Eating more beans can prevent cancer?

qhbccf said:

See also this topic at:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med/

When your consumption of unsaturated fatty acids, especially
polyunsaturated one, reaches a certain point, cancer rates go up
significantly. This has been known for over 15 years now. Avoid
pro-growth, stress-inducing substances means that consuming beans are
not necessary. In fact, if you eat the wrong beans, or prepare them
the wrong way, you can do great harm to your body, due to
anti-nutritive factors. Also, peanuts, which are legumes, contain
lectins that have been found to be quite atherogenic, which is
something that is old news to researchers such as myself, but the
mainstream media has not covered this much, but instead has touted
peanuts (or even worse, peanut oil) as "good" because it is a
"monounsaturated fat." In reality, these abstract categories, which
were invented so that nutritionists could define an academic "turf,"
are more misleading and harmful than helpful. When scientists actually
looked at the molecules in peanuts, they found the lectins to be a
major problem, but the tiny pebble of truth, that is, that deitary
monounsaturated fatty acids are generally not as unhealthy as
polyunsaturated ones (except for erucic acid, which is only found in
large amounts in rapeseed oil) has been shoved down the public's
throats, while the larger, more useful truth, that is, that one should
avoid very stressful items like highly unsaturated fat sources, is
hardly ever discussed, even though the evidencee at this point is so
overwhelming one could hardly imagine a better scientific case ever
being made in the field of "nutritional science."

Just curious, is there a difference between raw and baked peanuts
regarding the atherogenic aspect?
beni.

Hi,
Peanuts and their oil are only atherogenic in rabbits on a hi
cholesterol diet. They are used as a heart disease model because their
system can not eliminate choelesterol.

Thomas

Sure you don't mean guinea pigs? I have been told ginea pigs are the only
animals that can have cholesterol problems other than humans. They also are the
only animals that cannot produce their own Vit C

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Hi,
Peanuts and their oil are only atherogenic in rabbits on a hi
cholesterol diet. They are used as a heart disease model because their
system can not eliminate choelesterol.

Thomas

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Pizza Girl. said:

Sure you don't mean guinea pigs? I have been told ginea pigs are the only
animals that can have cholesterol problems other than humans. They
also are the only animals that cannot produce their own Vit C

Not so. Most primates, including all apes and monkeys, do not produce
their own vitamin C.

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Hi,
Peanuts and their oil are only atherogenic in rabbits on a hi
cholesterol diet. They are used as a heart disease model because their
system can not eliminate choelesterol.

Thomas

What is not so?

Better read again and think before you say "not so" and then agree with
me....LOL

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In article <1128873124.7d4c439863d762ba188f0cd3232da90d@teranews>,

Pizza Girl. said:

Sure you don't mean guinea pigs? I have been told ginea pigs are the only
animals that can have cholesterol problems other than humans. They
also are the only animals that cannot produce their own Vit C

Not so. Most primates, including all apes and monkeys, do not produce
their own vitamin C.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me."
-- Alice Roosevelt Longworth

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Hi,
Peanuts and their oil are only atherogenic in rabbits on a hi
cholesterol diet. They are used as a heart disease model because their
system can not eliminate choelesterol.

Thomas

ooops. My bad. Yes I stand corrected. terminology was a little off.
Primates and Guinea Pigs.

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What is not so?

Better read again and think before you say "not so" and then agree with
me....LOL

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In article <1128873124.7d4c439863d762ba188f0cd3232da90d@teranews>,

Pizza Girl. said:

Sure you don't mean guinea pigs? I have been told ginea pigs are the only
animals that can have cholesterol problems other than humans. They
also are the only animals that cannot produce their own Vit C

Not so. Most primates, including all apes and monkeys, do not produce
their own vitamin C.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me."
-- Alice Roosevelt Longworth

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> Hi,
> Peanuts and their oil are only atherogenic in rabbits on a hi
> cholesterol diet. They are used as a heart disease model because their
> system can not eliminate choelesterol.
>
> Thomas
>

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Hi,
Peanuts and their oil are only atherogenic in rabbits on a hi
cholesterol diet. They are used as a heart disease model because their
system can not eliminate choelesterol.

