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  1. I've tried low-carb a number of times, but never really got a chance
    to give it a run long-term because of clinical depression/rapid
    cycling. I've never had any trouble with sustainability, with a good
    overall mood, though.

    This time around the stability issue is addressed (tegretol, geodon),
    as well as the antidepressant issue (geodon, wellbutrin). I will add
    that I was sitting at near 270 before this all started again and, for
    the first eight months or so, I had actually lost a lot of weight -on
    my own- because of anxiety. I dropped to 229 in about seven weeks
    because I simply couldn't eat enough to maintain my weight.

    Anyhow, in the meantime I've experienced what I think is a combination
    of rebound and carbohydrate cravings caused by drugs I've been put on
    in the meantime (the latter is how my psychiatrist described
    drug-induced weight gain). Of course the whole thing could be
    explained by rebound + yet another depression episode's worth of
    weight gain (tends to be 18 pounds or so for me).

    I figure the best way to handle this is -not- to 'diet' it off, but
    simply return to a way of eating that I've enjoyed before and has
    worked well for family members and let it come off on its own.
    Essentially, low-carb possibly with some low glycemic index foods
    added here and there later on.

    Gavin
    Starting at 287. On my frame: 250 semi-okay, 230 good, 212 excellent,
    195 superb. I'd be happy with either 250 or 230 in the long run.

  2. You've already got so many excuses that you'll never make it. You might as
    well quit now before you waste your time and everyone else's.

    --
    Do you ever wonder what life would be like if you'd had enough oxygen at
    birth?

    "Gavin Lewis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I've tried low-carb a number of times, but never really got a chance
    to give it a run long-term because of clinical depression/rapid
    cycling. I've never had any trouble with sustainability, with a good
    overall mood, though.

    This time around the stability issue is addressed (tegretol, geodon),
    as well as the antidepressant issue (geodon, wellbutrin). I will add
    that I was sitting at near 270 before this all started again and, for
    the first eight months or so, I had actually lost a lot of weight -on
    my own- because of anxiety. I dropped to 229 in about seven weeks
    because I simply couldn't eat enough to maintain my weight.

    Anyhow, in the meantime I've experienced what I think is a combination
    of rebound and carbohydrate cravings caused by drugs I've been put on
    in the meantime (the latter is how my psychiatrist described
    drug-induced weight gain). Of course the whole thing could be
    explained by rebound + yet another depression episode's worth of
    weight gain (tends to be 18 pounds or so for me).

    I figure the best way to handle this is -not- to 'diet' it off, but
    simply return to a way of eating that I've enjoyed before and has
    worked well for family members and let it come off on its own.
    Essentially, low-carb possibly with some low glycemic index foods
    added here and there later on.

    Gavin
    Starting at 287. On my frame: 250 semi-okay, 230 good, 212 excellent,
    195 superb. I'd be happy with either 250 or 230 in the long run.

  3. Don't pay attention to JC.

    Some prescriptions do cause weigh gain. However, I don't think the exact
    mechanism is known.

    Carb cravings are common in the early days or weeks of low carb. If you
    stick with it, they may go away.

    Read the book. (Atkins IMHO)

    Use FitDay to track things....

    "Gavin Lewis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I've tried low-carb a number of times, but never really got a chance
    to give it a run long-term because of clinical depression/rapid
    cycling. I've never had any trouble with sustainability, with a good
    overall mood, though.

    This time around the stability issue is addressed (tegretol, geodon),
    as well as the antidepressant issue (geodon, wellbutrin). I will add
    that I was sitting at near 270 before this all started again and, for
    the first eight months or so, I had actually lost a lot of weight -on
    my own- because of anxiety. I dropped to 229 in about seven weeks
    because I simply couldn't eat enough to maintain my weight.

    Anyhow, in the meantime I've experienced what I think is a combination
    of rebound and carbohydrate cravings caused by drugs I've been put on
    in the meantime (the latter is how my psychiatrist described
    drug-induced weight gain). Of course the whole thing could be
    explained by rebound + yet another depression episode's worth of
    weight gain (tends to be 18 pounds or so for me).

    I figure the best way to handle this is -not- to 'diet' it off, but
    simply return to a way of eating that I've enjoyed before and has
    worked well for family members and let it come off on its own.
    Essentially, low-carb possibly with some low glycemic index foods
    added here and there later on.

    Gavin
    Starting at 287. On my frame: 250 semi-okay, 230 good, 212 excellent,
    195 superb. I'd be happy with either 250 or 230 in the long run.

  4. Dive straight into lowcarb-atkins induction. You might want to try
    some L-Glutamine, works for some with carb, alcohol, and depression
    issues.

