Eating Disorders

(the)duckster said:

Curious about my attempts to reduce carbs/calories in my life a friend
asked me if there were any success stories of people with eating disorders
losing both weight and taming the disorder on a low carb program.

If someone has had such an experience, knows someone who has, or can point
my friend to a website/on-line support group and would be kind enough to
share it with me, feel free to email me off list. I am a great respecter
of privacy, so please don't let that be a concern.

(the)duckster

It depends on what you mean by an eating disorder, I presume you mean obesity.

I've just about given up on this newsgroup, and now spend time at www.bodybuilding.com
Despite its name, its got LOTS of advice for losing weight and ketogenic diets.

Before/after pic:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=100622

Is got a section for women too.

gtoomey

I have not heard of low carb curing anorexia.

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Curious about my attempts to reduce carbs/calories in my life a friend

asked

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me if there were any success stories of people with eating disorders

losing

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both weight and taming the disorder on a low carb program.

If someone has had such an experience, knows someone who has, or can point
my friend to a website/on-line support group and would be kind enough to
share it with me, feel free to email me off list. I am a great respecter
of privacy, so please don't let that be a concern.

(the)duckster

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Gregory Toomey said:

(the)duckster said:

Curious about my attempts to reduce carbs/calories in my life a friend
asked me if there were any success stories of people with eating disorders
losing both weight and taming the disorder on a low carb program.

If someone has had such an experience, knows someone who has, or can point
my friend to a website/on-line support group and would be kind enough to
share it with me, feel free to email me off list. I am a great respecter
of privacy, so please don't let that be a concern.

(the)duckster

It depends on what you mean by an eating disorder, I presume you mean
obesity.

Obesity is not an eating disorder. It is a condition which can be
caused by many different things.

Compulsive overeating is an eating disorder, as is bulimia and anorexia.

Priscilla

On Wed, 5 Oct 2005, Priscilla H. Ballou wrote:

;In article <[email hidden]>,
; Gregory Toomey <[email hidden]> wrote:
;
;> (the)duckster wrote:
;>
;> > Curious about my attempts to reduce carbs/calories in my life a friend
;> > asked me if there were any success stories of people with eating disorders
;> > losing both weight and taming the disorder on a low carb program.
;> >
;> > If someone has had such an experience, knows someone who has, or can point
;> > my friend to a website/on-line support group and would be kind enough to
;> > share it with me, feel free to email me off list. I am a great respecter
;> > of privacy, so please don't let that be a concern.
;> >
;> > (the)duckster
;>
;> It depends on what you mean by an eating disorder, I presume you mean
;> obesity.
;
;Obesity is not an eating disorder. It is a condition which can be
;caused by many different things.
;
;Compulsive overeating is an eating disorder, as is bulimia and anorexia.
;

Before I started low carbing, I thought I had an eating disorder. I
couldn't make myself stick to a WOE long term and I had episodes of
compulsive eating.

Once I started low carbing, those problems pretty much went away. The more
I've read about seriously hypocaloric dieting, the more I realize that
what was disordered was the eating plans I was trying to stick to.

Eating adequate amounts of food, especially protein and vegetables makes
it possible for me to stick to this plan long term without having to have
enormous self-discipline.

Martha

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Gregory Toomey said:

(the)duckster said:

Curious about my attempts to reduce carbs/calories in my life a friend
asked me if there were any success stories of people with eating

disorders

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losing both weight and taming the disorder on a low carb program.

If someone has had such an experience, knows someone who has, or can

point

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my friend to a website/on-line support group and would be kind enough

to

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share it with me, feel free to email me off list. I am a great

respecter

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of privacy, so please don't let that be a concern.

(the)duckster

It depends on what you mean by an eating disorder, I presume you mean
obesity.

Obesity is not an eating disorder. It is a condition which can be
caused by many different things.

Compulsive overeating is an eating disorder, as is bulimia and anorexia.

Priscilla

This one goes by NES night eating syndrome. I googled it and it's a rather
odd thing, not quite classed as an eating disorder, but clearly not normal
behavior.