Thomas

I'm pretty sure peanuts and their oil are thought to be atherogenic in
humans, too, due to lectins.

Susan

David Wright said:

In article <1128873124.7d4c439863d762ba188f0cd3232da90d@teranews>,

Pizza Girl. said:

Sure you don't mean guinea pigs? I have been told ginea pigs are the only
animals that can have cholesterol problems other than humans. They
also are the only animals that cannot produce their own Vit C

Not so. Most primates, including all apes and monkeys, do not produce
their own vitamin C.

David
Why can't you and everyone in this thread understand:
1) that this is off-topic to people who already have cancer (ie on
alt.support.cancer) and watch your headers and quit crossposting.
2) many of the people who come to alt.support.cancer are not newsgroup savvy
and to them "strangers" are invading their safe place by crossposting. They
don't know how to "block"and I'm tired of trying to instruct each of them,
with each of their newsreaders.
Don't crosspost, please watch your headers.
Just because some idiot starts the crosspost, you don't have to (in your
reply).
Yes, I'm picking on you, because you're reportable, according to prodigy's
AUP.
Last warning,
J

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Pizza Girl. said:

What is not so?

Better read again and think before you say "not so" and then agree with
me....LOL

I didn't agree with you, pinhead. You said that guinea pigs were the
only animals that can't produce their own vitamin C. You're wrong, as
you so often are.

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In article <1128873124.7d4c439863d762ba188f0cd3232da90d@teranews>,

Pizza Girl. said:

Sure you don't mean guinea pigs? I have been told ginea pigs are the only
animals that can have cholesterol problems other than humans. They
also are the only animals that cannot produce their own Vit C

Not so. Most primates, including all apes and monkeys, do not produce
their own vitamin C.

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> Hi,
> Peanuts and their oil are only atherogenic in rabbits on a hi
> cholesterol diet. They are used as a heart disease model because their
> system can not eliminate choelesterol.
>
> Thomas
>

In article said:

David Wright said:

In article <1128873124.7d4c439863d762ba188f0cd3232da90d@teranews>,

Pizza Girl. said:

Sure you don't mean guinea pigs? I have been told ginea pigs are the only
animals that can have cholesterol problems other than humans. They
also are the only animals that cannot produce their own Vit C

Not so. Most primates, including all apes and monkeys, do not produce
their own vitamin C.

David
Why can't you and everyone in this thread understand:
1) that this is off-topic to people who already have cancer (ie on
alt.support.cancer) and watch your headers and quit crossposting.
2) many of the people who come to alt.support.cancer are not newsgroup savvy
and to them "strangers" are invading their safe place by crossposting. They
don't know how to "block"and I'm tired of trying to instruct each of them,
with each of their newsreaders.
Don't crosspost, please watch your headers.

There is nothing inherently wrong with crossposting.

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Just because some idiot starts the crosspost, you don't have to (in your
reply).

That's true.

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Yes, I'm picking on you, because you're reportable, according to prodigy's
AUP.
Last warning,

Gee, thanks. I hadn't noticed the headers on this one, and of course
you're using an antispam return address so I can't reply to you
privately.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me."
-- Alice Roosevelt Longworth

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Pizza Girl. said:

ooops. My bad. Yes I stand corrected. terminology was a little off.
Primates and Guinea Pigs.

OK. I hadn't seen this before posting my previous reply and my news
server doesn't allow me to cancel postings, even my own.

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"If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me."
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What is not so?