  5. You first.

    --
    Do you ever wonder what life would be like if you'd had enough oxygen at
    birth?

    "Ana" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Is this your only entertainment in life, to mock and belittle people? I


    am

    Quoted message said:

    new here so I don't know if you have ever posted pictures of yourself , I
    doubt it very much but if you have then please point me in the right
    direction.

    What a sad case you are.

    Ana

    "JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    You've already got so many excuses that you'll never make it. You might


    as

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    well quit now before you waste your time and everyone else's.

    --
    Do you ever wonder what life would be like if you'd had enough oxygen at
    birth?

    "Gavin Lewis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I've tried low-carb a number of times, but never really got a chance
    to give it a run long-term because of clinical depression/rapid
    cycling. I've never had any trouble with sustainability, with a good
    overall mood, though.

    This time around the stability issue is addressed (tegretol, geodon),
    as well as the antidepressant issue (geodon, wellbutrin). I will add
    that I was sitting at near 270 before this all started again and, for
    the first eight months or so, I had actually lost a lot of weight -on
    my own- because of anxiety. I dropped to 229 in about seven weeks
    because I simply couldn't eat enough to maintain my weight.

    Anyhow, in the meantime I've experienced what I think is a combination
    of rebound and carbohydrate cravings caused by drugs I've been put on
    in the meantime (the latter is how my psychiatrist described
    drug-induced weight gain). Of course the whole thing could be
    explained by rebound + yet another depression episode's worth of
    weight gain (tends to be 18 pounds or so for me).

    I figure the best way to handle this is -not- to 'diet' it off, but
    simply return to a way of eating that I've enjoyed before and has
    worked well for family members and let it come off on its own.
    Essentially, low-carb possibly with some low glycemic index foods
    added here and there later on.

    Gavin
    Starting at 287. On my frame: 250 semi-okay, 230 good, 212 excellent,
    195 superb. I'd be happy with either 250 or 230 in the long run.

  6. Is this your only entertainment in life, to mock and belittle people? I am
    new here so I don't know if you have ever posted pictures of yourself , I
    doubt it very much but if you have then please point me in the right
    direction.

    What a sad case you are.

    Ana

    "JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    You've already got so many excuses that you'll never make it. You might as
    well quit now before you waste your time and everyone else's.

    --
    Do you ever wonder what life would be like if you'd had enough oxygen at
    birth?

    "Gavin Lewis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I've tried low-carb a number of times, but never really got a chance
    to give it a run long-term because of clinical depression/rapid
    cycling. I've never had any trouble with sustainability, with a good
    overall mood, though.

    This time around the stability issue is addressed (tegretol, geodon),
    as well as the antidepressant issue (geodon, wellbutrin). I will add
    that I was sitting at near 270 before this all started again and, for
    the first eight months or so, I had actually lost a lot of weight -on
    my own- because of anxiety. I dropped to 229 in about seven weeks
    because I simply couldn't eat enough to maintain my weight.

    Anyhow, in the meantime I've experienced what I think is a combination
    of rebound and carbohydrate cravings caused by drugs I've been put on
    in the meantime (the latter is how my psychiatrist described
    drug-induced weight gain). Of course the whole thing could be
    explained by rebound + yet another depression episode's worth of
    weight gain (tends to be 18 pounds or so for me).

    I figure the best way to handle this is -not- to 'diet' it off, but
    simply return to a way of eating that I've enjoyed before and has
    worked well for family members and let it come off on its own.
    Essentially, low-carb possibly with some low glycemic index foods
    added here and there later on.

    Gavin
    Starting at 287. On my frame: 250 semi-okay, 230 good, 212 excellent,
    195 superb. I'd be happy with either 250 or 230 in the long run.

  7. Funny, last time I had (what I thought then was) unipolar depression beat
    and posted a message like that, I got an immediate response from a troll.
    Are you the new asdlc troll? I've not followed the group in a while.

    Also, I'd be interested in an enumeration of these "excuses."

    Gavin

    "JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    You've already got so many excuses that you'll never make it. You might as
    well quit now before you waste your time and everyone else's.

    --
    Do you ever wonder what life would be like if you'd had enough oxygen at
    birth?

    "Gavin Lewis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I've tried low-carb a number of times, but never really got a chance
    to give it a run long-term because of clinical depression/rapid
    cycling. I've never had any trouble with sustainability, with a good
    overall mood, though.

