Dumping Crank Bros pump . . .

Mike Rocket J Squirrel said:

. . . and picking up a couple Road Morphs for our road bikes, as has
been suggested. While I'm at it I'll also get a CO2 inflater -- I've
never used one of those. I see threaded and non-threaded varieties, and
several CO2 inflaters listed at performancebike.com -- recommendations?

I like this one:

http://www.bike2build.nl/toonartikel.php?id=16366

small,
good quality non rusting materials
never let me down

Lou

On 2/26/2008 1:33 PM Lou Holtman said:

Mike Rocket J Squirrel said:

. . . and picking up a couple Road Morphs for our road bikes, as has
been suggested. While I'm at it I'll also get a CO2 inflater -- I've
never used one of those. I see threaded and non-threaded varieties, and
several CO2 inflaters listed at performancebike.com -- recommendations?

I like this one:

http://www.bike2build.nl/toonartikel.php?id=16366

small,
good quality non rusting materials
never let me down

Lou

Thanks, Lou -- looks to be the same as this one:

http://www.performancebike.com/shop/Profile.cfm?SKU=20000&item=40-2250&slitrk=search&slisearch=true

--
Mike Rocket J Squirrel

If you get one that takes non-threaded, Wal-mart and other discount stores
sell boxes of 25 cartridges pretty cheap. You can find them in the sporting
goods section near the pellet guns and air rifles.
Just my $0.02

-Todd

"Mike Rocket J Squirrel" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

. . . and picking up a couple Road Morphs for our road bikes, as has been
suggested. While I'm at it I'll also get a CO2 inflater -- I've never used
one of those. I see threaded and non-threaded varieties, and several CO2
inflaters listed at performancebike.com -- recommendations?

--
Mike Rocket J Squirrel

Mike Rocket J Squirrel said:

. . . and picking up a couple Road Morphs for our road bikes, as has been
suggested. While I'm at it I'll also get a CO2 inflater -- I've never used
one of those. I see threaded and non-threaded varieties, and several CO2
inflaters listed at performancebike.com -- recommendations?

--
Mike Rocket J Squirrel

get the non-threaded; I've used inflators for the last 15yrs+. they
work great; small, compact; and picking up new cartridges on the road
is not too hard if you're going through towns-

On 2/26/2008 3:24 PM said:

Mike Rocket J Squirrel said:

. . . and picking up a couple Road Morphs for our road bikes, as has been
suggested. While I'm at it I'll also get a CO2 inflater -- I've never used
one of those. I see threaded and non-threaded varieties, and several CO2
inflaters listed at performancebike.com -- recommendations?

--
Mike Rocket J Squirrel

get the non-threaded; I've used inflators for the last 15yrs+. they
work great; small, compact; and picking up new cartridges on the road
is not too hard if you're going through towns-

Yep, makes sense.

--
Mike Rocket J Squirrel
Carlsbad, CA - I ride slow

In article <[email hidden]>,

Mike Rocket J Squirrel said:

On 2/26/2008 1:33 PM Lou Holtman said:

Mike Rocket J Squirrel said:

. . . and picking up a couple Road Morphs for our road bikes, as has
been suggested. While I'm at it I'll also get a CO2 inflater -- I've
never used one of those. I see threaded and non-threaded varieties, and
several CO2 inflaters listed at performancebike.com -- recommendations?

I like this one:

http://www.bike2build.nl/toonartikel.php?id=16366

small,
good quality non rusting materials
never let me down

Lou

Thanks, Lou -- looks to be the same as this one:

http://www.performancebike.com/shop/Profile.cfm?SKU=20000&item=40-2250&slitrk=
search&slisearch=true

Anyone know of a pump - CO2 inflater combo pump that works
satisfactorily? There's a few out there.

rick b said:

Those inflators are described as "push to inflate" which is a good
thing. I gather that they don't need to screw onto the valve. Screw-
on inflators tend to leak a lot of CO2 during the screw-on and screw-
off process.
The cartridge also gets ice-cold when it's filling up the tube.
Inflators which surround the cartridge protect your hands. Or you can
wrap the cartridge with a sock.

rick

That's is why it never let me down. Push the inflator onto the valve
stem (it can not leak because its valve is still closed) and then push
the cartridge against the spring which opens the valve. If you let go
inflation stops immediately. If you do it with two or three bursts with
intervals of a couple of seconds there is no danger that the valve of
the tube freezes or the cartridge get so cold you burn your hand.