Better read again and think before you say "not so" and then agree with
me....LOL

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In article <1128873124.7d4c439863d762ba188f0cd3232da90d@teranews>,
Pizza Girl. <[email hidden]> wrote:
>Sure you don't mean guinea pigs? I have been told ginea pigs are the only
>animals that can have cholesterol problems other than humans. They
>also are the only animals that cannot produce their own Vit C

Not so. Most primates, including all apes and monkeys, do not produce
their own vitamin C.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me."
-- Alice Roosevelt Longworth

>
>
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>> Hi,
>> Peanuts and their oil are only atherogenic in rabbits on a hi
>> cholesterol diet. They are used as a heart disease model because their
>> system can not eliminate choelesterol.
>>
>> Thomas
>>
>
>

Hi,
The vast majority of the work is done in rabbits, not guinea
pigs.
Lectins are probably atherogenic due to their ability attach
sugars to the membranes of red blood cells and cause them to clump
together, but niether peanuts nor their oil are. Beneficial substances
predominate. Any substantial evidence to the contrary will be found
only on scaremongering websites, not respectable medical journals. (I'm
pretty sure.) Actual human evidence is scarce and mostly from large
epidemioligical studies of all nuts and peanuts grouped together. They
show a sensational benefit in cardivascular disease and mortality.
I stopped eating peanuts several years ago because of small
doubts about it's atherogenicity, larger ones about its
carcinogenicity, and the fact that other nuts could easily be
substituted. I now eat one oz/day of nuts, and some almond butter with
sesame seeds added in. When the jar gets low and the butter hard, I add
some olive oil. Sesamin may be very synergistic with vitamin E.

Thomas

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When the jar gets low and the butter hard, I add
some olive oil.

Dang. Good idea. That last bit of almond butter can be added to the gravel
driveway, though.
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Jim Chinnis Warrenton, Virginia, USA [email hidden]

Well he finally took hiw own advise and took the Big C group out while whining.

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David Wright said:

In article <1128873124.7d4c439863d762ba188f0cd3232da90d@teranews>,
Pizza Girl. <[email hidden]> wrote:
>Sure you don't mean guinea pigs? I have been told ginea pigs are the only
>animals that can have cholesterol problems other than humans. They
>also are the only animals that cannot produce their own Vit C

Not so. Most primates, including all apes and monkeys, do not produce
their own vitamin C.

David
Why can't you and everyone in this thread understand:
1) that this is off-topic to people who already have cancer (ie on
alt.support.cancer) and watch your headers and quit crossposting.
2) many of the people who come to alt.support.cancer are not newsgroup savvy
and to them "strangers" are invading their safe place by crossposting. They
don't know how to "block"and I'm tired of trying to instruct each of them,
with each of their newsreaders.
Don't crosspost, please watch your headers.

There is nothing inherently wrong with crossposting.

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Just because some idiot starts the crosspost, you don't have to (in your
reply).

That's true.

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Yes, I'm picking on you, because you're reportable, according to prodigy's
AUP.
Last warning,

Gee, thanks. I hadn't noticed the headers on this one, and of course
you're using an antispam return address so I can't reply to you
privately.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If you can't say something nice, then sit next to me."
-- Alice Roosevelt Longworth

David Wright said:

In article said:

David
Why can't you and everyone in this thread understand:
1) that this is off-topic to people who already have cancer (ie on
alt.support.cancer) and watch your headers and quit crossposting.
2) many of the people who come to alt.support.cancer are not newsgroup savvy
and to them "strangers" are invading their safe place by crossposting. They
don't know how to "block"and I'm tired of trying to instruct each of them,
with each of their newsreaders.
Don't crosspost, please watch your headers.

There is nothing inherently wrong with crossposting.

Again, David, I realize that you aren't the one starting these threads.

alt.support.cancer has a Charter which:
1) lists the "on topics"
2) lists what is or is not appropriate
Crossposting is not appropriate outside the support community. (ie newsgroups
that don't have "support" in them.
However, even that hasn't worked well, because then other "support" newsgroupers
have to read and remember what is or isn't appropriate (topics/behavior) on
alt.support.cancer.
So we were trying to keep the crossposts within the cancer community.
But that doesn't work well, because some of the breast cancer and postate cancer
posters don't like crossposts.
So it's easier for me to tell people to leave alt.support.cancer out of their
crossposts and for "crossposters" to remember to watch their headers and delete
out alt.support.cancer, isn't it?

