me especailly concerned. How are you supposed to
    know if you are dealing with the real person or not?

    Best regards.
    -Keith

    "dT" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Also, beware of the sellers contacting the bidders through Ebay to sell
    bikes. Another tipoff is that "all" sizes are available. Here is a


    suspect

    Quoted message said:

    one (hijacked id or otherwise)
    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5541884727

    Buyer beware!

  4. Quoted message said:

    Subject: Re: Ebay fraudster changing tactics?
    From: "D. Keith Arbuckle" [email hidden]
    Date: 12/10/2004 8:47 A.M. Pacific Standard Time
    Message-id: <[email hidden]>


    [Snipped]

    Quoted message said:

    The whole problem with eBay scammers appears to be on the rise and the
    hijacked accounts make me especailly concerned. How are you supposed to
    know if you are dealing with the real person or not?

    Best regards.
    -Keith

    The best thing to do is send an email and ask specific questions. The fishy
    response to basic questions usually reveals the scammer. I've noticed the same
    scammer claiming to be shutting down his bike shop. At one point he claimed to
    have had a shop someplace where I had lived, except that the shop never existed
    in the first place.

    Josh

  5. I suspect it was a fraud because of the way he answered my questions ("I
    have the size you want, it's a P3 Carbon"😉, his eagerness to go forward with
    the transaction, his disappearance when I asked him for further proof of
    existence of the bike (picture of the bike with a the current local
    newspaper), etc.

    "D. Keith Arbuckle" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I am curious as to why you suspect this Cervelo P3 is being sold from an
    eBay ID that was hijacked? Other than the fact that the seller mentions a
    picture that is not shown and the price for shipping and insurance is too
    low for what it would be for a complete bike to be shipped.

    Usually, the fraudulant ads are pretty easy to spot -- but this one seems
    mostly resonable to me.

    BTW, am I correct in assuming that the only way that these people can


    hijack

    Quoted message said:

    an eBay users account is by phishing for the information?

    The whole problem with eBay scammers appears to be on the rise and the
    hijacked accounts make me especailly concerned. How are you supposed to
    know if you are dealing with the real person or not?

    Best regards.
    -Keith

    "dT" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Also, beware of the sellers contacting the bidders through Ebay to sell
    bikes. Another tipoff is that "all" sizes are available. Here is a


    suspect

    Quoted message said:

    one (hijacked id or otherwise)
    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5541884727

    Buyer beware!

  6. Possible tips..........

    1) ALL feedback has NOTHING to do with cycling
    2) only charging $7 for shipping a bike??
    3) Insurance is ONLY $1.50 more for a $1300+ bike??

    Things that make you go "hhuummmmmm.."

    On 12/10/04 8:47 AM, in article
    [email hidden], "D. Keith Arbuckle"

    Quoted message said:

    I am curious as to why you suspect this Cervelo P3 is being sold from an
    eBay ID that was hijacked? Other than the fact that the seller mentions a
    picture that is not shown and the price for shipping and insurance is too
    low for what it would be for a complete bike to be shipped.

    Usually, the fraudulant ads are pretty easy to spot -- but this one seems
    mostly resonable to me.

    BTW, am I correct in assuming that the only way that these people can hijack
    an eBay users account is by phishing for the information?

    The whole problem with eBay scammers appears to be on the rise and the
    hijacked accounts make me especailly concerned. How are you supposed to
    know if you are dealing with the real person or not?

    Best regards.
    -Keith

    "dT" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Also, beware of the sellers contacting the bidders through Ebay to sell
    bikes. Another tipoff is that "all" sizes are available. Here is a


    suspect

    Quoted message said:

    one (hijacked id or otherwise)
    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5541884727

    Buyer beware!

  7. You're right. I thought of those things too. He then offered a brand new
    P3 carbon in my size for $1800. Yea right!

    I think the Ebay ID was hijacked.

    dt

    "Steve" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Possible tips..........

    1) ALL feedback has NOTHING to do with cycling
    2) only charging $7 for shipping a bike??
    3) Insurance is ONLY $1.50 more for a $1300+ bike??

    Things that make you go "hhuummmmmm.."

    On 12/10/04 8:47 AM, in article
    [email hidden], "D. Keith Arbuckle"

    Quoted message said:

    I am curious as to why you suspect this Cervelo P3 is being sold from an
    eBay ID that was hijacked? Other than the fact that the seller mentions


    a

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    picture that is not shown and the price for shipping and insurance is


    too

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    low for what it would be for a complete bike to be shipped.

    Usually, the fraudulant ads are pretty easy to spot -- but this one


    seems

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    mostly resonable to me.

    BTW, am I correct in assuming that the only way that these people can


    hijack

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    an eBay users account is by phishing for the information?

    The whole problem with eBay scammers appears to be on the rise and the
    hijacked accounts make me especailly concerned. How are you supposed to
    know if you are dealing with the real person or not?

    Best regards.
    -Keith

    "dT" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Also, beware of the sellers contacting the bidders through Ebay to sell
    bikes. Another tipoff is that "all" sizes are available. Here is a


    suspect

    Quoted message said:

    one (hijacked id or otherwise)
    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5541884727

    Buyer beware!


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