    This time around the stability issue is addressed (tegretol, geodon),
    as well as the antidepressant issue (geodon, wellbutrin). I will add
    that I was sitting at near 270 before this all started again and, for
    the first eight months or so, I had actually lost a lot of weight -on
    my own- because of anxiety. I dropped to 229 in about seven weeks
    because I simply couldn't eat enough to maintain my weight.

    Anyhow, in the meantime I've experienced what I think is a combination
    of rebound and carbohydrate cravings caused by drugs I've been put on
    in the meantime (the latter is how my psychiatrist described
    drug-induced weight gain). Of course the whole thing could be
    explained by rebound + yet another depression episode's worth of
    weight gain (tends to be 18 pounds or so for me).

    I figure the best way to handle this is -not- to 'diet' it off, but
    simply return to a way of eating that I've enjoyed before and has
    worked well for family members and let it come off on its own.
    Essentially, low-carb possibly with some low glycemic index foods
    added here and there later on.

    Gavin
    Starting at 287. On my frame: 250 semi-okay, 230 good, 212 excellent,
    195 superb. I'd be happy with either 250 or 230 in the long run.

  8. Thanks. I've done this quite a lot and gotten the hang of it before...
    there's really only one thing that stops me, clinical depression. Other
    than that I'm extremely tenacious--I'll stick with it.

    (search groups.google.com for my email address if you want to see how I've
    tackled low-carb in the past)

    Thank you for the encouragement.

    Gavin

    "Cubit" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Don't pay attention to JC.

    Some prescriptions do cause weigh gain. However, I don't think the exact
    mechanism is known.

    Carb cravings are common in the early days or weeks of low carb. If you
    stick with it, they may go away.

    Read the book. (Atkins IMHO)

    Use FitDay to track things....

  9. Cubit is right. And elavil is one drug which does cause wt. gain, mechanism
    not known. I have gained 10 pounds in a month, since the doc placed me on
    elavil for interstitial
    cystitis.
    However, I think I am going to be able to control it now.
    Jackie
    232/194/204

    "Cubit" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Don't pay attention to JC.

    Some prescriptions do cause weigh gain. However, I don't think the exact
    mechanism is known.

    Carb cravings are common in the early days or weeks of low carb. If you
    stick with it, they may go away.

    Read the book. (Atkins IMHO)

    Use FitDay to track things....

    "Gavin Lewis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I've tried low-carb a number of times, but never really got a chance
    to give it a run long-term because of clinical depression/rapid
    cycling. I've never had any trouble with sustainability, with a good
    overall mood, though.

    This time around the stability issue is addressed (tegretol, geodon),
    as well as the antidepressant issue (geodon, wellbutrin). I will add
    that I was sitting at near 270 before this all started again and, for
    the first eight months or so, I had actually lost a lot of weight -on
    my own- because of anxiety. I dropped to 229 in about seven weeks
    because I simply couldn't eat enough to maintain my weight.

    Anyhow, in the meantime I've experienced what I think is a combination
    of rebound and carbohydrate cravings caused by drugs I've been put on
    in the meantime (the latter is how my psychiatrist described
    drug-induced weight gain). Of course the whole thing could be
    explained by rebound + yet another depression episode's worth of
    weight gain (tends to be 18 pounds or so for me).

    I figure the best way to handle this is -not- to 'diet' it off, but
    simply return to a way of eating that I've enjoyed before and has
    worked well for family members and let it come off on its own.
    Essentially, low-carb possibly with some low glycemic index foods
    added here and there later on.

    Gavin
    Starting at 287. On my frame: 250 semi-okay, 230 good, 212 excellent,
    195 superb. I'd be happy with either 250 or 230 in the long run.

  10. Your first sentence, " I've tried low-carb a number of times, but never
    really got a chance to give it a run long-term because of clinical
    depression/rapid cycling." is an excuse.

    So any response you don't like is a troll?

    You'll never make it.

    --
    Do you ever wonder what life would be like if you'd had enough oxygen at
    birth?

    "Gavin Lewis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:7UEKc.19011$Oi5.18258@okepread07...

    Quoted message said:

    Funny, last time I had (what I thought then was) unipolar depression beat
    and posted a message like that, I got an immediate response from a troll.
    Are you the new asdlc troll? I've not followed the group in a while.

    Also, I'd be interested in an enumeration of these "excuses."

    Gavin

    "JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    You've already got so many excuses that you'll never make it. You might


    as

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    well quit now before you waste your time and everyone else's.

    --
    Do you ever wonder what life would be like if you'd had enough oxygen at
    birth?

    "Gavin Lewis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I've tried low-carb a number of times, but never really got a chance
    to give it a run long-term because of clinical depression/rapid
    cycling. I've never had any trouble with sustainability, with a good
    overall mood, though.

