dumb clothing questions

glenn said:

in feels like it'll offer little more protection than my thong.

Pics please?

glenn said:

Ok, I admit, the recommendation for the Sporthill XC running pants was a solid one and right on
and I can't wait til it turns bone chilling cold.

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HELP!!!!! Can someone tell me what to buy and where to get it from??

For starters, I'd try CampMor www.campmor.com and search for Duofold. Look at their synthetics.
That's what I did last fall to get a few more layers to shuffle around. I think I may have tried
different materials for the same type clothing (like zip mock turtlenecks). I'm tweaking from there,
but got more than enough stuff to start with. The Ironman Triathlon line that they have is usually
on the small side. At least theat was my experience, but most of their other stuff fits normally, at
least for me.

Materials that have worked for *me* include Power-Dry (my favorite), HydroDuct, and some others that
don't have their name in the label. I think one of these is Ultratec. For fleeces, I like Polartech,
which comes in 100, 200, and 300 weights. While I used light fleece my first year when it was so
cold (my first event was a tri at +1F and then it started getting cold), I haven't used it since as
I've got layers that work better for me and it hasn't been that cold.

Note that different people like different things and fits. So what works for me may not work for you
- and may not work for me when my runs get longer, but only *I* will be able to figure that out. And
what apparently works for a lot of other runners doesn't work for me.

Windstopper is a brandname of the material. It is windproof. You cannot blow through it if you try
it in the store - an REI salesman showed me that trick to separate true windstopper from some
knockoffs they had. There are some other materials called wind - something or other. Some may offer
a little wind resistance, but they are no where near the wind stopping ability of windstopper - at
least the ones I've looked at. I've only got windstopper face mask and gloves since I think they may
not breathe enough for a jacket.

As for shells, I'm still searching for the holy grail, but have become convinced that something that
will keep the weather out in the nastiest stuff won't be breathable enough for every day running. I
hope someone can prove me wrong. For the time being, I use a light, highly breathable shell with
pockets for hat/ mittens for everyday runs and pack a Marmot Precip jacket and bottom with me if I'm
going to be out long in threatening weather. It is not breathable in warmer temperatures - even with
the pit zips open - but has well designed hood and is light.

As mentioned before, for the most part, I avoid running stores (retail or online) for running
clothes. (I have bought clothes once or twice from National Running Center when I was first starting
but have since improved on those. RRS hasn't had anything to even entice me.) I do much better at
CampMor, REI, or Wal-Mart and similar stores, thanks to recommendations here. Target has been
mentioned here a number of times, but we don't have them up here. Neither FootLocker nor Sports
Authority has had anything decent for running in the stores I've been to.

Good luck. yea, I hate shopping too.

Dot

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gleen,

Check out www.mec.ca for your running needs. It's a Canadian gruppo but has some really good prices
and a wide variety of decent stuff. Give it a try.

Otherwise, stick with the Russel - can't go wrong with good ol' RA🙂 Joel "glenn" <[email hidden]>
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Y'all shamed me into buying real running clothes, and either I blew it BIGTIME, or I just wasn't
made for these times and am going back to my sweat shirt and sweat pants. Ok, I admit, the
recommendation for the Sporthill XC running pants was a solid one and right on and I can't wait
til it turns bone chilling cold. But the flimsy RRS fleece shirt that promises to keep the wind
out and warmth in feels like it'll offer little more protection than my thong. To top it off, the
$89.99 (VIP price) Nike Oregon Shell jacket, lightweight microfiber, seems like it's MAYBE good
for a minor chill. The RRS rep recommended it when I told him I wanted it as swish swish swish
free as possible. To top it off, the medium is like way too small, and the jacket barely extends
down past my waist line. Is that the style nowadays??? YEESH. Man, I'm ready to go badk to
dependable Russell Athletics. HELP!!!!! Can someone tell me what to buy and where to get it from??
I don't like all this shopping around stuff, don't like anything fancy schmantzy, normally wear a
medium for NORMAL clothes but am sort of borderline with large, so's I need and want something a
little loose. I'm in the NYC area and run in the bone chilling cold. ARE THERE ANY PERSONAL
SHOPPERS HERE? And I'm getting over RRS real fast. Thanks, ornery glenn.

glenn said:

Y'all shamed me into buying real running clothes, and either I blew it BIGTIME, or I just wasn't
made for these times and am going back to my sweat shirt and sweat pants. Ok, I admit, the
recommendation for the Sporthill XC running pants was a solid one and right on and I can't wait
til it turns bone chilling cold. But the flimsy RRS fleece shirt that promises to keep the wind
out and warmth in feels like it'll offer little more protection than my thong. To top it off, the
$89.99 (VIP price) Nike Oregon Shell jacket, lightweight microfiber, seems like it's MAYBE good
for a minor chill. The RRS rep recommended it when I told him I wanted it as swish swish swish
free as possible. To

Are you trolling, or did you actually try running in any of the clothing you purchased? Heaven
forbid that running clothing be designed to keep you warm while exercising, and a bit chilly while
loafing around. Next time try the down parka, it's perfect for that 3mph LSD.

-Dave

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For runnign clothes, I use what some call superunderwear, when it gets colder, winter tights might
be good. Same on upper body, but I really like coolmax clothing as well.

As for outer shell, I use very thin NewLine (local brand) clothing. It is windproof, including when
skydiving (180MPH). The important thing is that it is really windproof, then you can keep warm.

It is not waterproof, and I agree with someone else that there is nothing waterproof that breathes
enough. So I wait until it is not heavy rain, and then get soaked. But high tech clothes does not
get heavy, and your body can keep the water warm. When it rains it is seldom cold. In the cold it
snows, and the water proofness is not needed.

Dave Andersen said:

Next time try the down parka, it's perfect for that 3mph LSD.

It just had to be said, it was just a matter of who'd say it.

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Y'all shamed me into buying real running clothes, and either I blew it BIGTIME, or I just wasn't
made for these times and am going back to my sweat shirt and sweat pants. Ok, I admit, the
recommendation for the Sporthill XC running pants was a solid one and right on and I can't wait
til it turns bone chilling cold.

Sporthill tights rock!

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But the flimsy RRS fleece shirt that promises to keep the wind out and warmth in feels like it'll
offer little more protection than my thong. To top it off, the $89.99

Try it before you condem it. I have a some light weight shirts that keep me warm and toasty.

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(VIP price) Nike Oregon Shell jacket, lightweight microfiber, seems like it's MAYBE good for a
minor chill. The RRS rep recommended it when I told him I wanted it as swish swish swish free as
possible. To top it off, the medium is like way too small, and the jacket barely extends down past
my waist line. Is that the style nowadays???

No. You want something that will go down to your mid hips. Try a bike jacket if you are tall. Since
cyclists ride bent over the jackets tend to be longer than running jackets.

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YEESH. Man, I'm ready to go badk to dependable Russell Athletics. HELP!!!!! Can someone tell me
what to buy and where to get it from??

The correct running clothing is often a matter of wearing what works for you. If you sweat alot then
go for synthetic materials. And don't overdress as many folks do. If you feel chilly for the first
half mile you'll be fine the rest of the way. If you start out feeling warm you'll sweat and those
warm clothes will actually make you feel colder.

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I'm in the NYC area and run in the bone chilling cold. ARE THERE ANY PERSONAL SHOPPERS HERE? And
I'm getting over RRS real fast.

Go to Campmor in New Jersey. or Campmor.com They have polypropylene tops for the $30 range. Look for
the closeouts too for great deals.

My $0.02 Andy

Thanks,

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ornery glenn.

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offer little more protection than my thong. To top it off, the $89.99 (VIP price) Nike Oregon
Shell jacket, lightweight microfiber, seems like it's MAYBE good for a minor chill. The RRS rep
recommended it

You shouldn't need much. I use a lightweight jacket plus a long sleeved body hugging top (under
armour is the brand name) when the weather is at its worst. (also live near NYC) All the jacket
needs to do is protect you from windchill and/or rain.

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I don't like all this shopping around stuff, don't like anything fancy schmantzy, normally wear a
medium for NORMAL clothes but am sort of borderline with large, so's I need and want something a
little loose. I'm in the NYC area and run in the bone chilling cold. ARE THERE ANY PERSONAL
SHOPPERS HERE? And I'm getting over RRS real fast. Thanks, ornery glenn.

Are you asking for some decent retail stores for running gear ? Try Paragon sports near the corner
of Union Square and 18th or the Super Runners shop at the corner of 89th and Lexington.

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