Lou

Mike Rocket J Squirrel said:

. . . and picking up a couple Road Morphs for our road bikes, as has been
suggested. While I'm at it I'll also get a CO2 inflater -- I've never used
one of those. I see threaded and non-threaded varieties, and several CO2
inflaters listed at performancebike.com -- recommendations?

I just retired a Road Morph. But I debated whether to get another even
though I got stranded a number of times when it failed. The features
are strong, built in guage, flex tube to the head, pseudo-floor base.
Maybe I shouldn't have expected so many years of use, 4. If I asked
for two, or if I did better maintenance, it would only have cost a
little bit more.

It pumped up *numerous* club members in all conditions, but when I had
to use it:
1. Late New England December. Flatted and couldn't pump it up because
ice had clogged the head. Passerby stopped and gave me a lift home, a
memorable moment as it was a day or so around Christmas. It would have
eventuially worked, it would have thawed provided I placed it
appropriately. I put a piece of electical tape over the head after
that. It needs a plug. Maybe it's included now, I never contacted the
company.

2.Early summer flat. Went to pump it up. No compression. The o-ring
had apparently dried and shrunk. I hadn't done any maintenance. I've
since read that you can stuff roadside grass into the tire, reseat the
bead and ride home on that. But I didn't think of it at the time and I
ended up walking the bike home. I dripped some oil into the body, it
must have breather new life into the o-ring, compression returned. I
held onto the pump, checked it every once in awhile so I wouldn't be
caught unawares again.

3. Late summer. Sand had gotten into body and I couldn't get
compression. Was near a friends house, got a lift home, Didn't need
the grass trick, missed a club ride though. Should have contacted
Topeak, but instead went to sears for o-rings, got em in plumbing.
Disassembled and rebuilt the pump. Worked fine for a good spell.

4.February 2, 2008, 32 degrees, rain, fingers are numb in the 30
seconds but I get the new tube in, bead is seated, nothing. Just
walked the bike home. Rebuild didn't hold up.

So I got a frame pump but it was a hard decision. I love the morph,
it's got the guage, it's got power, it's easy on the valve stem. If
you don't ride in winter, salt and sand all over the place, you're
probably fine, but...

a. When you get yours, put some tape over the head(unless it now comes
with a plug).

b. If you mount it near the rear triangle, you have to wrap/seal the
handle to body area somehow/plastic to keep the sand from entering the
barrell through the plunger. Or mount it with the plunger facing down
so road debris desn't infiltrate the barrell, still may need to be
sealed. This is not a problem if the pump is top tube mounted.

c. lube the barrell occasionly, the o-ring dried out on mine early in
it's 3rd season of use.

Road Morph, great features, 2 year life.

-cp.

On 2/26/2008 3:11 PM lil'Mcgraw said:

If you get one that takes non-threaded, Wal-mart and other discount stores
sell boxes of 25 cartridges pretty cheap. You can find them in the sporting
goods section near the pellet guns and air rifles.
Just my $0.02

Out of idle curiosity: is it possible to cut threads into a non-threaded
CO2 cartridge? Say if a fellow couldn't find threaded cartridges when in
Two Nickels, Nebraska?