    This time around the stability issue is addressed (tegretol, geodon),
    as well as the antidepressant issue (geodon, wellbutrin). I will add
    that I was sitting at near 270 before this all started again and, for
    the first eight months or so, I had actually lost a lot of weight -on
    my own- because of anxiety. I dropped to 229 in about seven weeks
    because I simply couldn't eat enough to maintain my weight.

    Anyhow, in the meantime I've experienced what I think is a combination
    of rebound and carbohydrate cravings caused by drugs I've been put on
    in the meantime (the latter is how my psychiatrist described
    drug-induced weight gain). Of course the whole thing could be
    explained by rebound + yet another depression episode's worth of
    weight gain (tends to be 18 pounds or so for me).

    I figure the best way to handle this is -not- to 'diet' it off, but
    simply return to a way of eating that I've enjoyed before and has
    worked well for family members and let it come off on its own.
    Essentially, low-carb possibly with some low glycemic index foods
    added here and there later on.

    Gavin
    Starting at 287. On my frame: 250 semi-okay, 230 good, 212 excellent,
    195 superb. I'd be happy with either 250 or 230 in the long run.

  11. Ana said:

    Is this your only entertainment in life, to mock and belittle people?

    Pardon me for yelling, but PLEASE STOP FEEDING THE TROLL. He doesn't
    deserve our attention.

    ..:. Craig

  12. A troll is (quoting from wikipedia):

    --
    A post (on a newsgroup, or other forum) thought to be intended to incite
    controversy or conflict or cause annoyance or offense, or a person who posts
    these.

    A troll's reactions to being identified as a troll can vary widely depending
    on the forum in which the exchange takes place. A person unjustly accused of
    being a troll may be hurt and express indignation. A troll will sometimes
    react with verbal abuse, raising the stakes with inflammatory remarks
    maligning the motivation of the accuser.
    --

    So by attacking people who appear weak (I am not--you misperceived me), you
    incite plenty of controversy and conflict and lower the quality of the group
    as a whole.

    I notice that when I called you a troll you reacted with flat verbal abuse
    "you first sentence is an excuse . . . you'll never make it" and certainly
    attempted to malign my motivations ("Any response _you_ don't like is a
    troll?"😉 in a rather smug way, "JC the king."

    I'm done with this thread.

    Gavin

    "JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Your first sentence, " I've tried low-carb a number of times, but never
    really got a chance to give it a run long-term because of clinical
    depression/rapid cycling." is an excuse.

    So any response you don't like is a troll?

    You'll never make it.

    --
    Do you ever wonder what life would be like if you'd had enough oxygen at
    birth?

    "Gavin Lewis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:7UEKc.19011$Oi5.18258@okepread07...

    Quoted message said:

    Funny, last time I had (what I thought then was) unipolar depression


    beat

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    and posted a message like that, I got an immediate response from a


    troll.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Are you the new asdlc troll? I've not followed the group in a while.

    Also, I'd be interested in an enumeration of these "excuses."

    Gavin

    "JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    You've already got so many excuses that you'll never make it. You


    might

    Quoted message said:

    as

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    well quit now before you waste your time and everyone else's.

    --
    Do you ever wonder what life would be like if you'd had enough oxygen


    at

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    birth?

    "Gavin Lewis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    > I've tried low-carb a number of times, but never really got a chance
    > to give it a run long-term because of clinical depression/rapid
    > cycling. I've never had any trouble with sustainability, with a


    good

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    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > overall mood, though.
    >
    > This time around the stability issue is addressed (tegretol,


    geodon),

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > as well as the antidepressant issue (geodon, wellbutrin). I will


    add

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > that I was sitting at near 270 before this all started again and,


    for

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    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > the first eight months or so, I had actually lost a lot of


    weight -on

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > my own- because of anxiety. I dropped to 229 in about seven weeks
    > because I simply couldn't eat enough to maintain my weight.
    >
    > Anyhow, in the meantime I've experienced what I think is a


    combination

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > of rebound and carbohydrate cravings caused by drugs I've been put


    on

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > in the meantime (the latter is how my psychiatrist described
    > drug-induced weight gain). Of course the whole thing could be
    > explained by rebound + yet another depression episode's worth of
    > weight gain (tends to be 18 pounds or so for me).
    >
    > I figure the best way to handle this is -not- to 'diet' it off, but
    > simply return to a way of eating that I've enjoyed before and has
    > worked well for family members and let it come off on its own.
    > Essentially, low-carb possibly with some low glycemic index foods
    > added here and there later on.
    >
    > Gavin
    > Starting at 287. On my frame: 250 semi-okay, 230 good, 212


    excellent,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
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    > 195 superb. I'd be happy with either 250 or 230 in the long run.