I would think (since the craving is mainly for sugar and high carb foods),
that removing them as much as possible from the diet would at some point
help curb the compulsion.

The strangest thing, of course, is the sleepwalking(?) and eating. I
remember as a child my parents had to put high locks on the door because my
younger sister walked in her sleep and took several nocturnal walks before
the locks.

(the)duckster

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This one goes by NES night eating syndrome. I googled it and it's a

rather

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odd thing, not quite classed as an eating disorder, but clearly not normal
behavior.

I thought that was classified as a sleep disorder.

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No Husband Has Ever Been Shot While Doing The Dishes

My thoughts on NES are as follows:

If a person depletes their liver's glycogen stores through exercise and
insufficient carb intake, they may engage in night eating.

I went to a nutrition seminar once, taught by a guy who had done a
fitness marathon (24-hours straight exercise). He said for two weeks
following his 24-hour fitness marathon he woke up every 2-3 hours
during the night to eat. It might seem counterintuitive, like after all
that exercise you would sleep like a baby. Not so,

Bottom line: this behavior could be purely physiological and not
psychological. Or it could be both.

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This one goes by NES night eating syndrome. I googled it and it's a

rather

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odd thing, not quite classed as an eating disorder, but clearly not

normal

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behavior.

I thought that was classified as a sleep disorder.

Not from what I have been able to glean from googles. After reading about
it, I seem to remember that some years back Oprah did a story on it. Had
videotaped guests "in the act". The thing I remember most about the show
now was the look on their faces. It was sad, actually.

Funny thing, food. Here in America, the land of plenty, we're stuffing
rather than starving ourselves to death.

(the)duckster

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This one goes by NES night eating syndrome. I googled it and it's a

rather

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odd thing, not quite classed as an eating disorder, but clearly not

normal

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behavior.

I thought that was classified as a sleep disorder.

Not from what I have been able to glean from googles. After reading about
it, I seem to remember that some years back Oprah did a story on it. Had
videotaped guests "in the act". The thing I remember most about the show
now was the look on their faces. It was sad, actually.

Funny thing, food. Here in America, the land of plenty, we're stuffing
rather than starving ourselves to death.

(the)duckster

FYI, night eating is classified on the International Classification
of Sleep Disorders as a "Extrinsic Sleep Disorder" and a "dyssomnia":

http://www.uni-marburg.de/sleep/enn/database/asdadefs/welcome.htm

I've helped treat a few cases of it actually, when I did a rotation
at a medical sleep center as part of my clinical training.

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> This one goes by NES night eating syndrome. I googled it and it's a
rather
> odd thing, not quite classed as an eating disorder, but clearly not

normal

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> behavior.

I thought that was classified as a sleep disorder.

Not from what I have been able to glean from googles. After reading

about

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it, I seem to remember that some years back Oprah did a story on it.

Had

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videotaped guests "in the act". The thing I remember most about the

show

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now was the look on their faces. It was sad, actually.

Funny thing, food. Here in America, the land of plenty, we're stuffing
rather than starving ourselves to death.

(the)duckster

FYI, night eating is classified on the International Classification
of Sleep Disorders as a "Extrinsic Sleep Disorder" and a "dyssomnia":

http://www.uni-marburg.de/sleep/enn/database/asdadefs/welcome.htm

I've helped treat a few cases of it actually, when I did a rotation
at a medical sleep center as part of my clinical training.

Well that's most interesting. Especially the part about children doing it,
yet stopping after weaning.

Now that I've done some snooping I've run into a couple of adults who
sheepishly admit to doing this. The food consumed in sleep is amazing.
Sleeping pills don't seem to do it for them. They bust right thru the
snoozies and in a half state between dreaming and dining, they rip the
kitchen apart.

I can see it tho being considered a sleep disorder. But if sleeping pills
don't work, how to treat?

(the)duckster

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I've helped treat a few cases of it actually, when I did a rotation
at a medical sleep center as part of my clinical training.

Hi Dr. Ernie,

How did you treat NES? I'm very interested in finding a cure.