--
Mike Rocket J Squirrel
Carlsbad, CA

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Quoted message said:

Mike Rocket J Squirrel said:

. . . and picking up a couple Road Morphs for our road bikes, as has been
suggested. While I'm at it I'll also get a CO2 inflater -- I've never used
one of those. I see threaded and non-threaded varieties, and several CO2
inflaters listed at performancebike.com -- recommendations?

I just retired a Road Morph. But I debated whether to get another even
though I got stranded a number of times when it failed. The features
are strong, built in guage, flex tube to the head, pseudo-floor base.
Maybe I shouldn't have expected so many years of use, 4. If I asked
for two, or if I did better maintenance, it would only have cost a
little bit more.

It pumped up *numerous* club members in all conditions, but when I had
to use it:
1. Late New England December. Flatted and couldn't pump it up because
ice had clogged the head. Passerby stopped and gave me a lift home, a
memorable moment as it was a day or so around Christmas. It would have
eventuially worked, it would have thawed provided I placed it
appropriately. I put a piece of electical tape over the head after
that. It needs a plug. Maybe it's included now, I never contacted the
company.

2.Early summer flat. Went to pump it up. No compression. The o-ring
had apparently dried and shrunk. I hadn't done any maintenance. I've
since read that you can stuff roadside grass into the tire, reseat the
bead and ride home on that. But I didn't think of it at the time and I
ended up walking the bike home. I dripped some oil into the body, it
must have breather new life into the o-ring, compression returned. I
held onto the pump, checked it every once in awhile so I wouldn't be
caught unawares again.

3. Late summer. Sand had gotten into body and I couldn't get
compression. Was near a friends house, got a lift home, Didn't need
the grass trick, missed a club ride though. Should have contacted
Topeak, but instead went to sears for o-rings, got em in plumbing.
Disassembled and rebuilt the pump. Worked fine for a good spell.

4.February 2, 2008, 32 degrees, rain, fingers are numb in the 30
seconds but I get the new tube in, bead is seated, nothing. Just
walked the bike home. Rebuild didn't hold up.

So I got a frame pump but it was a hard decision. I love the morph,
it's got the guage, it's got power, it's easy on the valve stem. If
you don't ride in winter, salt and sand all over the place, you're
probably fine, but...

a. When you get yours, put some tape over the head(unless it now comes
with a plug).

b. If you mount it near the rear triangle, you have to wrap/seal the
handle to body area somehow/plastic to keep the sand from entering the
barrell through the plunger. Or mount it with the plunger facing down
so road debris desn't infiltrate the barrell, still may need to be
sealed. This is not a problem if the pump is top tube mounted.

c. lube the barrell occasionly, the o-ring dried out on mine early in
it's 3rd season of use.

Road Morph, great features, 2 year life.

a.1. If you put the tape over the head so that it also holds the threaded
ring on, the ring and rubber donut will still be there when you need them,
unlike what happened to me.
Kerry

On 2/27/2008 6:26 PM Coal Porter wrote:

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Quoted message said:

Road Morph, great features, 2 year life.

Thanks for the tips!

--
Mike Rocket J Squirrel

Mike Rocket J Squirrel said:

On 2/26/2008 3:11 PM lil'Mcgraw said:

If you get one that takes non-threaded, Wal-mart and other discount
stores sell boxes of 25 cartridges pretty cheap. You can find them in
the sporting goods section near the pellet guns and air rifles.
Just my $0.02

Out of idle curiosity: is it possible to cut threads into a non-threaded
CO2 cartridge? Say if a fellow couldn't find threaded cartridges when in
Two Nickels, Nebraska?

at 800+psi, i think trying to thread a non-threaded cartridge should
only be undertaken by those willing to perform this modification in
close proximity to their own scrotum. that way, the consequences of,
er, "unforeseen" problems benefit the wider human gene pool.

[iow, is it possible? yes. is it possible safely? no. don't do it.
buy a decent freakin' pump and you'll never need a cartridge, and better
yet, never find yourself equipped with empty cartridges in the middle of
nowhere.]