  13. You can try to hide from the truth but you'll still be fat.

    For life.

    --
    Now [censored]. You cannot possibly be this stupid and remember to
    breathe. You must be trolling. -- Carmen

    "Gavin Lewis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:kNYKc.25124$Oi5.5308@okepread07...

    Quoted message said:

    A troll is (quoting from wikipedia):

    --
    A post (on a newsgroup, or other forum) thought to be intended to incite
    controversy or conflict or cause annoyance or offense, or a person who


    posts

    Quoted message said:

    these.

    A troll's reactions to being identified as a troll can vary widely


    depending

    Quoted message said:

    on the forum in which the exchange takes place. A person unjustly accused


    of

    Quoted message said:

    being a troll may be hurt and express indignation. A troll will sometimes
    react with verbal abuse, raising the stakes with inflammatory remarks
    maligning the motivation of the accuser.
    --

    So by attacking people who appear weak (I am not--you misperceived me),


    you

    Quoted message said:

    incite plenty of controversy and conflict and lower the quality of the


    group

    Quoted message said:

    as a whole.

    I notice that when I called you a troll you reacted with flat verbal abuse
    "you first sentence is an excuse . . . you'll never make it" and certainly
    attempted to malign my motivations ("Any response _you_ don't like is a
    troll?"😉 in a rather smug way, "JC the king."

    I'm done with this thread.

    Gavin

    "JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Your first sentence, " I've tried low-carb a number of times, but never
    really got a chance to give it a run long-term because of clinical
    depression/rapid cycling." is an excuse.

    So any response you don't like is a troll?

    You'll never make it.

    --
    Do you ever wonder what life would be like if you'd had enough oxygen at
    birth?

    "Gavin Lewis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:7UEKc.19011$Oi5.18258@okepread07...

    Quoted message said:

    Funny, last time I had (what I thought then was) unipolar depression


    beat

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    and posted a message like that, I got an immediate response from a


    troll.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Are you the new asdlc troll? I've not followed the group in a while.

    Also, I'd be interested in an enumeration of these "excuses."

    Gavin

    "JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    > You've already got so many excuses that you'll never make it. You


    might

    Quoted message said:

    as

    Quoted message said:

    > well quit now before you waste your time and everyone else's.
    >
    > --
    > Do you ever wonder what life would be like if you'd had enough


    oxygen

    Quoted message said:

    at

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > birth?
    >
    >
    > "Gavin Lewis" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    > news:[email hidden]...
    > > I've tried low-carb a number of times, but never really got a


    chance

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    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > to give it a run long-term because of clinical depression/rapid
    > > cycling. I've never had any trouble with sustainability, with a


    good

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    Quoted message said:

    > > overall mood, though.
    > >
    > > This time around the stability issue is addressed (tegretol,


    geodon),

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > as well as the antidepressant issue (geodon, wellbutrin). I will


    add

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > that I was sitting at near 270 before this all started again and,


    for

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > the first eight months or so, I had actually lost a lot of


    weight -on

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > my own- because of anxiety. I dropped to 229 in about seven weeks
    > > because I simply couldn't eat enough to maintain my weight.
    > >
    > > Anyhow, in the meantime I've experienced what I think is a


    combination

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    > > of rebound and carbohydrate cravings caused by drugs I've been put


    on

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    > > in the meantime (the latter is how my psychiatrist described
    > > drug-induced weight gain). Of course the whole thing could be
    > > explained by rebound + yet another depression episode's worth of
    > > weight gain (tends to be 18 pounds or so for me).
    > >
    > > I figure the best way to handle this is -not- to 'diet' it off,


    but

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    > > simply return to a way of eating that I've enjoyed before and has
    > > worked well for family members and let it come off on its own.
    > > Essentially, low-carb possibly with some low glycemic index foods
    > > added here and there later on.
    > >
    > > Gavin
    > > Starting at 287. On my frame: 250 semi-okay, 230 good, 212


    excellent,

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    > > 195 superb. I'd be happy with either 250 or 230 in the long run.
    >
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  14. Quoted message said:

    From: Ana (Mon, 19 Jul 2004 00:44:01 GMT)
    MsgId: <[email hidden]>

    Is this your only entertainment in life, to mock and belittle
    people? I am new here so I don't know if you have ever posted
    pictures of yourself , I doubt it very much but if you have
    then please point me in the right direction. What a sad case
    you are.

    Without addressing anything else you said, JC has posted several pics, the
    latest just this month. http://tinyurl.com/2zjj5

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