Here's (part of) prodigy's AUP.
So in theory, each time you reply to a post, you'd have to go check
alt.support.cancer's "on topic" list and appropriate and not appropriate (lists)
before deciding whether to delete that newsgroup (from yuor reply) or not.
Isn't it just easier to delete alt.support cancer out of your replies?
I cannot ascertain which newsreader you are using, so I cannot search on how to
"view" enough hearders so that you can see which newsgroups you are replying to.
I guess you'll have to use your "Help" function if you have one.

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Please/thanks, David and everyone else.

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Well, he certainly did ask nice and did take his group out of the list when
whining about it. Most don't and cross-post it themselves...LOL

I can respect that for him.

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David Wright said:

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David
Why can't you and everyone in this thread understand:
1) that this is off-topic to people who already have cancer (ie on
alt.support.cancer) and watch your headers and quit crossposting.
2) many of the people who come to alt.support.cancer are not newsgroup

savvy

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

and to them "strangers" are invading their safe place by crossposting. They
don't know how to "block"and I'm tired of trying to instruct each of them,
with each of their newsreaders.
Don't crosspost, please watch your headers.

There is nothing inherently wrong with crossposting.

Again, David, I realize that you aren't the one starting these threads.

alt.support.cancer has a Charter which:
1) lists the "on topics"
2) lists what is or is not appropriate
Crossposting is not appropriate outside the support community. (ie newsgroups
that don't have "support" in them.
However, even that hasn't worked well, because then other "support"

newsgroupers

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have to read and remember what is or isn't appropriate (topics/behavior) on
alt.support.cancer.
So we were trying to keep the crossposts within the cancer community.
But that doesn't work well, because some of the breast cancer and postate

cancer

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posters don't like crossposts.
So it's easier for me to tell people to leave alt.support.cancer out of their
crossposts and for "crossposters" to remember to watch their headers and

delete

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out alt.support.cancer, isn't it?

Here's (part of) prodigy's AUP.
So in theory, each time you reply to a post, you'd have to go check
alt.support.cancer's "on topic" list and appropriate and not appropriate

(lists)

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before deciding whether to delete that newsgroup (from yuor reply) or not.
Isn't it just easier to delete alt.support cancer out of your replies?
I cannot ascertain which newsreader you are using, so I cannot search on how

to

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"view" enough hearders so that you can see which newsgroups you are replying

to.

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I guess you'll have to use your "Help" function if you have one.

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J

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When your consumption of unsaturated fatty acids, especially
polyunsaturated one, reaches a certain point, cancer rates go up
significantly. This has been known for over 15 years now. Avoid
pro-growth, stress-inducing substances means that consuming beans are
not necessary. In fact, if you eat the wrong beans, or prepare them
the wrong way, you can do great harm to your body, due to
anti-nutritive factors. Also, peanuts, which are legumes, contain
lectins that have been found to be quite atherogenic, which is
something that is old news to researchers such as myself, but the
mainstream media has not covered this much, but instead has touted
peanuts (or even worse, peanut oil) as "good" because it is a
"monounsaturated fat." In reality, these abstract categories, which
were invented so that nutritionists could define an academic "turf,"
are more misleading and harmful than helpful. When scientists actually
looked at the molecules in peanuts, they found the lectins to be a
major problem, but the tiny pebble of truth, that is, that deitary
monounsaturated fatty acids are generally not as unhealthy as
polyunsaturated ones (except for erucic acid, which is only found in
large amounts in rapeseed oil) has been shoved down the public's
throats, while the larger, more useful truth, that is, that one should
avoid very stressful items like highly unsaturated fat sources, is
hardly ever discussed, even though the evidencee at this point is so
overwhelming one could hardly imagine a better scientific case ever
being made in the field of "nutritional science."

want to fill me in on what this paragraph has to to with isoflavones?