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  1. X-posted to alt.support.diabetes and misc.health.diabetes

    This reference just appeared on my leukemia list. For
    internet and newsgroup users like us, the British Medical
    Journal has coined a new term:

    "The first generation of e-patients."

    See: bmj.bmjjournals.com7449
    /1148?etoc

    For those of us who have had problems with doctors accepting
    our knowlege of our disease, it makes very interesting
    reading. It may be worth printing it out for your next
    appointment.

    Just one of the points made:

    "The medical world view of the 20th century did not
    recognise the legitimacy of lay medical competence and
    autonomy. Its metrics, research methods, and cultural
    vocabulary are poorly suited to studying this emerging
    field. Something akin to a major system upgrade in our
    thinking is needed, a new cultural operating system for
    health care in which e-patients can be recognised as a
    valuable new type of renewable resource—managing much of
    their own care, providing care for others, helping
    professionals improve the quality of their services, and
    participating in collaborations between patients and
    professionals."

    read the full article - very interesting.

    Cheers, Alan, T2 d&e, Australia. Remove weight and
    carbs to email.
    --
    Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.

  2. Thanks Alan, I sent a copy to the other newsgroup I belong to KidsRSpecial.
    Newsgroup/support for parents with children with disabilities.
    Ira
    "Alan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    X-posted to alt.support.diabetes and misc.health.diabetes

    This reference just appeared on my leukemia list. For
    internet and newsgroup users like us, the British Medical
    Journal has coined a new term:

    "The first generation of e-patients."

    See: bmj.bmjjournals.com7449
    /1148?etoc

    For those of us who have had problems with doctors
    accepting our knowlege of our disease, it makes very
    interesting reading. It may be worth printing it out for
    your next appointment.

    Just one of the points made:

    "The medical world view of the 20th century did not
    recognise the legitimacy of lay medical competence and
    autonomy. Its metrics, research methods, and cultural
    vocabulary are poorly suited to studying this emerging
    field. Something akin to a major system upgrade in our
    thinking is needed, a new cultural operating system for
    health care in which e-patients can be recognised as a
    valuable new type of renewable resource-managing much of
    their own care, providing care for others, helping
    professionals improve the quality of their services, and
    participating in collaborations between patients and
    professionals."

    read the full article - very interesting.

    Cheers, Alan, T2 d&e, Australia. Remove weight and carbs
    to email.
    --
    Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.

  3. Hi Alan:

    Quoted message said:

    X-posted to alt.support.diabetes and misc.health.diabetes

    the British Medical Journal has coined a new term:

    "The first generation of e-patients."

    See: bmj.bmjjournals.com7449
    /1148?etoc

    For those of us who have had problems with doctors
    accepting our knowlege of our disease, it makes very
    interesting reading.

    I have that problem with my primary physician, but I have
    one physician who thinks I know more than I do. Sometimes we
    just sort of read in between the lines on technical articles
    and after a while we pickup more and more of the
    significance of the information included.

    The e-patient is an interesting phenomena. I have tried to
    encourage more diabetics to become e-patients. It does not
    happen overnight, but I see it happening frequently in the
    few years that I have been exposed. I believe that many
    patients put limits on themselves because they are not
    willing to stretch the envelope. I'd like to think that
    people are never to old to learn.

    Unfortunately, during the time frame of my research on the
    internet some journals have become more restrictive about
    their access even on articles over a year old.

    On the other hand, some threads in newsgroups go on and on
    ad infinitum to the point where I personally can not spend
    the time wading through them. Some people seem to have to
    post to every thread and they become no more than bull
    jiving sessions.

    Frank

  4. Frank Roy said:


    On the other hand, some threads in newsgroups go on and on
    ad infinitum to the point where I personally can not spend
    the time wading through them. Some people seem to have to
    post to every thread and they become no more than bull
    jiving sessions.

    Find in most cases when threads become very long, they
    either breakup into conversations that have little to do
    with the original post or outright flames.

    BJ

  5. Frank Roy said:

    Hi Alan:

    Quoted message said:

    X-posted to alt.support.diabetes and misc.health.diabetes

    the British Medical Journal has coined a new term:

    "The first generation of e-patients."

    See: bmj.bmjjournals.com744
    9/1148?etoc

    For those of us who have had problems with doctors
    accepting our knowlege of our disease, it makes very
    interesting reading.

    I have that problem with my primary physician, but I have
    one physician who thinks I know more than I do. Sometimes
    we just sort of read in between the lines on technical
    articles and after a while we pickup more and more of the
    significance of the information included.

    The e-patient is an interesting phenomena. I have tried to
    encourage more diabetics to become e-patients. It does not
    happen overnight, but I see it happening frequently in the
    few years that I have been exposed. I believe that many
    patients put limits on themselves because they are not
    willing to stretch the envelope. I'd like to think that
    people are never to old to learn.

    Unfortunately, during the time frame of my research on the
    internet some journals have become more restrictive about
    their access even on articles over a year old.

    On the other hand, some threads in newsgroups go on and on
    ad infinitum to the point where I personally can not spend
    the time wading through them. Some people seem to have to
    post to every thread and they become no more than bull
    jiving sessions.

    Frank


    Hi Frank

    I try to encourage other diabetics to learn, whether it's
    from a support group or the net. I've mellowed a little,
    because the "I've been saved - you need to hear my message"
    born-again evangelism has diminished.

    Not because I don't think others would not benefit but
    because I found it had the oposite effect to that desired.
    And bored them to death. So I try to be a little more subtle
    now:-) But, to be honest, the advice I got as an e-patient
    for both of my afflictions had a far greater effect on my
    life and my health than that that I received from
    traditional sources. Not the least being the lifting of my
    depression as I began to understand that there were things I
    could do to help myself.

    I don't mean I didn't need the qualifed medical
    practitioners; it's the things they either didn't tell me,
    or couldn't help with, such as empathy and support or
    knowledge of what was happening with other patients and
    treatments around the world.

    The interesting thing is that my doc is honest enough to say
    that he is learning a little from me. My haemotologist is
    less enthusiastic.

    On posting, I must dig up and re-post those definitions of
    ng posters I found a while back. The ones where we recognise
    ourselves and squirm a little. As I just did.

    Cheers, Alan, T2 d&e, Australia. Remove weight and
    carbs to email.
    --
    Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.

  6. Hi Alan,

    Did you mean this list?

    winternet.comflame1.html

    Bob

    ----8<-----snip---->8----

    Quoted message said:

    On posting, I must dig up and re-post those definitions of
    ng posters I found a while back. The ones where we
    recognise ourselves and squirm a little. As I just did.

    Cheers, Alan, T2 d&e, Australia. Remove weight and carbs
    to email.
    --
    Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.

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