On 2/27/2008 8:14 PM jim beam said:

Mike Rocket J Squirrel said:

On 2/26/2008 3:11 PM lil'Mcgraw said:

If you get one that takes non-threaded, Wal-mart and other discount
stores sell boxes of 25 cartridges pretty cheap. You can find them in
the sporting goods section near the pellet guns and air rifles.
Just my $0.02

Out of idle curiosity: is it possible to cut threads into a non-threaded
CO2 cartridge? Say if a fellow couldn't find threaded cartridges when in
Two Nickels, Nebraska?

at 800+psi,

.... on second thought.

--
Mike Rocket J Squirrel

Quoted message said:

Anyone know of a pump - CO2 inflater combo pump that works
satisfactorily? There's a few out there.

Here's one that I'm looking at. http://shrinkify.com/15e

Mike Rocket J Squirrel said:

. . . and picking up a couple Road Morphs for our road bikes, as has been
suggested. While I'm at it I'll also get a CO2 inflater -- I've never used
one of those. I see threaded and non-threaded varieties, and several CO2
inflaters listed at performancebike.com -- recommendations?

--
Mike Rocket J Squirrel

Unless you're racing, why pay for air?

Frame pump.

/s

Scott Gordo said:

Mike Rocket J Squirrel said:

. . . and picking up a couple Road Morphs for our road bikes, as has been
suggested. While I'm at it I'll also get a CO2 inflater -- I've never used
one of those. I see threaded and non-threaded varieties, and several CO2
inflaters listed at performancebike.com -- recommendations?

--
Mike Rocket J Squirrel

Unless you're racing, why pay for air?

- faster,
- more convenient,
- you can keep your second waterbottle cage on modern frames.

Quoted message said:

Frame pump.

also good.

Lou

In article <[email hidden]>,

Mike Rocket J Squirrel said:

On 2/26/2008 1:33 PM Lou Holtman said:

Mike Rocket J Squirrel said:

. . . and picking up a couple Road Morphs for our road bikes, as has
been suggested. While I'm at it I'll also get a CO2 inflater -- I've
never used one of those. I see threaded and non-threaded varieties, and
several CO2 inflaters listed at performancebike.com -- recommendations?

I like this one:

http://www.bike2build.nl/toonartikel.php?id=16366

small,
good quality non rusting materials
never let me down

Thanks, Lou -- looks to be the same as this one:

http://www.performancebike.com/shop/Profile.cfm?SKU=20000&item=40-2250&slitrk=search&slisearch=true

How much pressure does a 12 gram cartridge put into a deflated
700x28 tire?

--
Michael Press

Scott Gordo said:

On Feb 26, 4:21 pm, Mike Rocket J Squirrel

Quoted message said:

Unless you're racing, why pay for air?

You're paying for convenience.

Mike Rocket J Squirrel said:

. . . and picking up a couple Road Morphs for our road bikes, as has been
suggested. While I'm at it I'll also get a CO2 inflater -- I've never used
one of those. I see threaded and non-threaded varieties, and several CO2
inflaters listed at performancebike.com -- recommendations?

--
Mike Rocket J Squirrel

I have and like the Proflate 16.
http://www.rei.com/OM/style/722069?cm_mmc=cse_froogle-_-datafeed-_-product-_-na&mr:trackingCode=E725A6B4-68E5-DC11-AA92-001422107090&mr:referralID=NA

For me the 12ox cartridge is really too small. The 16 is enough to
make any of my bikes rideable, and if I'm far from home on the skinny
tire ride and really want the extra PSI I can use part of a second
cartridge. Then I get to my desired 90-100 PSI and still have a bit
left in the second cylinder that I can use for the partial inflate
prior to installing tire step. I would not want one without the
ability to use part of a cartridge at a time due to the inflate a bit
to install thing.

Also, threadless cartridges all day. Way cheaper (at regular stores,
not bike shops) and easy enough to find in a pinch on a Sunday in most
areas.