Many thanks,
wd

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I've helped treat a few cases of it actually, when I did a rotation
at a medical sleep center as part of my clinical training.

Hi Dr. Ernie,

How did you treat NES? I'm very interested in finding a cure.

Many thanks,
wd

Behaviorally (as I'm a PhD doc, not an MD). I understand there's a
gamut of pharmacological interventions that can be tried, from dopamine
agonists to opiates to sedatives. If I remember correctly, one case I
followed was being successfully treated with low-dose benzodiazapines.

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From what I understand there is no cure for this, except age in some

cases (such as juveniles who sometimes age out of it).

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workdramas said:

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I've helped treat a few cases of it actually, when I did a rotation
at a medical sleep center as part of my clinical training.

Hi Dr. Ernie,

How did you treat NES? I'm very interested in finding a cure.

Many thanks,
wd

Behaviorally (as I'm a PhD doc, not an MD). I understand there's a
gamut of pharmacological interventions that can be tried, from dopamine
agonists to opiates to sedatives. If I remember correctly, one case I
followed was being successfully treated with low-dose benzodiazapines.

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From what I understand there is no cure for this, except age in some

cases (such as juveniles who sometimes age out of it).

But to your knowledge, there is no "known" cure. Only experimental ones
with anecdotal evidence as to their effectiveness, correct?

(the)duckster

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workdramas said:

> I've helped treat a few cases of it actually, when I did a rotation
> at a medical sleep center as part of my clinical training.

Hi Dr. Ernie,

How did you treat NES? I'm very interested in finding a cure.

Many thanks,
wd

Behaviorally (as I'm a PhD doc, not an MD). I understand there's a
gamut of pharmacological interventions that can be tried, from dopamine
agonists to opiates to sedatives. If I remember correctly, one case I
followed was being successfully treated with low-dose benzodiazapines.

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From what I understand there is no cure for this, except age in some

cases (such as juveniles who sometimes age out of it).

But to your knowledge, there is no "known" cure. Only experimental ones
with anecdotal evidence as to their effectiveness, correct?

I would be interested as to what those experimental cures might be...
honestly I only worked for a year in the sleep center.

However, the stuff I have read and heard seems to indicate that
particularly with this disorder, the successful treatment can vary
literally from person to person - one person might benefit from
low-dose benzos, another might only benefit from Mirapex, another might
benefit from a combination, another something completely different
(dietary modifications, sleep schedule modifications, etc).

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workdramas wrote:
> > I've helped treat a few cases of it actually, when I did a

rotation

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> > at a medical sleep center as part of my clinical training.
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> Hi Dr. Ernie,
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> How did you treat NES? I'm very interested in finding a cure.
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> Many thanks,
> wd

Behaviorally (as I'm a PhD doc, not an MD). I understand there's a
gamut of pharmacological interventions that can be tried, from

dopamine

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agonists to opiates to sedatives. If I remember correctly, one case I
followed was being successfully treated with low-dose benzodiazapines.
>From what I understand there is no cure for this, except age in some
cases (such as juveniles who sometimes age out of it).

But to your knowledge, there is no "known" cure. Only experimental ones
with anecdotal evidence as to their effectiveness, correct?

I would be interested as to what those experimental cures might be...
honestly I only worked for a year in the sleep center.

However, the stuff I have read and heard seems to indicate that
particularly with this disorder, the successful treatment can vary
literally from person to person - one person might benefit from
low-dose benzos, another might only benefit from Mirapex, another might
benefit from a combination, another something completely different
(dietary modifications, sleep schedule modifications, etc).

You've probably read what I have. Some people have done well with the
anti-depressant Zoloft. Some do well with diet - that is eliminating sugar
and processed foods entirely. Others with sleeping pills. Combination of
all three.

Seems though since treatment varies so much from person to person and that
there doesn't seem to have been a huge study with real people, it remains an
odd quirk at best.

I appreciate your taking the time to respond. I'm passing comments along to
my friend as they come in hopes they will be helpful.

(the)duckster